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So to kick off the discussion, Raven and Kat are the same person? Or they used to be the same person but were separated from each other. Although, if that were the case, when were they separated? Raven falling into Boutoume likely took place a long time ago, way before Kat fell into Heksville, so it's possible they were separated long before then? When both were chasing Aula in the glass dimension, Aula had Raven's voice, but in the flashbacks in the block puzzle dimension Aula had Kat's voice. Am I missing something?

Also Sachya turned out to be a Great Creator. That came outta nowhere. Unless I'm forgetting something from the first game, nothing was foreshadowed about this. So is Sachya also Aula? I'm so confused with this. Sachya was Raven according to the first game.

The game got surprisingly dark. Cyanea disappearing surprised me.

Kat appearing at the end. Cute moment, but how? Perhaps they'll explain it in the Raven DLC? Raven did fell into the gravity storm from Boutoume and emerged with gravity powers in Heksville.

 

[wapplew]

What? I thought Raven and the golden girl was the same person split in two.
Anyway, I stop asking questions after that, too confusing. Will wait GAF story specialist to clear things up.

 

[wapplew]

This image was deceiving, make me think Kali is an ally. Turn out she is a villain and she never appear in Para Lhao.
Well played marketing department, well played.

 

[poipoipoi9]

What are the Nevi?

They seem to be weaponised lifeforms from Eto. Syd is able to control them in 1 and the ending. But if that we're the case, why were they hostile to him in 1? Or more accurately, why did Syd made them hostile to begin with? My personal hypothesis (unsupported by any of the game) is that Syd wanted to artificially make Kat popular and beloved so he engineered the Nevi to attack Heksville and have Kat save the day. But that's just a random guess.

I don't know if my interpretation is correct, but can someone clarify the above?

What? I thought Raven and the golden girl was the same person split in two.
Anyway, I stop asking questions after that, too confusing. Will wait GAF story specialist to clear things up.

No, it's Raven and Kat. Bit says this and Raven also says something along the lines of "You don't know how hard it is to have your other half separated from you" in the epilogue to Misai.

Some other thoughts, Cai was a little shit and that slap from Kat was well deserved. I went to YouTube to rewatch that scene again. It was so cathartic.

So so confused with Raven. Hope the DLC will clear it up but I personally doubt it since its going to be an interquel.

The camera and gestures totally work in the final boss. Had Kat happily eating ice cream for the camera before the final boss hit me and ruined the shot lol.

The story was really meh IMO but the game delivers well on emotion. The scene where Raven reunites with Kat is so cute and made me smile even if it was unexplained. And the scene where everyone sings Discover of Gravitation to revive Kat, cliche as hell but it gave me goosebumps nonetheless.

 

[Draikin 2]

I'm not sure why they went with this somewhat ambiguous ending where they didn't show Kat, despite making it obvious that Raven sees Kat. I don't really see what they gain from this. The whole "Kat becoming a singularity" thing was also something that's left entirely unexplained. We don't know what it entailed and if she could or couldn't be brought back. Cai, Elektricitie and the final boss (the darkness, or something like that) all seemed like rather generic and uninteresting villains. They all pale in comparison to Alias in the original game.

Still, I really liked the epilogue with Raven, with Pandora's prophecy hinting that Raven may find Kat in Vendecentre. And in general, the bond between Kat and Raven was the highlight of the game's story for me, and as such the ending is still rather fitting.

Also Sachya turned out to be a Great Creator. That came outta nowhere. Unless I'm forgetting something from the first game, nothing was foreshadowed about this. So is Sachya also Aula? I'm so confused with this. Sachya was Raven according to the first game.

I'm pretty sure Bit was just calling Raven by her other name, I think he just said that name to make Raven realize who Bit is. Bit may have been the one to give Raven her crow companion and gravity shifting powers. Kat is Aula, no question there.

The Alias and Syd situation has left me very confused. If Alias was a robot ("an alias for a person who no longer exists"), was this robot also the Syd that we see in the majority of the first and second game? Because Syd died hundred years ago, and the Syd who appears at the end of the game was apparently resurrected by Bit, who also sacrificed himself in the process just like Gade and Cyanea.

Regarding Kat and Raven, they were supposed to be the same person but somehow were separated by "fate". This is definitely one of the big revelations that we really don't know a lot about. Perhaps the DLC will reveal more, but this really seems to leave room for a sequel at some point. Bit calls their state an unnatural situation that caused a lot of problems, but it also helped them out in the final fight (with Raven buying time for Kat to regain her memories). In a different timeline, Kat and Raven are indeed the same person and it's this person that we see in Episode 19 (the one that looks like Kat but with black hair). The Creators managed to bring her to this timeline (while stating that is was not an easy thing to do) to help Kat and Raven achieve their full Panther and Crow powers.

 

[poipoipoi9]

I'm pretty sure Bit was just calling Raven by her other name, I think he just said that name to make Raven realize who Bit is. Bit may have been the one to give Raven her crow companion and gravity shifting powers. Kat is Aula, no question there.

The Alias and Syd situation has left me very confused. If Alias was a robot ("an alias for a person who no longer exists"), was this robot also the Syd that we see in the majority of the first and second game? Because Syd died hundred years ago, and the Syd who appears at the end of the game was apparently resurrected by Bit, who also sacrificed himself in the process just like Gade and Cyanea.

Went and reached the cutscene. Yeah, Bit was calling Raven Sachya, not the other way around. My mistake.

I think the robot Alias was just a robot Syd made to communicate remotely with Xicero. The real Syd was probably resurrected by Bit after being stanbed and went to Heksville in the first game. Recall early on Syd is shown to be able to make a robot hand, it shouldn't be far fetched he ended up making a robot body double in case things go wrong again.

 

[PaulloDEC]

I've just finished the game, and wow... this must be absolutely impenetrable to people who've not played the first game. Hell, I've played the first game in both its forms and I'm still left with more questions than answers.

1) What's Raven's deal? Who was she back in Eto? Why was she kept chained up when she and Kat returned at the end of GR2? What's the stuff about her being half a person?

2) What's Syd's deal? Who or what is the Syd Kat first meets in Hekseville if the original Syd from Eto died up there? Why is he there, and what does he want?

3) What's Alias's deal? Was he always a robot? Are he and Syd literally, physically the same "person"? What is his purpose on a wide scale?

4) What's the Nevis' deal? They seem like a naturally occurring, docile element in Eto but they're hostile everywhere else? Why?

I mean, I could keep going. This game is dense.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Reading this thread as someone who actually played the first game.

Sounds heavy on the plot and Japanesey convolutions.

 

[wapplew]

I really hope Raven DLC will clear things up, and time traveler couple have to come back too since subtitle of the DLC have something to do with time.

 

[minameissteve]

So was the device Syd had to control the Nevi the gem that was stolen in the first game?

 

[wapplew]

When Kat back to Hekseville and greet by this two little shit.

Put a smile in my face.

 

[Hoje0308]

Damn that ending. Was hoping to actually see Kat.

 

[Kaelan]

Ending blew my mind. So kat is most likely alive. I'm confused if Sid actually died or if the Sid kat knew was Alias but the one at the end was different.. no idea. So complex haha, I love it. Can't wait for the raven DLC

 

[poipoipoi9]

I really think Syd was always Alias. It's just that Syd made a robot to prevent getting killed again. I also think Syd got resurrected by Bit and sent to find Kat in Heksville.

I've been thinking about the Raven Kat being Alua thing, the timeline would not make sense if they were separated at any time when Kat was Queen. Around 3 years in Heksville is enough for 100 years to pass, and Raven was born and got lost in Boutoume before Kat fell into Boutoume. The theory a poster suggested in a few posts earlier was intriguing though, that in some alternate universe, they were the same being (Red dressed Kat with Raven's voice), but in this universe they were split for whatever reason. It makes their reunion all the more heartwarming and romantic in a sense.

The Raven DLC has a lot to live up to in terms of plot revelations. After all, we didn't get anything about the orphans in this game. Aside from a throwaway line where Raven recognises Bit.

1) What's Raven's deal? Who was she back in Eto? Why was she kept chained up when she and Kat returned at the end of GR2? What's the stuff about her being half a person?

4) What's the Nevis' deal? They seem like a naturally occurring, docile element in Eto but they're hostile everywhere else? Why?

1) They locked her up so Kat wouldn't know what's going on and continue to be a puppet Queen.

4) I really think Nevis are naturally occurring creatures in the GR world. Eto just has the technology to control them, as shown in the ending. Speculation here, but I think the gravity storms just take the Nevi from their natural habitat of Eto into the harshness below, that's why they're hostile and only appear in gravity storms.

 

[Alucrid]

didn't realize there was a spoiler thread.

that raven tease was great. can't wait for the dlc

also the bosses got real dark real fast. giant flesh blob? this thing?

 

[wapplew]

Everyone should read Saghassi's painting lore. Something something light and dark could be origin of the world, Navi, one person split into two.

 

[poipoipoi9]

Everyone should read Saghassi's painting lore. Something something light and dark could be origin of the world, Navi, one person split into two.

D you know where to find the ones in Jirga Para Lhao? Stuck on the ones in the Marketplace and the City.

And yeah, totally did not expect to see Mutated Kali. She looks like a tumour and is disgusting and really creepy. Gives me goosebumps just thinking about it. The final boss didnt surprise me that much, looks like a typical Japanese game final boss who wants to destroy the world type enemy to me.

Also Vendecentre is cursed lol, it had 4 eldritch abominations lay waste to the city in a span of 3 years. Really wished more of the game took place in Lei Colmosna. That Asian inspired city is so beautiful yet so underutilised.

 

[Mattakuevan]

Gat Damn that ending.

Whole game was a masterpiece (if flawed) but man was that a strong end.

 

[Alucrid]

i guess in contrast to the first games final boss which was just a floating ball i wasn't really expecting that. nor the cod first person sequence, but i guess the game started that way too

 

[wapplew]

D you know where to find the ones in Jirga Para Lhao? Stuck on the ones in the Marketplace and the City.

Market place on the island with Banga.

No idea what you mean by City, high rise building area?

 

[PaulloDEC]

I really think Syd was always Alias. It's just that Syd made a robot to prevent getting killed again. I also think Syd got resurrected by Bit and sent to find Kat in Heksville.

So what does that imply about Alias do we think? Is the idea that "Syd" comes back as both himself (a friendly ally) and Alias (an evil villain) in order to create a scenario that would put Kat through her paces? Train her up? Maybe even manufacture her fame in Hekseville?

I'm not sure what else could've been the purpose of the whole thing if not.

I've been thinking about the Raven Kat being Alua thing, the timeline would not make sense if they were separated at any time when Kat was Queen. Around 3 years in Heksville is enough for 100 years to pass, and Raven was born and got lost in Boutoume before Kat fell into Boutoume. The theory a poster suggested in a few posts earlier was intriguing though, that in some alternate universe, they were the same being (Red dressed Kat with Raven's voice), but in this universe they were split for whatever reason. It makes their reunion all the more heartwarming and romantic in a sense.

I found the stuff about Kat and Raven being two halves of the same person to be pretty weird. What part of Alua is Raven supposed to be? Why does Alua in both present-day appearance and flashbacks look no different to regular Kat? Doesn't the story suggest that Alua was a regular citizen selected to be Queen? If that's the case, when is the split supposed to have happened?

1) They locked her up so Kat wouldn't know what's going on and continue to be a puppet Queen.

This confused me a lot at the time, because it seemed as if Raven having the same abilities as Kat meant that they were both people of significance. I kept waiting to find out who Raven was to the people of Eto, but I guess it was never explained.

4) I really think Nevis are naturally occurring creatures in the GR world. Eto just has the technology to control them, as shown in the ending. Speculation here, but I think the gravity storms just take the Nevi from their natural habitat of Eto into the harshness below, that's why they're hostile and only appear in gravity storms.

I could go with that.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

I think that Syd, actually died in Eto, but was granted a wish, the wish of protectong Kat. I think he did all that Alias stuff to help her get more powerful. Once Kat, Alua, recovers her memory, the deal is finished so Syd finally dies. Only to be resurrected by Bit as a last resort.

 

[poipoipoi9]

Market place on the island with Banga.

No idea what you mean by City, high rise building area?

Yeah, the description was really confusing: Near the bottom of the building away from the center.

Also, on the island with the giant crane, where is the painting?

 

[wapplew]

Yeah, the description was really confusing: Near the bottom of the building away from the center.

Also, on the island with the giant crane, where is the painting?

 

[co1onel]

The camera and gestures totally work in the final boss. Had Kat happily eating ice cream for the camera before the final boss hit me and ruined the shot lol.

I had the same idea

 

[rockman zx]

A little disappointed with the story, I was expecting something better when it comes to revealing Kat's true identity, looks like an afterthought, we just dump this extra chapters after the credits with barely any build up during the game. Not that much exposition either, too much vague stuff. They should have build the whole game around the Eto "kingdom" and explain everything in detail.

 

[sackboy2197]

Some various thoughts on the topics discussed above:
From what I gathered, Syd got the ability to appear in Hekseville due to his wish to help Kat (or something along those lines); he was always Alias (not sure if it was always a robot or if it was just for Eto) and was trying to help Kat. As someone pointed out in a thread somewhere, Alias doesn't really do much "evil" overall, but he does oppose her, letting her grow from a certain point of view.

I'm also a bit confused about Raven/Kat being the same person. I was thinking that maybe Bit (I think) was referring to the Crow. Considering that Guardians are something only people of the royal family have (and that Cai's one has wings), I believe that originally Kat had the gryphon that Kat "summons" at the end, and somehow Sachya obtained part of it. Now that I think about it though, I think I recall that Sachya being taken in by Zaza's family, so it does make sense that she would have "appeared" at a certain point in time.

A bit disappointed that there was no reference to Singlor and Nala, hopefully they'll appear in the DLC.

 

[Dantis]

What's the really dark and intense stuff that I keep seeing mentioned? Someone compared it to Drakengard 3? Or did they just mean in terms of actual story content?

 

[McFadge]

What's the really dark and intense stuff that I keep seeing mentioned? Someone compared it to Drakengard 3? Or did they just mean in terms of actual story content?

I think they're referring to the Kali monster. Haven't played Drakengard, but I've seen a video of Ending E (I think?) that has similarities.

 

[Mattakuevan]

I think they're referring to the Kali monster. Haven't played Drakengard, but I've seen a video of Ending E (I think?) that has similarities.

Yes, Kali is what is very drakengard/akira-like, but the real 'dark' parts are the end parts of the true ending.

 

[Hedgey]

I knew he was behind all of this!!

 

[Wagram]

Great game. Really liked what they did, especially in the second half, but I did walk out with a few questions.

1.) Where is D'nelica in the game? Yunica said they were still working under him (why? who knows? maybe because he knew they were coming to fuck them up?) Cool tip: That red crystal Xicero was talking about came into his hands. It's in the ending of Gravity Rush 1.

2.) What's the deal with Raven and Kat being the same person? Kinda strange.

3.) Human Syd was brought back by the gods, but how does Alias exist? Is he like a remote control car?

4.) In the first Gravity Rush Cyanea says that Kat gave up her memories willingly to forget what happened in her world. How does this occur because Alua wanted to help the people below?

 

[Hedgey]

2.) What's the deal with Raven and Kat being the same person? Kinda strange.

4.) In the first Gravity Rush Cyanea says that Kat gave up her memories willingly to forget what happened in her world. How does this occur because Alua wanted to help the people below?

I think that they were referring to the guardian animals. Cai's animal was a Chimera.
The whole time Kat only held half of her guardian animal, while Raven had the other.

I'm guessing that Kat had to give up her memories in order to live in Hekseville.
It is kind of unclear- then again they do just kind of throw everything at you at the end lol

 

[poipoipoi9]

Great game. Really liked what they did, especially in the second half, but I did walk out with a few questions.

1.) Where is D'nelica in the game? Yunica said they were still working under him (why? who knows? maybe because he knew they were coming to fuck them up?) Cool tip: That red crystal Xicero was talking about came into his hands. It's in the ending of Gravity Rush 1.

3.) Human Syd was brought back by the gods, but how does Alias exist? Is he like a remote control car?

1) Good point. Maybe he became good after watching the red crystal thing? My memories of GR1 are somewhat hazy.

3) That's what I'm assuming as well, that Alias is a robot Syd controls remotely. He's shown making that mechanical arm early in the game.

 

[matrix-cat]

HNNG, I loved everything! I mean, I suppose I still have some questions that I don't really expect to be answered (like what's with the Kat Clone we fought in that one rift with all the stone hands and triangular mirrors everywhere?), but I'm OK with a few threads left dangling. I actually half-expected all the Gade/Cyanea/Gravity Queen stuff from the first game to just get swept under the rug, so to see it all come roaring back in the final chapter was a delight.

This game has the most insane sense of escalation I've seen since The Wonderful 101. What was that, like eight consecutive final bossfights, and the last one was basically SATAN? This game had me grinning from ear to ear for hours at a time. So many crazy Japanese plot twists, so many awesome bosses; it's video game heaven for me.

 

[sackboy2197]

1) Good point. Maybe he became good after watching the red crystal thing? My memories of GR1 are somewhat hazy.

I believe they were implying that D'Nelica came across said crystal and decided to do what he did in order to prepare and defend against the invaders from Eto that were coming.

 

[Wagram]

3) That's what I'm assuming as well, that Alias is a robot Syd controls remotely. He's shown making that mechanical arm early in the game.

Good point about the arm. That must imply that Syd remembers his past on some level.

 

[sackboy2197]

Good point about the arm. That must imply that Syd remembers his past on some level.

Honestly I thought he remembered everything.

 

[Weiss]

I'm so lost you have no idea.

 

[Baalzebup]

I think that they were referring to the guardian animals. Cai's animal was a Chimera.
The whole time Kat only held half of her guardian animal, while Raven had the other.

I'm guessing that Kat had to give up her memories in order to live in Hekseville.
It is kind of unclear- then again they do just kind of throw everything at you at the end lol

Yeah, Dusty and Raven's ... raven were clearly a split creature. I considered it quite obvious from the moment they showed Cai's Guardian.

OT: That was an amazing and, at time,s very surprising ride. Kali's final form was quite 'Drakengard' and the fight was quite a bit more visceral than I would have expected from GR. Well played in that regard. Overall, the game has some crazy cool boss fights with the duo fight with Yunica and Pernica, the 3-way with them and the Angels, Blob-Kali, and the boss rush of the last few chapters. Playing with Raven was just plain cool (esp her dodge-kick and her spinning gravity kick, love 'em).

 

[Weiss]

Okay so I'm mostly following things (I think) but I still have a few burning questions.

- Where the heck did Dusty come from? The way his appearance where Kat/Aula is thrown from Eto seems like Kat herself turned into Dusty.

- So Raven is split from Kat? I thought she was one of the Boutoume orphans. What was up with the Kat in the Rift Plane that had Raven's colour scheme?

- The hell is up with Syd? He's Alias, he's a 100 years old, he died but not really. Totally lost on this one. Why was he screwing with Hekseville in the first game?

- Why do Durga and Kali have special powers again? I thought they were just kidnapped orphans from the promo anime. What are they?

- What is Electricitie? She just came out of nowhere. Why was it looking like she was trying to warn me or get me to help her in the lead-up to Mission 21?

 

[Wagram]

Okay so I'm mostly following things (I think) but I still have a few burning questions.

- Where the heck did Dusty come from? The way his appearance where Kat/Aula is thrown from Eto seems like Kat herself turned into Dusty.

- So Raven is split from Kat? I thought she was one of the Boutoume orphans. What was up with the Kat in the Rift Plane that had Raven's colour scheme?

- The hell is up with Syd? He's Alias, he's a 100 years old, he died but not really. Totally lost on this one. Why was he screwing with Hekseville in the first game?

- Why do Durga and Kali have special powers again? I thought they were just kidnapped orphans from the promo anime. What are they?

- What is Electricitie? She just came out of nowhere. Why was it looking like she was trying to warn me or get me to help her in the lead-up to Mission 21?

1.) Creator Bit felt sorry for Kat and intervened. Alua originally didn't have a Royal Guardian. However, when she was falling she was granted Dusty in order for her to have safe passage down.

2.) Raven and Kat are the same person apparently. I'm not 100% sure of the specifics.

3.) Alias was a means to train Kat for the future. Alias wasn't like a super terrorist or anything.

4.) I'm assuming this has to do with the Star Genome talked about in the Anime. They are matches in some way that allows Brahman to transform them. In a way they are opposites like Raven and Kat, but the same on a molecular level.

5.) A special being that Kat's ancestors imprisoned out of fear. She wanted out of that Crystal and considering Cai let her loose after years of imprisonment she did what he requested.

 

[JordanKZ]

Having just finished it, if they decide to end the franchise here, I'll actually be kind of happy. Kat is probably alive, Raven wouldn't have made that reaction, but it would be nice if they left it here.

There's a lot of crazy convolutedness in a lot of the characters and their motivations, but that's pretty standard.

 

[Baalzebup]

Having just finished it, if they decide to end the franchise here, I'll actually be kind of happy. Kat is probably alive, Raven wouldn't have made that reaction, but it would be nice if they left it here.

More than likely, since the final picture of the credits is a silhouette of Kat and Dusty.

 

[sackboy2197]

More than likely, since the final picture of the credits is a silhouette of Kat and Dusty.

Yeah, they pretty much confirmed it.

 

[humansarehorses]

A few things I don't think anyone has said:

Aki is in communication with Bit; Bit might be Pandora (from one of the skippable dialogue sequences). Aki also has a third eye like him.

Kat's very first line in GR1 is "There was another way... that's all I remember". Which makes the timeline of events screwy.

The music box plays the same melody as the music in the opening credits of GR1.

I don't think they gave enough attention to the third main plot of the game which, along with the second main plot, I found much more interesting than the Jirga Para Lhao storyline. I also have no idea what happened to the travelers which bothers me.

 

[Weiss]

A few things I don't think anyone has said:

Aki is in communication with Bit; Bit might be Pandora (from one of the skippable dialogue sequences). Aki also has a third eye like him.

Kat's very first line in GR1 is "There was another way... that's all I remember". Which makes the timeline of events screwy.

The music box plays the same melody as the music in the opening credits of GR1.

I don't think they gave enough attention to the third main plot of the game which, along with the second main plot, I found much more interesting than the Jirga Para Lhao storyline. I also have no idea what happened to the travelers which bothers me.

Oh hell you're totally right, the travelers aren't in the game at all.

There must have been some script changes between games, or maybe they didn't solidify it in the first. I think it was inferred that Kat fought the Nevi as a queen, but here she was ineffectual and had no Guardian. Plus we get no follow up to the Nevi that protected Echo, whereas here they really just seem like mindless beasts. And we never got a concrete answer on Dusty's relationship to the Nevi, though Cai's Guardian turning into the final boss at least infers that they are domesticated Nevi.

Raven is where I'm completely lost. Is she the adopted sister of Zaza from Boutoume, or is she split from Kat? The latter somewhat explains where her Guardian comes from, but not the former, unless Bit just gave her one.

And, yeah, as awesome and mind screwy the Queen sequence was, I really wanted to explore Eto. This is probably where they started running out of money for development.

 

[Weiss]

double post

 

[humansarehorses]

Also, I spot white Nevi. Even though I don't think it will happen, it'd be great if Eto is explorable in the DLC.

 

[Baalzebup]

Also, I spot white Nevi. Even though I don't think it will happen, it'd be great if Eto is explorable in the DLC.

Those are black and white though, the ones in Eto were pure white, weren't they?

Actually, could they be some kind of Proto-Nevi from before they were split into white and black "tribes" as pictured in the Saghassi paintings? After all, GR has plenty of time-fuckery going on.

Edit: Right, found 'em pure whites as well.