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GRIN blames Square-Enix for the death of its studio, exposes S-E incompetence
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What a disappointing bit of news -- as a huge FF12 fan, I had been holding out hope that Fortress might finally be released at some point, and now reading about how it was cancelled is like salt in the wounds.
Seriously, Square? Not recognizing Isamu Kakikokuryō's concept art for the very game that you've contracted a spin-off for?
I like those landscapes; that's what appealed to me so much about FFXII. Huge open spaces; beautiful nature that stretches to the horizon.
For some reason that rock jutting up out of the sea in that second screenshot looks amazingly like the Tatigami-iwa (たてぃがみ岩; 'standing god rock') off the coast of Yonaguni, in Okinawa.
I wonder if the Grin developers ever went there. Then again, there are probably thousands of such rocks in the world's oceans.
Seriously, Square? Not recognizing Isamu Kakikokuryō's concept art for the very game that you've contracted a spin-off for?
I like those landscapes; that's what appealed to me so much about FFXII. Huge open spaces; beautiful nature that stretches to the horizon.
For some reason that rock jutting up out of the sea in that second screenshot looks amazingly like the Tatigami-iwa (たてぃがみ岩; 'standing god rock') off the coast of Yonaguni, in Okinawa.
I wonder if the Grin developers ever went there. Then again, there are probably thousands of such rocks in the world's oceans.
Alex
Member
I mostly wonder what XII would've turned out like if Matsuno had more control and wasn't ejected. Either way, it was pretty decent stuff as is, just needed some more polish and reiteration. Square seems more than happy to waste huge swaths of development time tossing out perfectly functional concepts and redesigning things for the worse though.
After XIII and XIV though, I'd just be happy with something that wasn't a complete catastrophe.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Well they were almost dead when the FF project came around i guess SE kill them.
Still SE sound like a nightmare to work with , let hope Versus is good .
Well there always type -0 for now.
Still SE sound like a nightmare to work with , let hope Versus is good .
Well there always type -0 for now.
From The Dust
Banned
ULTROS! said:
13 marked the end for me
One more thing about the faxing: when are Japanese companies going to finally put the fax machine in history's dustbin? Faxes became big in the 1980s when, for a typical individual or small company, it wasn't trivial to type and store Japanese text electronically. It made sense to just write stuff by hand and then fax it. Today, though, everyone has a computer with Japanese fonts and many possible encoding methods. Any manager or company that centers his communication around the fax is woefully behind the times.
(Protip: if you're job-hunting in Japan and your potential employer demands that any communication be done by fax, or ever criticizes you for not having a fax in your home, take that as a warning sign.)
(Protip: if you're job-hunting in Japan and your potential employer demands that any communication be done by fax, or ever criticizes you for not having a fax in your home, take that as a warning sign.)
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Dunan said:For some reason that rock jutting up out of the sea in that second screenshot looks amazingly like the Tatigami-iwa (たてぃがみ岩; 'standing god rock') off the coast of Yonaguni, in Okinawa.
I wonder if the Grin developers ever went there. Then again, there are probably thousands of such rocks in the world's oceans.
Geologically, those are called "stacks"
A particularly cool one is Rockall, because it's nowhere near land.
perfectnight
Banned
Not enough anime
bloodforge
Member
Square not recognizing their own concept work is pretty bad, then saying it looks nothing like Final Fantasy(what does that even look like?) is even worse.
Fimbulvetr
Member
Plywood said:
He's trying to not-so-subtly imply that FFXII doesn't look like a series of games that change their look with each iteration.
lifa-cobex
Member
eXistor said:
I wish this was not the case but I agree with you completely. FFXII didn't feel like a Final Fantasy to me but it was non the less a great RPG.
How can you not recognise you're own work. That's embarrassing.
Square just feel like a bunch of students that make b-movies.
Ether_Snake
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Stumpokapow said:
Yeah let's fax a truck load of pages of code.
54-46! said:
This is probably exactly what happened. Wada probably wanted a FF game made by a Western studio, and whichever department was in charge of handling the process (most likely some senior staff who handled FF games in the past) did not want it to be done, felt betrayed and so on, so they did everything they could do to tank the project, and it worked.
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
Ether_Snake said:
Can you imagine all the toner/ink needed, Good Lord, heaven forbid someone else tried to fax SE, they would be in the queue for weeks
1 thing was the 3 games mentioned aren't retail priced games. Asking $60 for Wanted was LOLWTFRUSRIUS?, the games had budget written all over them, and should have been priced accordingly
$19.99-$29.99
That would have helped out, I mean at least they would have stayed afloat and not capsized themselves by ramming their ship directly into an iceberg purposely
Potshot at the end and use of the word retarded makes them look foolish. Square Enix may have just been the spear throw that finally knocked them into the ocean of sharp rocks they were standing over for awhile. Just terribad management at GRIN IMO, seems like they were made for each other. I hope Eidos continues to manage well with SquareEnix, god I do.
:loljooey said:
Rahxephon91
Banned
Zeal said:
Like a GRIN game was going to be awesome or revive something thats not dead.
Dark Octave
Banned
Intersting to know that it would have taken 20 million to make this FF.
WorriedCitizen
Member
Ultimately the loss of the FF game was only the nail in the coffin for Grin. They lost some other big projects shortly before that in wake of their underperforming games and the begin of the economy crisis.
MikeE21286
Member
Wow Square is as absurd as we all knew/thought.
I'd guess 90% of that is probably accurate.
Also did not help GRIN shit out some garbage before they closed...
I'd guess 90% of that is probably accurate.
Also did not help GRIN shit out some garbage before they closed...
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Any competent legal department for a developer (especially so for a publisher) knows everything there is about game production, especially code and how it works given how many different license types there are for publicly available code.Visualante said:
Yeah, S-E can't be trusted anymore. Do you really want these clowns remaking FFVII or doing a new Chrono game? Hell no. That ship has sailed, the magic is nearly gone and there's no legitimate reason to want to see that happen anymore. Unless, of course, you are stuck in the past.
From The Dust
Banned
antonz said:
they seem to be handling Eidos pretty well.
From The Dust
Banned
antonz said:
yea
someone get rid of Wada
