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GT IW: Marcus Beer strikes out at Jon Blow/Phil Fish over XB1 indie GI coverage
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I agree with this.
Doctor Decimate
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I think the idea that they're obligated to comment on this shit just because they get coverage on their games is fucking ridiculous. They're not. Hell, they've got a right to be sick of being asked all the damn time. Must be obnoxious. Am I supposed to side with the guy whining because he didn't get what he wanted like a kid who opened up a present full of clothes on Christmas?
How is this going to work when he wants to sue Marcus for libel again?
I really really like this guy.
Where can I preorder Fez 2?
Yep, keep on blaming the bullied for retaliating.
freenudemacusers
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I have some unfortunate news.
ShockingAlberto
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This is not fucking binary.
You don't get to just dump all retaliation in to piles of "okay" or "blame the victim." Parsing it like that is so goddamn immature that I can't believe you're seriously implying that response is in any way okay.
KaiserBecks
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I don't know how we could determine whether or not this source is legitimate, the name of the account wouldn't be a factor though. I just find it strange that Fish replied several times, and basically went from "Who are you, you're lying" to "none of your fucking business". There was another one like ""Fuck you" is not a threat" or something like that. This was his last reply, he locked his account minutes later:
seventynine
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I find Fish incredibly refreshing in a world of smothering, bland PR and meek creatives standing cap in hand.
I don't agree with everything he spouts but I'm glad he hasn't neutered himself.
I also enjoy Blow's forthrightness, and Cage's too while I'm thinking about it.
I don't agree with everything he spouts but I'm glad he hasn't neutered himself.
I also enjoy Blow's forthrightness, and Cage's too while I'm thinking about it.
Just keep on focusing your rage on the bullied retaliating and not the bully himself for causing the conflict and everything will be OK.
Is it really that hard to remove yourself from these situations? I mean I'm usually pretty up to date with indie gaming news, and yet I never knew this was going on until just now. There's a way larger world outside these guys little bubbles and stepping back can show how meaningless their hissing fits really are in the grand scheme of things. You don't have to reply, or even give a shit to comments like that.
This is going to be fish in five years
http://www.socialtechpop.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/jp1.jpg
http://www.socialtechpop.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/jp1.jpg
He references Futurama a lot (Bender in this case). It was just a really stupid time to do it.
freenudemacusers
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haha that is kind of a weird response.
ShockingAlberto
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They're both dicks but that does not at all warrant saying what he did. You can be offended without being disgusting.
I'd like to think whatever mechanism you have inside of you for shame is going to eventually kick in because any respect I may have had for you is wafting out the window like a fart in the air.
not_so_special
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a lot of american game press are so microsoft biased that is ridiculous xD
A Sentient Keyboard
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Petrae
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Sad to see how social media has turned the video game industry-- and the press that covers it-- into a pool of negativity and anger. It's less about what new games are coming out and general enthusiasm as it once was and more about who is offended, watching personalities melt down, and seeing people who are supposed to be adults and professionals have verbal versions of gunfights at the O.K. Corral.
It's sad. It's embarrassing. It didn't have to be this way. What should be an industry about fun, amusement, and joy has devolved into something ugly.
It's sad. It's embarrassing. It didn't have to be this way. What should be an industry about fun, amusement, and joy has devolved into something ugly.
Edit : damn you sentient keyboard! 
Just a few seconds to late..oh well.
From Jim sterling.
http://ask.fm/JimSterling/answer/58261446642
Just a few seconds to late..oh well.From Jim sterling.
http://ask.fm/JimSterling/answer/58261446642
SublimeO12
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no, come on. that was comedy gold.
Huevos de Oro
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That's some pretty shitty stuff. I don't really follow either of the involved closely so I don't know how far will they take this, but I guess it would have been better to keep things a tad more level-headed.
"They're both bad" is not the ideal and solves nothing. Muckrakers, bullies and instigators like Marcus need to be weeded out and discarded, and stern patience given to those he abuses.
Instead of actually arguing the point lets just keep saying my point over and over again. That will show him.
Also Phil made fun of game journalists so he is technically the "bully" and Marcus is the "victim".
I really don't know what to think about the Fish, he says a lot of things that really don't put him in a good light but it is pretty clear that he gets so much crap thrown at him that it isn't surprising that he loses it from time to time.
If it wasn't for the whole kill yourself thing, I'd probably be on his side this time. Kind of feel sorry for him.
If it wasn't for the whole kill yourself thing, I'd probably be on his side this time. Kind of feel sorry for him.
ShockingAlberto
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As you willingly excuse retaliation by encouraging someone to take their own lives.
Go find a mirror, DaBuddaDa. If you can stand to have your eyes open to it, I'd be pretty surprised.
What about people who misuse a term, diminishing its actual meaning because someone who makes things he likes got called a name?
EmCeeGramr
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When people "bullied" Mike from Penny Arcade, would it be "victim blaming" to criticize him for his transphobic rant that he made in retaliation?
Doctor Decimate
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He went on about how they're acting above the publications that cover their games, so that's the implication I get
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Deleted member 80556
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What the fuck. How do you make a game in a pretentious manner anyway?
Both sides made mistakes, but it still doesn't excuse Beer's way of handling this (not to mention him coming to defend his point in a bloody forum).
Snapshot King
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What, I'm not allowed to hate Fez?
The only way I can see you arguing all of this is if you have no idea who Phil Fish is and his history. He is the one of the biggest shit talkers in the industry on twitter. Saying Phil Fish is a victim... I'm sorry if I'm trying to hold in my laughter.
I never liked Fish from his insulting, condescending, douchey comments he makes on the Internet and even more confirmed after watching the movie. Fez may be considered a good game, but I refuse to support him due to mostly his attitude. Which is unfortunate because I was pretty hyped to play Fez when I first heard about it way back when, but the more Fish opened his mouth, the less inclined I wanted to play and support his work.
Blow on the other hand, I friggin loved Braid to death, so I don't have much harsh criticisms to say. I think of the recent years, Blow has started to sound more of an elitist to me, but fortunately, didn't read anything about him when Braid came out. So I'm still looking forward to The Witness, but to be honest, the game doesn't interest me that much. Just banking on what I loved about Braid and hoping the same quality and emotion is there for The Witness.
Blow on the other hand, I friggin loved Braid to death, so I don't have much harsh criticisms to say. I think of the recent years, Blow has started to sound more of an elitist to me, but fortunately, didn't read anything about him when Braid came out. So I'm still looking forward to The Witness, but to be honest, the game doesn't interest me that much. Just banking on what I loved about Braid and hoping the same quality and emotion is there for The Witness.
Of course you are. But you didn't say you hated it. You said it was the most pretentious game ever made.
Baleoce
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So, the game itself.. is pretentious?
Relaxed Muscle
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The bottom line of this (not going into Phil ragequitting twitter or twitter catfights) is that Shitty Gaming Journalism won again in their battle of using social media a proper tool to his job even if it ends of misinformation, poor journo ethics or downright lazyness in their job.
This will end with a story of Phil Fish mental breaking instead of the real problem here, in which he was absolutly right.
This will end with a story of Phil Fish mental breaking instead of the real problem here, in which he was absolutly right.
You called it the Most Pretentious Game ever made. Don't act like that's not what he was reacting to.
ironically it was not commenting that started all this
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Deleted member 80556
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Jesus, you're the one who's being pretentious now.
Haunted
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Though I must say that making a public video berating people and putting it out as a contributor on gametrailers is particularly vicious compared to the usual lazy trolling/flaming tweets Fish and Blow get.
It's good that Beer has been called out for this shit, but as you said, I fear Fish having a meltdown will turn out to be the takeaway (well, of course it's more relevant what happens to Fish compared to Beer, but still), and it'll end up overshadowing Beer's shitty behaviour, and probably even encourage him to do something like this again. I'm sure people are clicking on his video to see the slander that made Fish so mad in the first place. :/
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