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[Weiss]

What are these paintings you guys are talking about?

Given that Cai summons the Nevi with no apparent means, while Syd/Alias needs the device to control them, I think it's safe to assume that white Nevi are domesticated by Eto.

And I guess that DLC trailer confirms we're sticking with Raven being a Boutoume orphan. Maybe being "part of Kat" is referring to her importance to her, rather than literally being split off from her.

I hope the DLC explains where Raven's guardian comes from.

 

[humansarehorses]

Those are black and white though, the ones in Eto were pure white, weren't they?

Actually, could they be some kind of Proto-Nevi from before they were split into white and black "tribes" as pictured in the Saghassi paintings? After all, GR has plenty of time-fuckery going on.

There are pure white Nevi in there.

 

[Baalzebup]

There are pure white Nevi in there.

Ah, I finally noticed them. Only took 3 more viewings :S

What are these paintings you guys are talking about?

They are a set of "take a picture" collectibles unlocked in Hekseville via a sidequest. A set of 20 paintings that seemingly form the genesis of the Nevi and how humans came to the world. Supposedly a wandering artists called Saghassi has plastered them all over the two cities.

 

[Kthulhu]

I still don't understand who the glowing woman was supposed to be.

What made the people of Eto afraid of her? Where is she from? Why is she hostile? Why is she helping the king?

Are we certain we aren't getting another game? Cuz there are still plenty of plot threads that haven't ended.

 

[poipoipoi9]

I still don't understand who the glowing woman was supposed to be.

What made the people of Eto afraid of her? Where is she from? Why is she hostile? Why is she helping the king?

Are we certain we aren't getting another game? Cuz there are still plenty of plot threads that haven't ended.

Elektrolite is just a powerful being that was sealed by the previous generations of Eto royalty. She's helping Cai because Cai freed her and told her to lay waste to the cities below.

 

[Baalzebup]

I still don't understand who the glowing woman was supposed to be.

What made the people of Eto afraid of her? Where is she from? Why is she hostile? Why is she helping the king?

Are we certain we aren't getting another game? Cuz there are still plenty of plot threads that haven't ended.

An ancient being imprisoned by the people of Eto simply because she was so damn powerful. People being fearful of beings of great power and wanting to seal or destroy them as some kind of preventive policy is a rather common trope. She is helping the King out of gratitude because he set her free?

 

[Weiss]

Where did those powers come from, though. The only superpowered individuals were Shifters, and even they needed Guardians to actually use their powers.

For that matter where the heck did Kali and Durga come from? Why are they so special?

 

[Baalzebup]

Where did those powers come from, though. The only superpowered individuals were Shifters, and even they needed Guardians to actually use their powers.
For that matter where the heck did Kali and Durga come from? Why are they so special

Doesn't the very existense of Electricitie prove the bolded statement false? And the 3 Creators? Even Syd as Alias had all kinds of stunts to pull from his trousers and we still don't know how he did most of that. The story is about Kat and her stuff was covered. There are plenty of other supernatural elements that were only touched upon where they touched Kats story arc. I expect similar treatment in the upcoming Raven DLC.

 

[Shin-Ra]

This artwork was released for the original game.

But I never spotted the figure inside!

 

[black070]

The people of Hekseville rallying up to sing leading to Kat going super saiyan was so damn hype.

 

[Baalzebup]

The people of Hekseville rallying up to sing leading to Kat going super saiyan was so damn hype.

Overall, everything forward from episode 24 was so damn hype. Getting a little Raven-time into the mix was such a pleasant surprise. Fuck, even the episode name, All Fires Burn to Ash, was kind of badass.

The singing part reminded me of the similar scene in finale of Okami. That was good shit as well.

This artwork was released for the original game.
But I never spotted the figure inside!

A nice catch indeed.

 

[humansarehorses]

This artwork was released for the original game.



But I never spotted the figure inside!

Yeah, I remember seeing that on Takeshi Oga's site but I couldn't remember how long ago I first saw that.

Since Kat is next to the crystal, I'm wondering if they changed some of the story from the original plan. Because some stuff just doesn't make sense like Kat's opening line in GR1..

 

[jonjonaug]

I definitely feel that some stuff got left on the cutting room floor with Electralite. You talk to her a few times, she has a unique design and a potentially neat backstory. But them all she ends up being is just a boss fight without much dramatic impact or payoff.

 

[humansarehorses]

Honestly, if they made a short visual novel to expand on everything that happened in the last third of the game and to explain what happened to the travelers, I'd buy that.

 

[black070]

This artwork was released for the original game.

That's so cool to look back to 5 years on.

Overall, everything forward from chapter 24 was so damn hype. Getting a little Raven-time into the mix was such a pleasant surprise. Fuck, even the chapter name, All Fires Burn to Ash, was kind of badass.

The singing part reminded me of the similar scene in finale of Okami. That was good shit as well.

For sure, Kat was all like:

 

[Dombrowski]

So.. is it safe to assume that Kat is really old at the end when Raven finds her? Kinda depressing af, man.

 

[Jocund]

So.. is it safe to assume that Kat is really old at the end when Raven finds her? Kinda depressing af, man.

Judging from that final photo during the credits, it looked like she was the same age. But it's tough to be sure.

 

[Baalzebup]

So.. is it safe to assume that Kat is really old at the end when Raven finds her? Kinda depressing af, man.

Impossible to say for sure, but I don't see any reason why she would be. She is bonded to Dusty after all, and the people of Eto are noted to be long lived. Who knows how the teeth of time work on her. Plus considering how the flow of time is relative depending on your location in relation to the pillar, it is the "away" time that is affected when Kat dove into the darkness below, not how the time has flown for Kat herself. Relativity is funny like that. We have no idea "how long" Kat was away from her own perspective, which would be the time she would have actually aged for.

See how Kat was away from Eto for 100 years, though from her perspective it had only been a few years, and how her away time from Hekseville was in contrast to how time had flowed in Hekseville itself.

Edit: Now that I though about it more, from Kats perspective it would have been far less than the year that Raven & Co mourned after her. She dived far, far down to the ass-end of the darkness below and time flows faster the higher you are. For Kat, it should have been only hours, days or weeks at worst, depending on how big the difference in time flow in relation to Hekseville was. If they had gone for the depressing "someone has aged a whole lot" -route, it would have been about Kat finally reaching Hekseville, finding the place changed almost beyond recognition and then seeing someone just like Raven, hurrying to her only to face a reality where Raven and all her other friends are dead and buried and she is actually talking to Ravens great-granddaughter.

And that would have been depressing as fuck.

 

[Dombrowski]

Impossible to say for sure, but I don't see any reason why she would be. She is bonded to Dusty after all, and the people of Eto are noted to be long lived. Who knows how the teeth of time work on her. Plus considering how the flow of time is relative depending on your location in relation to the pillar, it is the "away" time that is affected when Kat dove into the darkness below, not how the time has flown for Kat herself. Relativity is funny like that. We have no idea "how long" Kat was away from her own perspective, which would be the time she would have actually aged for.

See how Kat was away from Eto for 100 years, though from her perspective it had only been a few years, and how her away time from Hekseville was in contrast to how time had flowed in Hekseville itself.

Edit: Now that I though about it more, from Kats perspective it would have been far less than the year that Raven & Co mourned after her. She dived far, far down to the ass-end of the darkness below and time flows faster the higher you are. For Kat, it should have been only hours, days or weeks at worst, depending on how big the difference in time flow in relation to Hekseville was. If they had gone for the depressing "someone has aged a whole lot" -route, it would have been about Kat finally reaching Hekseville, finding the place changed almost beyond recognition and then seeing someone just like Raven, hurrying to her only to face a reality where Raven and all her other friends are dead and buried and she is actually talking to Ravens great-granddaughter.

And that would have been depressing as fuck.

That's a good point, but what if Hekseville is in the middle of the pillar where time flows naturally, but once you go up or down, time flows faster?

I don't know, my head hurts. I just assumed that this is what Kat sacrificed by becoming the singularity, and it's why they didn't show her at the end. Also it being the end of her journey and all.

Edit: And Raven's reaction, she was like wtf?! And then aww. But I might be reading too much into that, lol.

 

[Baalzebup]

That's a good point, but what if Hekseville is in the middle of the pillar where time flows naturally, but once you go up or down, time flows faster?

I don't know, my head hurts. I just assumed that this what Kat sacrificed by becoming the singularity, and it's why they didn't show her at the end. Also it being the end of her journey and all.

Now you're just sounding like you secretly want it to be depressing as fuck and are looking for a point of view that would realize that hidden desire. However, the lost tribe of children in Boutoume from the first game already indicates that time flows slower below Hekseville.

Right, I forgot everything about the first game, lol.

.. But do we know how time flows inside the darkness? Kat had to sacrifice something, it can't just be one year away from your friends.

Spoiler

Yeah maybe I do want this to be depressing.

It wasn't Kats mess to clean up in the first place, she just did it because she is nice like that. You could even say that the others had to sacrifice a year of Kats company for their deliverance.

 

[Dombrowski]

Now you're just sounding like you secretly want it to be depressing as fuck and are looking for a point of view that would realize that hidden desire. However, the lost tribe of children in Boutoume from the first game already indicates that time flows slower below Hekseville.

Right, I forgot everything about the first game, lol.

.. But do we know how time flows inside the darkness? Kat had to sacrifice something, it can't just be one year away from your friends.

Spoiler

Yeah maybe I do want this to be depressing.

 

[Wagram]

A few things I don't think anyone has said:

Aki is in communication with Bit; Bit might be Pandora (from one of the skippable dialogue sequences). Aki also has a third eye like him.

Kat's very first line in GR1 is "There was another way... that's all I remember". Which makes the timeline of events screwy.

The music box plays the same melody as the music in the opening credits of GR1.

I don't think they gave enough attention to the third main plot of the game which, along with the second main plot, I found much more interesting than the Jirga Para Lhao storyline. I also have no idea what happened to the travelers which bothers me.

Technically there was another way. Xicero and the Senate of lazy fuckers could have brought people up to Eto, but they decided to cast her away for Cai.

 

[Baalzebup]

Technically there was another way. Xicero and the Senate of lazy fuckers could have brought people up to Eto, but they decided to cast her away for Cai.

Wasn't their "solution" to the encroaching problem "Eh, we have a thousand years, some future generation will think of something?" That isn't exactly a way to solve the problem. Electricitie might have presented an another way though, had she not been siding with the genocidal little shit.

 

[Dantis]

Yes, Kali is what is very drakengard/akira-like, but the real 'dark' parts are the end parts of the true ending.

In GR2's true ending, you mean?

 

[BRSxIgnition]

Quite a few surprises in that ending - loved the moments where you got to play as Raven, and I was so hyped that we may get to play as her for the post-game since Kat had 'died'...

... Then they give the tease and throw you back into before the ending, which was okay I guess. I just wanted to be able to take more Raven selfies.

The final battles, specifically against Elektricitie as Raven were really fun, and the use of "Night Gale" there as a backing track made it super hype.

Overall, I'd have to give the game an 8 or 8.5 out of 10. It was amazing and super polished for the majority, but some off-kilter side missions & questionable sections (Jupiter mode inside the cramped Neu Hiraleon) took a point off for me.

Can't wait for the March Raven DLC. (Still wish post game was all Raven...)

PS: There's going to be an artbook in March!

 

[cftrooper]

This artwork was released for the original game.



But I never spotted the figure inside!

Whoa

 

[SictorVullivan]

Just finished the game, loved every second of it. But yeah the last few chapters were an information overload.

Got a question...when Alua falls from Eto and Dusty appears to save her, was that right before the start of GR1 or just before Kat fights Elektricitie at the end of GR2? The transition to the gameplay confused me a little.

Also playing as Raven was incredible as hell, loved that she was playable before the DLC that you can play as her in was released.

 

[sackboy2197]

Just finished the game, loved every second of it. But yeah the last few chapters were an information overload.

Got a question...when Alua falls from Eto and Dusty appears to save her, was that right before the start of GR1 or just before Kat fights Elektricitie at the end of GR2? The transition to the gameplay confused me a little.

Also playing as Raven was incredible as hell, loved that she was playable before the DLC that you can play as her in was released.

Pretty sure that's when she "awakened" (for lack of a better term) Dusty before the start of the first game. Didn't she find Dusty with Raven in Eto?

 

[Draikin 2]

I'm curious about which point in time the Raven DLC actually takes place. The fact that Kat seems absent and Raven can be seen using the finisher move she acquired in Episode 19 seems to suggest it'll take place between Gravity Rush 2's ending and its epilogue.

 

[sackboy2197]

I'm curious about which point in time the Raven DLC actually takes place. The fact that Kat seems absent and Raven can be seen using the finisher move she acquired in Episode 19 seems to suggest it'll take place between Gravity Rush 2's ending and its epilogue.

If I'm not mistaken, you can also see Bit in the promotional art, so that would definitely place it before the Eto chapter.

 

[Draikin 2]

If I'm not mistaken, you can also see Bit in the promotional art, so that would definitely place it before the Eto chapter.

True, but since there's a flashback to Raven's past involved, I'm not sure if the presence of the Creators necessarily means anything. If it's set before the Eto chapter, I imagine they'd probably end up removing Kat from the story early on (as it's said that Raven will be fighting alone). I'd prefer that it were set after the ending, if only because it might give us more information about what actually happened to Kat. Even better if it were set after the epilogue, but I'm guessing that won't happen.

Here's the promo artwork again. I'm not sure what the shattered glass is referring to. In the trailer, it also seems like Raven will be experiencing past events in a dream phase similar to what Kat goes through in GR2. In that phase, we see Raven chasing the bus as it falls down, and then traveling up with the Ark again, just like in GR1.

 

[Ferr986]

A little disappointed with the story, I was expecting something better when it comes to revealing Kat's true identity, looks like an afterthought, we just dump this extra chapters after the credits with barely any build up during the game. Not that much exposition either, too much vague stuff. They should have build the whole game around the Eto "kingdom" and explain everything in detail.

Pretty much how I feel. It feels like once they knew GR2 was the final game, they rushed the shit out of a plot.

Now Alias is a good guy just for ¿training? Kat even though it doesn't make sense. Kat and Raven are the same being because "fuck what do we do with Raven" now? We don't even explain Nevis because we have no time, or the random goddess, or wtf are the guardians and why the little kid one gets big and bad....oh and kill Kat with some dumb ass deus ex machina that was never mentioned in the two games for the feels, but with a nod at the very end for if we ever need to bring her back. And why the fuck is Syd alive?

Whole story was a mess, a fun mess but still a mess, it's basically 3 games in one. Shame because the characters are awesome.

 

[humansarehorses]

Pretty much how I feel. It feels like once they knew GR2 was the final game, they rushed the shit out of a plot.

Now Alias is a good guy just for ¿training? Kat even though it doesn't make sense. Kat and Raven are the same being because "fuck what do we do with Raven" now? We don't even explain Nevis because we have no time, or the random goddess, or wtf are the guardians and why the little kid one gets big and bad....oh and kill Kat with some dumb ass deus ex machina that was never mentioned in the two games for the feels, but with a nod at the very end for if we ever need to bring her back. And why the fuck is Syd alive?

Whole story was a mess, a fun mess but still a mess, it's basically 3 games in one. Shame because the characters are awesome.

It's heavily hinted in the first game that Alias is Syd and that Syd was obviously a good guy (e.g. saved Kat when the military captured her).

Dusty, the crow and the chimera are all Nevi. That's hinted at in the first game and in the second game.

 

[DylanEno]

Incredible ending. It was 110% information overload in comparison to the relatively sluggish pace of everything prior to the final several chapters, but holy hell was it effective. So many emotions. Way too much I want to say but can't seem to effectively put into words. Man...

Anyway, some questions I wonder if you guys could answer (this thread has been hugely helpful already):

The alternate timeline Kat / Raven. Was it confirmed that that's who she was? And why was she helping Kat and Raven learn to master their ultimate forms?

Cai is Kat's nephew? But they weren't related... but then who was he exactly, why was he crowned king, and more importantly, why was he such an evil little shit? Maybe I missed something but I didn't really get much motivation out of him outside of "powerfully unstable thing trapped, me save powerfully unstable thing to make my own world because lol evil". And why is it that he was given his own Guardian? What made him special?

How did Cesie just suddenly learn to control her powers? Just a bullshit "that's my secret, I'm always angry" type cop-out? This game seemed to be full of that sort of thing: Raven appearing out of nowhere just in the nick of time, Lisa randomly appearing, Syd, etc.

What was the red orb Xicero was talking about (the one D'Nelico had in the credits of GR1)? What did it do? And potentially an answer to this question -

What was the thing Syd was using to control the Nevi? Was that the red orb from before? How the hell did he find it? Did he find D'Nelico and take it? And he just had the device to insert it into all along?

What was it about the people of Heskeville singing that helped Kat go super Saiyan? Is this just the typical shonen type deal with little explanation? She was just inspired to finally destroy Satan?

The lost children never woke up, huh? Was there anything really important about them outside of Cyanea, anyway?

So, it's speculated that Kat and Raven were connected...but then there's the whole Raven being an orphan not making any sense in relation to Kat being a queen. There was never any split there. EVEN THOUGH we have alternate timeline Kat being a visual / sonic mix of the two of them... And then there's Raven receiving her Guardian - was this guardian originally intended for Kat but was given instead to Raven for some reason? And then finally Kat was given her second half (Dusty) when she was in most need of it?

I felt like Syd was her guardian the entire time leading up to his death... and when he made that final sacrifice, it allowed Kat's nevi guardian to take form - or at least provoked Bit to finally give her Dusty. Tbh I'd think dusty was Syd if it weren't for him being alive and everything, lol. But there's definitely a connection there, imo, as seen in the end of the overture, him guiding / training her as Alias, attempting to save her at the cliffs of Eto, saving her at the end of GR2, etc. He's like the Link to her Zelda, only in a far more interesting sense.

Kat's "sacrifice." What was it? Becoming the black hole to stop the gravity storm from consuming the world? And if so... how the hell does she just apparently come back a year later? I get that time can work slower or whatever but I'm still struggling to understand what that was all about.

On that note, though... it'd be neat to see a sequel explaining what happened during her time as the singularity. Maybe there was a whole other world down there that had been consumed and she was working to bring back from its destruction as a year progressed in Hekseville?

This franchise is so full of potential and goddamn it's making me so sad knowing that it'll probably end with Raven's DLC... but at least it'll have gone out with a bang. What an incredible ride.

 

[sackboy2197]

True, but since there's a flashback to Raven's past involved, I'm not sure if the presence of the Creators necessarily means anything. If it's set before the Eto chapter, I imagine they'd probably end up removing Kat from the story early on (as it's said that Raven will be fighting alone). I'd prefer that it were set after the ending, if only because it might give us more information about what actually happened to Kat. Even better if it were set after the epilogue, but I'm guessing that won't happen.

I would love if that were to be the case, but I'm prepared for the worst (relatively speaking).

 

[Ferr986]

It's heavily hinted in the first game that Alias is Syd and that Syd was obviously a good guy (e.g. saved Kat when the military captured her).

Dusty, the crow and the chimera are all Nevi. That's hinted at in the first game and in the second game.

Yes I remember it was hinted that Syd = Alias. What I meant is that it doesn't make much sense that Alias is a good guy, with all the shit that he caused in GR1, especially with Kat training as an excuse.

Same with Dusty, I know they're nevis unless I missed it they don't really explain what are Nevis, or what's the difference with a peasant nevi and a guardian (other than the latter being tied to a king).

And seriously, what's with turning into singularity? what is it? how do you even turn into that? why it stops the black ocean?

 

[sackboy2197]

Yes I remember it was hinted that Syd = Alias. What I meant is that it doesn't make much sense that Alias is a good guy, with all the shit that he caused in GR1, especially with Kat training as an excuse.

Same with Dusty, I know they're nevis unless I missed it they don't really explain what are Nevis, or what's the difference with a peasant nevi and a guardian (other than the latter being tied to a king).

And seriously, what's with turning into singularity? what is it? how do you even turn into that? why it stops the black ocean?

Alias didn't really do anything "evil" in the first game, as far as I recall. From what we've seen Nevis are simply creature that live in Eto, and that the people there are able to control. I'm not sure how they relate to guardians though. Considering she controls gravity I guess it does kind of make sense that she could stop the ocean, but it's definitely a bit forced.

 

[humansarehorses]

Yes I remember it was hinted that Syd = Alias. What I meant is that it doesn't make much sense that Alias is a good guy, with all the shit that he caused in GR1, especially with Kat training as an excuse.

Same with Dusty, I know they're nevis unless I missed it they don't really explain what are Nevis, or what's the difference with a peasant nevi and a guardian (other than the latter being tied to a king).

And seriously, what's with turning into singularity? what is it? how do you even turn into that? why it stops the black ocean?

Why doesn't it make sense? Kat was naive as a queen, she was almost killed and she never had Dusty before to know how to use it.

I think there's a sidequest with paintings that partially explains the origin of Nevis or so I hear.

 

[Kthulhu]

A little disappointed with the story, I was expecting something better when it comes to revealing Kat's true identity, looks like an afterthought, we just dump this extra chapters after the credits with barely any build up during the game. Not that much exposition either, too much vague stuff. They should have build the whole game around the Eto "kingdom" and explain everything in detail.

They really should've made a third game. I hope the DLC makes up for the somewhat unsatisfying conclusion.

 

[Ferr986]

Alias didn't really do anything "evil" in the first game, as far as I recall. From what we've seen Nevis are simply creature that live in Eto, and that the people there are able to control. I'm not sure how they relate to guardians though. Considering she controls gravity I guess it does kind of make sense that she could stop the ocean, but it's definitely a bit forced.

I mean, I don't exactly remember everything about GR1 story but I would say unleashing nevis into the city is bad enough, even if Kat ends up saving the day.
And Dusty is the one who controls gravity, not Kat, but I guess both gets fused anyways. She should have thrown the damn cat into the void lol

Why doesn't it make sense? Kat was naive as a queen, she was almost killed and she never had Dusty before to know how to use it.

I think there's a sidequest with paintings that partially explains the origin of Nevis or so I hear.

But what Alias accomplishes? Kat is as naive at the end of GR2 than when she was a Queen. She put's everyone in Hekseville at danger trying to protect Durga instead on going all in. And well, side quests also keep pointing at how naive she is.

And he could make Kat learn about her powers without caushing shit, hell she basically does learn without Alias, considering he "dies" early.

Mind you, it's been a year since I played so I may be forgotting something, so, sorry if I do.

I have some side quests to do so I'll look into that!

EDIT: At the end, what bothers me the most is the singularity stuff, and it's probablly what makes me overanalyzing everything else.. I hate that kind of stuff. If you have to kill the MC then fine but put a believable reason for it.

 

[Draikin 2]

So, it's speculated that Kat and Raven were connected...but then there's the whole Raven being an orphan not making any sense in relation to Kat being a queen.

I think that could still make sense. It's not known who Raven's real parents are, she was adopted by Zaza's parents who found her as a baby. So she could very well have originated from Eto.

Kat's "sacrifice." What was it? Becoming the black hole to stop the gravity storm from consuming the world? And if so... how the hell does she just apparently come back a year later? I get that time can work slower or whatever but I'm still struggling to understand what that was all about.

One thing I find really curious is that Raven's crow went with Kat and Dusty to "seal the darkness". This implies it was in fact needed to help with whatever it was Kat actually did. But the crow returned to Raven immediately afterwards. And given that Raven can communicate with the crow, the latter should have known what happened there. But in the epilogue, it's clear that nobody seems to know what happened to Kat. It's likely that Kat wasn't fully aware of what would happen either. Evidently at least some people hoped to see her again, in particular Raven (who blatantly lied to Misai when she said she had accepted the fact that Kat was gone). I feel like the writers intentionally made it unclear what the whole singularity thing was about. It felt like little more than a plot device that was only there to give us this ambiguous ending.

 

[Ferr986]

Been doing sidequests and now I understand the black aura that show when Kat speaks to herself. I guess it's supossed to be her singularity form or atleast where she is while narrating.

I feel like the writers intentionally made it unclear what the whole singularity thing was about. It felt like little more than a plot device that was only there to give us this ambiguous ending.

That's exactly what it is. We cant say she is back in the epilogue, considering they already put random things like this singularity stuff, it can be whatever, an aura, a ghost, some kind of presence... its not necesary her coming back. It's like Dragon Ball GT ending.

I mean, if she turns into a singularity (already a nonsensical thing) it will be ever more nonsense to her to come back like if nothing happened. But with this everyone that wants to think she's alive can do it, same with the ones that wants to think she's dead.

Edit:
Im starting to think that the black haired Kat is basically singularity Kat.

Because she fuses with the ocean she's some kind of nevi, and like Dusty she can appear and dissapear. And considering time flows different depending where you are, and she is basically the ocean herself, she can time travel, or something like that.

 

[chrominance]

Quite a few surprises in that ending - loved the moments where you got to play as Raven, and I was so hyped that we may get to play as her for the post-game since Kat had 'died'...

... Then they give the tease and throw you back into before the ending, which was okay I guess. I just wanted to be able to take more Raven selfies.

I'm actually surprised no one's discussed the bargain the final boss gives you after it takes away all of your powers and beats you to a pulp. It basically promises Kat the illusion? of the world she used to live in, with the two cities intact and everyone still alive, for the rest of time. Kat never actually gives a straight answer to whether she accepts the bargain or not, and it's not even clear it was an actual thing being offered or just a final taunt.

But it would be interesting if it turned out the whole reset to just before the final string of missions was actually Kat taking the deal and getting to live out the rest of her life in illusory Hekseville.

I mean, I doubt that's actually the case, but hmm.

 

[sackboy2197]

I'm actually surprised no one's discussed the bargain the final boss gives you after it takes away all of your powers and beats you to a pulp. It basically promises Kat the illusion? of the world she used to live in, with the two cities intact and everyone still alive, for the rest of time. Kat never actually gives a straight answer to whether she accepts the bargain or not, and it's not even clear it was an actual thing being offered or just a final taunt.

But it would be interesting if it turned out the whole reset to just before the final string of missions was actually Kat taking the deal and getting to live out the rest of her life in illusory Hekseville.

I mean, I doubt that's actually the case, but hmm.

That would work better if you couldn't just re-climb the pillar.

 

[Ferr986]

I'm actually surprised no one's discussed the bargain the final boss gives you after it takes away all of your powers and beats you to a pulp. It basically promises Kat the illusion? of the world she used to live in, with the two cities intact and everyone still alive, for the rest of time. Kat never actually gives a straight answer to whether she accepts the bargain or not, and it's not even clear it was an actual thing being offered or just a final taunt.

But it would be interesting if it turned out the whole reset to just before the final string of missions was actually Kat taking the deal and getting to live out the rest of her life in illusory Hekseville.

I mean, I doubt that's actually the case, but hmm.

That would work if the story stopped there and showed the ideal world after that, but we see Kat killing the fucker and after that going down to turn into dark blob Kat. There wouldn't be a need for the latter if Kat accepted the deal with the Chimera.

 

[Drillary Clinton]

Incredible ending. It was 110% information overload in comparison to the relatively sluggish pace of everything prior to the final several chapters, but holy hell was it effective. So many emotions. Way too much I want to say but can't seem to effectively put into words. Man...

Anyway, some questions I wonder if you guys could answer (this thread has been hugely helpful already):

The alternate timeline Kat / Raven. Was it confirmed that that's who she was? And why was she helping Kat and Raven learn to master their ultimate forms?

Cai is Kat's nephew? But they weren't related... but then who was he exactly, why was he crowned king, and more importantly, why was he such an evil little shit? Maybe I missed something but I didn't really get much motivation out of him outside of "powerfully unstable thing trapped, me save powerfully unstable thing to make my own world because lol evil". And why is it that he was given his own Guardian? What made him special?

How did Cesie just suddenly learn to control her powers? Just a bullshit "that's my secret, I'm always angry" type cop-out? This game seemed to be full of that sort of thing: Raven appearing out of nowhere just in the nick of time, Lisa randomly appearing, Syd, etc.

What was the red orb Xicero was talking about (the one D'Nelico had in the credits of GR1)? What did it do? And potentially an answer to this question -

What was the thing Syd was using to control the Nevi? Was that the red orb from before? How the hell did he find it? Did he find D'Nelico and take it? And he just had the device to insert it into all along?

What was it about the people of Heskeville singing that helped Kat go super Saiyan? Is this just the typical shonen type deal with little explanation? She was just inspired to finally destroy Satan?

The lost children never woke up, huh? Was there anything really important about them outside of Cyanea, anyway?

So, it's speculated that Kat and Raven were connected...but then there's the whole Raven being an orphan not making any sense in relation to Kat being a queen. There was never any split there. EVEN THOUGH we have alternate timeline Kat being a visual / sonic mix of the two of them... And then there's Raven receiving her Guardian - was this guardian originally intended for Kat but was given instead to Raven for some reason? And then finally Kat was given her second half (Dusty) when she was in most need of it?

I felt like Syd was her guardian the entire time leading up to his death... and when he made that final sacrifice, it allowed Kat's nevi guardian to take form - or at least provoked Bit to finally give her Dusty. Tbh I'd think dusty was Syd if it weren't for him being alive and everything, lol. But there's definitely a connection there, imo, as seen in the end of the overture, him guiding / training her as Alias, attempting to save her at the cliffs of Eto, saving her at the end of GR2, etc. He's like the Link to her Zelda, only in a far more interesting sense.

Kat's "sacrifice." What was it? Becoming the black hole to stop the gravity storm from consuming the world? And if so... how the hell does she just apparently come back a year later? I get that time can work slower or whatever but I'm still struggling to understand what that was all about.

On that note, though... it'd be neat to see a sequel explaining what happened during her time as the singularity. Maybe there was a whole other world down there that had been consumed and she was working to bring back from its destruction as a year progressed in Hekseville?

This franchise is so full of potential and goddamn it's making me so sad knowing that it'll probably end with Raven's DLC... but at least it'll have gone out with a bang. What an incredible ride.

It really does upset me that this is likely the last we'll see of Kat & Friends

 

[Ferr986]

Incredible ending. It was 110% information overload in comparison to the relatively sluggish pace of everything prior to the final several chapters, but holy hell was it effective. So many emotions. Way too much I want to say but can't seem to effectively put into words. Man...

I'm not sure about Kat and Raven simply being the same being, Thing is Kat was never shown pre split, even when she was Queen, same with Shachya being Raven. It also may not be a physical split but a guardian split. Raven shouldn't have a guardian because she's not a ruler from the sky city yet he was granted one.

So we don't know yet about that unless the DLC has some answers.


About Kat sacrifice, I don't think Kat was down there doing stuff. Turning into a singularity means fusing with the void, become one with it (notice how the Kat narrating scenes have black auras around). I'm not convinced that he returns back after the year timeskip. Atleast now as the original Kat. It may be a ghost, a spirit, a nevi-Kat, black haired Kat from that rift...

It really does upset me that this is likely the last we'll see of Kat & Friends

Honestly, after how it ends, I'll rather they go full reboot with new Shifters and new setting.

They could also do a game with Raven being the MC, but I don't see her leading a game like Kat. And they would have to do a lot of explaining to justify Kat returning.

 

[humansarehorses]

I'm not sure about Kat and Raven simply being the same being, Thing is Kat was never shown pre split, even when she was Queen, same with Shachya being Raven. It also may not be a physical split but a guardian split. Raven shouldn't have a guardian because she's not a ruler from the sky city yet he was granted one.

So we don't know yet about that unless the DLC has some answers.


About Kat sacrifice, I don't think Kat was down there doing stuff. Turning into a singularity means fusing with the void, become one with it (notice how the Kat narrating scenes have black auras around). I'm not convinced that he returns back after the year timeskip. Atleast now as the original Kat. It may be a ghost, a spirit, a nevi-Kat, black haired Kat from that rift...

Not pre-split because that implies that in their specific universe, they were initially the same person. But black haired Kat (a Kat from another universe and a different point in time) is definitely what they're referring to when they say that Kat and Raven were split.

 

[Ferr986]

Not pre-split because that implies that in their specific universe, they were initially the same person. But black haired Kat (a Kat from another universe and a different point in time) is definitely what they're referring to when they say that Kat and Raven were split.

Yes, but that would mean they are the same being only in another dimension, so in the current dimension they never were the same, right? so it's weird that they are related in this dimension when they have nothing between them.

Honestly this thing makes my head spin lol

 

[Musolf815]

Just finished, still feeling the catharsis. I loved the game so much! Good to see the parts that were confusing to me were confusing to others too.

Interesting thing I just read, one of the first things Syd says in the game is about what happened to him in Eto, "I had a dream that I saved a princess in the nick of time, and held her hand."