Its hard to find. Ok it does not react to shooting or grenades. But walking in water making ripples looks great.
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Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen
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ResetEraVetVIP
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Bioshock looked stunning at launch, I played the demo on Xbox 360 and didn't know I could control the game because I thought it was still a cutscene...
GudOlRub
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Man I can't wait for VI's marketing to begin. I still vividly remember watching that 3rd trailer from IV for the first time and my jaw dropping.
Loved these shots, it feels alive even in Stills.
Although it still didn't show any "real" gameplay, a lot of it were clearly gameplay clips taken with a cinematic camera so we could see those in real time fancy new graphics, sweet driving physics and damage models for the first time. I hope we get a bit of the same vibe for VI this time around.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
yeah, the game is special. Pretty sure this field scene is what you are referring to. It was beautiful. Magical soundtrack.
What a game.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Just watched it on my 65 inch oled and the evening shots look stunning. i will probably gif them tomorrow but the lighting is very realistic. The buildings have great reflections which gives the city that edge it was lacking before. I agree the RTGI could use maybe a few more rays during day time, especially in the city, but there are plenty of next gen looking shots in that footage.
My biggest issue is the complete lack of NPCs. Japan is different from other cities in that it has a huge walking population and while I can excuse not having a lot of cars on the road in a racing game, I think the complete lack of NPCs walking around is a big mistake. They finally have a CPU that should be able to have a large NPC simulation, and they definitely have the GPU headroom seenig as how they are targeting native 4k in the 30 fps mode with no resolution scaling.
It's a very conservative upgrade on consoles. They should've tried to push more RT features in the quality mode on the xsx. Add in RTGI and reflections and drop it down to 1440p. it would look better guaranteed. But i think the PC bros will be playing the next gen version of this game.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Yeah, Crimson is doing A LOT of things right. They are pushing so many next gen features, its insane. And above all it shows. I do think its a bit too expensive on the GPU, but like you pointed out, its doing so many different things, the game was bound to be expensive.Sure, but I prefer high quality lighting with superb light bounces and decent textures, to decent lighting and high quality textures.
Overall, a game benefits more from excellent lighting. And UE can't do P.O.M at the scale of Crimson Desert (I took those while I was playing without RR btw so the game isn't even at his best):
Let alone with the same performances. CD has great physics too on a quite big scale and some MASSIVE battle (we are talking about hundreds of NPCs fighting). The water is an interesting step forward too imo but it's been shown over and over at this point ^^.
Also Lumen isn't optimal in UE5 and I've yet to see the Chaos Destruction Engine in action, Nanite is awesome tho. But no engine is without weaknesses, I guess I'm just glad to see another proprietary engine with this king of visual fidelity even if textures and interiors are indeed it's weak point. But overall I truly think it's one of the best looking game with so many features (volumetric fog and lighting, impressive distant view, excellent materials on armor, physics on every single bit of tissue in the world, thousands of object with interactivity in the open world etc...) and still runs quite well.
Some materials:
Love this game, even with it's flaws
I cant get my bricks to look like that though. Thats the one thing the game doesnt excel at. But maybe its just DLSS messing it up on my end.
xxDeadlockxx
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I'm actually referring to another one that you'll see when you progress further in the game. But yes, that's another one I have fond memories of. The game itself has several memorable moments, at least 2 or 3 more. You'll see.
GymWolf
Gold Member
Every fucking game has better ripples than BF remakeAlso, to add to the nice water discussion:
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GymWolf
Gold Member
Lets see if they can reach the highs of rift apart with this one.
Bojji
Gold Member
I thought it looked ugly in 2007, compared to other pc games. Years later I finally completed the game (remastered version) and I changed my mind - it looks ok. But only thanks to art, tech in the game was always outdated (they had some incredible water effects but rest of the presentation was well below average).
But first two bioshocks despite using ancient engine, have physical interactions with objects - something completely missing from UE3 Bioshock Infinite that is static as fuck.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
The CA is strong with this one, but man James Bond looks so good.
winjer
Gold Member
The CA is strong with this one, but man James Bond looks so good.
Yeah, that chromatic aberration and film grain looks disgusting.
Hopefully there is a toggle to turn that crap off.
Gonzito
Gold Member
The CA is strong with this one, but man James Bond looks so good.
I cant wait for this one man. I am so excited because I loved the Hitman Trilogy
Luipadre
Member
tbh i love the way they do CA and film grain in this one. CA might be a tad strong but i love the grain effect in this game. I think im gonna let these options onThe CA is strong with this one, but man James Bond looks so good.
Gonzito
Gold Member
Film grain is one of those effects I can actually live with. In some games it even adds to the atmosphere, like in Silent Hill or Mass Effect. But chromatic aberration? That effect feels like attempted murder on my eyes. Absolutely hideous. Cant stand it
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I wonder how much this will expedite game development.
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Luipadre
Member
I think subtle CA use can look good in certain games. This is definitely really strong, but in some games i actually let it on
Bojji
Gold Member
FG completely kills black level on oled screens (unless black level is lifted already) - TERRIBLE.
I mean, anyone should try playing Siren: BC (PS3), holy shit what they did there.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Pretty sure it's a matter of higher LoD not loading for some reason. What car is that?Forza Horizon 6 ground textures and look at the geometry of the exhaust pipe lol. This is not next gen sorry
And the whole map is just empty, how is this Tokyo lol
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Bitstream
Member
lol nah dude, the game just looks last gen, spare your apologies and see the truth.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
"last gen" cars already have much better geometry than that and for what I already played no car has that low level of geometry normally so I doubt it's not a lower LoD level for some reason. Look at the exhaust pipe here:
Spare us of your ignorance.
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Gonzito
Gold Member
No idea papi, it was from the digital foundry video
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Same car.
Can't find a better video but at least we can see here that it doesn't have that low poly exhaust pipe.
On the same DF video at 10:25 we can see the pipe much more "round".
Can't find a better video but at least we can see here that it doesn't have that low poly exhaust pipe.
On the same DF video at 10:25 we can see the pipe much more "round".
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PontificationEngine
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Water that wowed me recently, beyond Horizon FW on PC, was the water in Hell Is Us. That water splashes and ripples like crazy.
ResetEraVetVIP
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Looks good, just too heavy sometimes.
viveks86
Gold Member
Would like to see what those are. A lot of those building closeups were quite impressive. Their environmental assets are top notch. But those would look great even without RTGI. They looked great even in their previous game.
Some issues I spotted with their RTGI, specifically:
The building here looks nicer with a bit more visual variety, but likely a difference in ToD between platforms and not related to RTGI. But the foliage looks objectively worse, like it was transplanted from Elden Ring. No idea why that's happening as there are other areas where foliage AO looks significantly better.
Here's another one where the baked lighting actually has more directionality from the light coming in to the tunnel. RTGI looks noticeably flatter (see walls of tunnel around its mouth, especially on the right). The car's rear, however, does look correct only with RTGI
At least it looks better below. There is a nice added glow to the vegetation and cherry blossoms with RTGI:
It's subtle though and baked lighting looks just fine. With a single bounce, the biggest contribution from RTGI in this game will be under bridges or inside enclosures, like this.
But when you have RTGI in place, implementing RT emissives should be extremely cheap, if not free. And yet all we have are just traditional emissive textures with their brightness cranked up, but emit no actual light. These buildings below and its immediate surroundings should be bathed in multiple colors, yet all we get is some hand placed lights. Cyberpunk does it so well. GTA 6 does it on base console. That's a Tokyo signature look that was missed. Given it's already a PC exclusive feature, all this is surprisingly underwhelming. They could have gone wild with it as there is quite a bit of headroom on higher end GPUs
Like... what even is this? More emissive textures that don't actually light anything up. If that's a reflector, it should bounce it all around. There should be some approximation for caustics too.
And not to mention several aspects that actually look better in their previous game. The water effects, sand, even the car looks better in many light conditions imo.
Agreed, but I'm seeing some groups of large NPCs. They are either sequestered in pockets or just too far from the car to make a visual impact .
Same night scene below. See crowds on the distant left. Technically, they are there, but not filling up enough of the frame to make an impact.
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Killer8
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This is my biggest beef with the game. If you set a game on the sea then you need extremely good water rendering. If you set a game in the sand you need extremely good sand rendering. Jungle... foliage. Skyscrapers... reflections.
Most populous city on Earth = people.
Meanwhile indies are doing these crowd simulations at 60fps easily:
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Luipadre
Member
Yeah that looks a lot better
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
isnt that the same internal resolution? 4k performance is 1080p. 1440p quality is 1080p.Beyond all the bugs and lighting glitches in Outlaws, what I would like to praise is that, like in AC Shadows, lower resolutions also have great IQ.
I had to lower from 4K perf to 1440p quality and I was surprised how crisp everything still looks.
The only difference is that your tv/,monitor is upscaling that 1440p image to 4k.
i miss the hero lighting on his face! Noooooooo!
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Luipadre
Member
hell no, the 2026 version looks so much better and more natural
Bitstream
Member
Agreed, the saturated colors gave for a more energetic color palette. Now it just looks like the HDR is broken.
Alex11
Member
I think the internal res of 1440p Quality is a bit lower than 4k Peformance no? I need to see a chart, lol.
Even so, I tried all sorts of games at 1440p Q and everytime it's way worse than 4K P. Hell, just recenttly with RE Requiem, at 1440p Q, the IQ suffers and shadows flicker and light boils like crazy.
Here in Outlaws just like in AC Shadows it's cleaner than most at lower resolutions.
viveks86
Gold Member
The ear ring does have a shadow in the old version too. It's along her jawline in the old version and you'll see it move in the last couple of frames. They've removed the unrealistic hero lighting and moved other lights around, so the shadows are falling elsewhere.
What makes me happy though is the ugly-ass shadow maps in the background are all gone now. And the spotlight on the left face of the back wall seems to be giving a yellow hue to the entire scene, grounding the rest of the backdrop as well as the characters. And by removing the hero lights, it's like they de-DLSS5'd the entire shot. Interesting choice!
Bitstream
Member
The hero lighting really made the details and textures pop, enhancing the sheen on his jacket and highlighting his scar. LOD on the trees is a huge step down as well. Worse AO and shadowing on secondary chars face.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Would like to see what those are. A lot of those building closeups were quite impressive. Their environmental assets are top notch. But those would look great even without RTGI. They looked great even in their previous game.
Some issues I spotted with their RTGI, specifically:
The building here looks nicer with a bit more visual variety, but likely a difference in ToD between platforms and not related to RTGI. But the foliage looks objectively worse, like it was transplanted from Elden Ring. No idea why that's happening as there are other areas where foliage AO looks significantly better.
Here's another one where the baked lighting actually has more directionality from the light coming in to the tunnel. RTGI looks noticeably flatter (see walls of tunnel around its mouth, especially on the right). The car's rear, however, does look correct only with RTGI
At least it looks better below. There is a nice added glow to the vegetation and cherry blossoms with RTGI:
It's subtle though and baked lighting looks just fine. With a single bounce, the biggest contribution from RTGI in this game will be under bridges or inside enclosures, like this.
But when you have RTGI in place, implementing RT emissives should be extremely cheap, if not free. And yet all we have are just traditional emissive textures with their brightness cranked up, but emit no actual light. These buildings below and its immediate surroundings should be bathed in multiple colors, yet all we get is some hand placed lights. Cyberpunk does it so well. GTA 6 does it on base console. That's a Tokyo signature look that was missed. Given it's already a PC exclusive feature, all this is surprisingly underwhelming. They could have gone wild with it as there is quite a bit of headroom on higher end GPUs
Like... what even is this? More emissive textures that don't actually light anything up. If that's a reflector, it should bounce it all around. There should be some approximation for caustics too.
And not to mention several aspects that actually look better in their previous game. The water effects, sand, even the car looks better in many light conditions imo.
Agreed, but I'm seeing some groups of large NPCs. They are either sequestered in pockets or just too far from the car to make a visual impact .
Same night scene below. See crowds on the distant left. Technically, they are there, but not filling up enough of the frame to make an impact.
Really like the evening lighting here. Day time in first person looks really good too.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Bitstream
Member
Alright I'll give it to you, the early evening light actually looks pretty good. Probably even better with HDR. I'll upgrade it's condition to 'current gen'.
viveks86
Gold Member
The hero lighting… I think is a matter of taste, and preference is subjective. It makes every scene with the character look exactly the same, which I'm personally not a fan of. Aloy looked good with the hero lighting, but looked the same all the time, everywhere, at any time of day. Even though it's great in isolation and often looks technically superior, I feel it removes a lot of what makes the whole package varied and visually interesting.
It's a bit creatively bankrupt to be honest. But in the right circumstances, can be selectively used to great effect. Like you said, to show his scar, for example. It's an elevated moment in a trailer that needs that emphasis, but if this cutscene is happening well into the actual game, it may be focusing on it needlessly.
Not a knock on people who like it (*cough*…
SlimySnake
*cough*). Just my personal preference on how I'd like scenes to be lit and directed. Nice catch on the tree LOD. Thought it was just changes to lighting, but no. A lot of it is actually missing. Hmmmm. Now I can't unsee it :/
viveks86
Gold Member
Yeah was pretty sure you would bring up the bottom GIF. Best part of the footage. I agree, both are great looking moments in the gameReally like the evening lighting here. Day time in first person looks really good too.
Exentryk
Member
The environments, assets, UI, all look great in this game. Shame about the characters and animations. They should repurpose these environments in to a new game (maybe a Jedi game).Beyond all the bugs and lighting glitches in Outlaws, what I would like to praise is that, like in AC Shadows, lower resolutions also have great IQ.
I had to lower from 4K perf to 1440p quality and I was surprised how crisp everything still looks.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Hype rising for 007.
viveks86
Gold Member
Made another comparison. Looks like they have removed a lot of fake lights (see foreground crowd) and letting the environment and RTGI naturally light the characters instead. Not everyone is perfectly lit anymore (which is good imo). Also, the fireworks are a nice add. Was probably the plan all along but didn't make it in the first cut. The original looks unfinished without it. Lights up the whole scene quite nicely with the dark arches on both sides now getting some light. Good stuff!
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Killer8
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IO Interactive are hopeless at HDR. Hitman: WoA needed a RenoDX mod to look acceptable because, as the HDR reviewer KoKlusz pointed out, "it's bad, like really bad".
But hey, at least the latest previews of 007 showed they fixed the most egregious pop-in issues I complained about last year:
Now:
So maybe some faith in 007's HDR implementation is warranted.
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