I can think of Stranglehold, which was SO fun:
Pages are based on number of posts.. not virtual lenght of each.
Exactly. The perfect fit for the posts you're complaining about.
That looks stunning!i like how there is a light source right on top of the car but the interior doesnt get lit, no reflections to speak of either.
meanwhile, worst engine of all time:
Don't get me wrong, it's not that your opinions aren't as valid as anyone else's, it's that they aren't so important that they need to dominate every page.
thats 10 tflops for you. it may be ten years, but thats still only one generation. the ps4 generation had the benefit of PBR materials that made almost every game look a generation ahead of ps3 games. that said, you had crysis on pc that still held up to uncharted 4 in many ways despite being 9 years apart. and yet no one tried to downplay u4's achievements.
This is such a bollocks take. Lost Legacy open field level looks better than the majority of 007. And just because U4 chose not to implement certain aspects, doesn't mean it couldn't have. Game development is all about where to best utilize resources
Fair. But when you say something looks good, and another person posts multiple pictures to show it's not, comes natural to post a number that's larger than the ones posted to illustrate the counterargument.
I should clarify. I don't consider you, DF or 65% of GAF as laypersons. We are all enthusiasts here. On this topic, we aren't laypersons. I was steel man-ing the opposing point of view by speaking for the hypothetical layperson. Some random gamer Joe on the street that we pull in to pass a verdict on screenshots of UC4 vs 007. Someone who doesn't even know what baked lighting or RTGI means and/or doesn't care. I'm legitimizing that Joe's point of view that these 2 games would be trading blows at the minimum, with no conclusive winner overall. He may even call UC4 as the winner. That view actually has fewer biases than what we as enthusiasts have, as all they are looking at is the end result and not what's under the hood. He won't be pulling up GDC talks or use technical terms. It's a more pure verdict. So if that view can potentially be in favor of UC4, then so can any enthusiast's view in its favor, such as your own. I was speaking against my own inner convictions and biases, trying to be in the shoe of a layperson. It wasn't to suggest that I know any better. It was an attempt to remove my stated biases and be objective on the topic.Forgive me but it's not very humble of you to consider 65% of GAF and DF "laypersons".
Exactly what I was trying to entertain. A layperson can look past my biases and see things I don't. And they certainly have different priorities.
I'm with you there. It's certainly impressive. It's literally one of the best last gen had to offer. In fact, my argument is that it's an unfair comparison. Not that it looks worse. I would even concede it looks better quite often. But baked lighting has negligible runtime overhead compared to realtime. So comparing with a game that does it in realtime is placing an unfair advantage on one side. Imagine if I compared UC4 with some CGI movie 10 years prior to it? Wouldn't you think that's an unfair comparison because the CGI was made with massive server farms running a single frame for several hours? That's how I feel about comparing any baked lighting with realtime. But that's my personal pet peeve and bias, which is why I'm mostly staying out of that debate after saying my piece once on the other thread.
I can empathize with that. But I do have a desire to downplay it. You know why? Baked lighting was the only solution before RT hardware changed the paradigm. Going forward though, it's a crutch that will hold progress back. The more we continue to legitimize its presence by looking back at the past, the more the crutch will stay in place. There are several challenges going forward to deal with the shortcomings of RT/PT, like noise, BVH, bandwidth, performance etc. and all the collective brain power should be going towards that instead of relying on the crutches of the past. I have no idea if devs care what NeoGAF has to say, but I personally don't want to be contributing to any signals that baked lighting is still desirable. I also recognize that's just my biased perspective and opposing views are valid.
The FH6 glazing is baffling.I sure hope so
I understand. I was specifically referring, however, to people like John, or Oliver.. or many of the users who voted Uncharted here, on this enthusiast forum. Some chose not to take part in this specific Thread (for a very particular reason, that's maybe easily deductible) but are still graphics enthusiasts fully aware of what lies under the hood.
And no discussion or argument would have ever taken place.
Can't empathize with this feeling, really, when every major hardware and engine is now designed specifically to handle forms of realtime lighting. The mere use of realtime lighting shouldn't render unfair a comparison with something created on cheap 2013 hardware, especially when it's handling so many other incredibly demanding tasks.
Brother, relax. No one is EVER going back to baked lighting. You're not manifesting the death of RT, going full speed ahead even on consoles, by simply expressing appreciation in the meanders of a 917 pages Thread for something that can be considered, more than ever before between atuomation and AI.. a manual, laborious work of art.
Do you want to see PS2 washing machine textures?
Get your buttcheeks ready for the graphical fireworks that awaits you at Libertalia.
Path tracing is a graphical leap. Unfortunately only a small part of the gaming community has the hardware for it. Pray for PS6.
Papi I like you but why are you posting a bugged texture as if it was the best the game could do? At least mention it's a bug...I sure hope so
It's a bug, already talked before here and I even did a capture because Gonzito was doubtful:
Papi I like you but why are you posting a bugged texture as if it was the best the game could do? At least mention it's a bug...
It's a bug, already talked before here and I even did a capture because Gonzito was doubtful:
Correctly loaded texture:
With the bug:
Can we please stop being disingenuous?
Uh...? It's 100% a bug and at least you could've mentionned that. Look at the post by Turk again, this screen alone should tell you everything you need to know:
Guaranteed
Uh...? It's 100% a bug and at least you could've mentionned that. Look at the post by Turk again, this screen alone should tell you everything you need to know:
If the goal was to improve performance, there are better ways to do it. And PG is not an incompetent studio (at least not on the technical side).
Sure I 100% feel you, but at least don't post this kind of shit without the important context... I do think it's fair to call out PG on this bug but I also think we already have enough warring going on.
Vick
Uncharted 4 looks really good, textures, assets etc. Its hard to believe that this game is 10 years old. That being said, the lighting and the way the characters faces look ingame and during less important cutscenes is definitely dated in comparison with 007. Uncharted would look so much better with Raytraced GI
What i cant wait is to see this game on PC with DLSS4 and high fps, because there are ugly upscaling artifacts everywhere and dogshit fps in the official clipsI am very excited to see extended gameplay from Exdous on June this game have the ability to surpass next mass effect on all aspects
I am very excited to see extended gameplay from Exdous on June this game have the ability to surpass next mass effect on all aspects
I understand. I was specifically referring, however, to people like John, or Oliver.. or many of the users who voted Uncharted here, on this enthusiast forum. Some chose not to take part in this specific Thread (for a very particular reason, that's maybe easily deductible) but are still graphics enthusiasts fully aware of what lies under the hood.
And no discussion or argument would have ever taken place.
Sadly, this place has its fair share of people in need of either posting crap to downplay it or state complete fabrications.
Can't empathize with this feeling, really, when every major hardware and engine is now designed specifically to handle forms of realtime lighting. The mere use of realtime lighting shouldn't render unfair a comparison with something created on cheap 2013 hardware, especially when it's handling so many other incredibly demanding tasks.
Now a realtime lighting game compared with fully baked games that shipped this generation (like most Sony FP releases), then yes, it is indeed absolutely unfair.
Brother, relax. No one is EVER going back to baked lighting. You're not manifesting the death of RT, going full speed ahead even on consoles, by simply expressing appreciation in the meanders of a 917 pages Thread for something that can be considered, more than ever before between atuomation and AI.. a manual, laborious work of art.
I conclude by suggesting to take a look at the comparison videos posted, and the other regarding destruction as well, to get a better idea of some of what even technically minded people are seeing in regards to this comparison.
P.S. Where is the light under the bed coming from, in First Light? Why is the inside the closet fully lit, on the right?
But I think Uncharted is more consistent visually speaking, and animations are better in general so the game looks better in motion
Its impressive what Naughty Dog did with a ps4 but yeah the lighting is not great anymore
Forza Horizon 6 with the Instagram flash filter effect added to it.
It's almost like what I was saying about how we need to lean into post-processing more to increase photorealism was correct...
I also believe that, this being an AI filter, it also opens up the possibility for technology like DLSS5 to radically improve graphics (once we can move beyond the "AI slop beauty filter" discourse).
That Bond gif was captured on PS2?
Uncharted 4 "beach house" looks incredible when you are far away from assets, but try looking up close:
No to mention there is ZERO interactivity in that level, everything is baked and bolted to the ground.
Yep.
PT or full RT suite would make this game looks current gen (+some assets upgrades):
Naughty Dog was making some useless remakes and remasters while they could be making this for PS5 Pro (or fucking Bluepoint could do it, they had nothing better to do anyway).
That looks awesome
I agree man. But the game looks really good and the animations are top notch
I wonder if the lighting in TLOU2 is better. I havent played it in a long time
They go with pixar look instead of hyper realistic, and honestly I love that direction
