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[spindashing]

Never even heard of this guy before, even AFTER finishing the game. Just take the songs out if he's complaining. No one will miss them.

Because everyone feels the same way that you do.

 

[Broder Salsa]

This thread is full of hilariously dumb posts. "But but but, it's great advertisement", yeah, but if he (and the record label) really told them to fuck off with that low offer, they should accept that and make a new better offer if they really want the songs. That you think it would still do him good or that you would be honored to even be in a GTA game as an artist doesn't mean shit.

It's the owners of the musics say that matters here, not whatever stupid fucking feelings you have towards it or the artist.

 

[Coxy]

It's slightly concerning how many fans of Grand Theft Auto do not understand the concepts of ownership and theft

 

[HamsterPackage]

Just because you might not know or care for Daz and his music doesn't make him a "nobody that needs exposure". He is an artist that deserves to be compensated for his works. Not what "you think is fair" but what he thinks is fair. If he's such a nobody why the fuck would rockstar pursue him for songs in the first place?

 

[JDSN]

It's slightly concerning how many fans of Grand Theft Auto do not understand the concepts of ownership and theft

Lack of job will do that to you.

 

[Rolf NB]

Joke post?

"We will make millions upon millions upon millions with our game. Here's a few thousand for your help!"

Yeah, no.

"We will play two of your songs in front of 8 million gamers, most of which probably didn't even know you existed. And, of course, we're also paying you the standard fee."

 

[Linkhero1]

Never even heard of this guy before, even AFTER finishing the game. Just take the songs out if he's complaining. No one will miss them.

I want them in . I will miss them. What now?

 

[Dantis]

I want them in . I will miss them. What now?

I think you just became no one.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

"We will play two of your songs in front of 8 million gamers, most of which probably didn't even know you existed. And, of course, we're also paying you the standard fee."

"No thanks."

Who cares what his reasons were. If he had the rights to the music, it's his choice. If he wanted to go all J.D. Salinger and never let anyone have the rights to his stuff ever again, that's on him.

 

[Rolf NB]

"No thanks."

Who cares what his reasons were. If he had the rights to the music, it's his choice. If he wanted to go all J.D. Salinger and never let anyone have the rights to his stuff ever again, that's on him.

Yeah, I agree. It's absolutely his call to decline any such offer. I just don't agree with the idea that this offer is low, let alone offensive.

 

[PBY]

Yeah, I agree. It's absolutely his call to decline any such offer. I just don't agree with the idea that this offer is low, let alone offensive.

It's offensive given that it's after the fact.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Yeah, I agree. It's absolutely his call to decline any such offer. I just don't agree with the idea that this offer is low, let alone offensive.

The idea that it was low or high or just right is ultimately up to him though. He could think his song is worth $5 million, but it's his song. He is not right or wrong.

 

[HamsterPackage]

"We will play two of your songs in front of 8 million gamers, most of which probably didn't even know you existed. And, of course, we're also paying you the standard fee."

What magical standard fee do you speak of? and maybe he didn't want his music in the game in the first place? thats his choice not rockstars.

 

[Linkhero1]

He was offended by the offer. Simple as that. He sees the worth of his music as more than what they offered him. I don't know why this issue is still being talked about. The main issue is whether or not R* actually took his songs and placed them into the game without any permission. Most likely not if they went to the labels that have rights to the songs.

I think you just became no one.

Nice.

 

[HamsterPackage]

I want them in . I will miss them. What now?

Yup here's another nobody!

 

[Reg]

I wouldn't want my work in a murder simulator either.

 

[To Far Away Times]

Artists deserve to be paid for their work, and to try to sell it at whatever they deem it's worth. If he didn't take the offer and he owns the music, I think he's got a settlement coming his way.

 

[solarus]

Honestly, who the fuck is anyone in this thread to tell Daz what he "should have done"? It doesn't matter AT ALL if the money was fair to you, or if he should be honored because its GTA and Rockstar. The fact is he said no, and they used it anyways. That's not legal or fair, everything else is irrelevant. If this story happened in any other media or with any other game we would all cry foul but because it our based GTA, guys an idiot? Fucking GAF sometimes.

Exactly, everyone defending this bullshit is completely in the wrong, there is no denying it. Just because it's their precious GTA doesn't mean shit like this should go unnoticed and not knowing who the artist is or disliking the song has fuck all to do with the situation at hand.

 

[TheContact]

I can't believe I'm reading shit like this.

I'm not saying he's in the wrong here--at all. R* is completely at fault for adding this guy's work into the game after he declined. I'm just saying from a promotional standpoint, it's in the rapper's best interest to have his tracks exposed to millions of people, especially since he's pretty much a nobody. He declined because the monetary offer wasn't enough, not that he had a problem associating his music with the game. I'm saying he's an idiot for not taking the offer, but I side with him regarding his music being used without permission

 

[MechaX]

It's slightly concerning how many fans of Grand Theft Auto do not understand the concepts of ownership and theft

The first thing that went through my mind in this topic is that Rockstar possibly screwed this guy on purpose. Give him a low ball offer and if he accepts, great. If he doesn't, oh well, put the music in anyway. If he complains, yeah, he has a perfectly legal valid cause of action, but we'll end up settling at a price the company would be acceptable with anyway. (the trick is how well the rapper can see through this bullshit in any possible settlement offer)

And it is still every bit fucked up.

 

[HamsterPackage]

I'm not saying he's in the wrong here--at all. R* is completely at fault for adding this guy's work into the game after he declined. I'm just saying from a promotional standpoint, it's in the rapper's best interest to have his tracks exposed to millions of people, especially since he's pretty much a nobody. He declined because the monetary offer wasn't enough, not that he had a problem associating his music with the game. I'm saying he's an idiot for not taking the offer, but I side with him regarding his music being used without permission

So pretty much a nobody produced one of the biggest rap albums of all time? mmkay then. As stated before he won a settlement against suge knight and deathrow records for the sum of 25 million. You think he's hard up for cash or publicity? Maybe that's why he scoffed at the initial offer in the first place?

 

[See You Next Wednesday]

Patch it out.

They took someone's music without their constant, sold it as part of the game package for several weeks & then "patching" them out & only for people who will update the game will fix all this?


Are people really this dim?
Oh wait, twitter generation, of course they are.

 

[HamsterPackage]

They took someone's music without their constant, sold it as part of the game package for several weeks & then "patching" them out & only for people who will update the game will fix all this?


Are people really this dim?
Oh wait, twitter generation, of course they are.

apparently half of the people in this thread.....

 

[alan666]

oh the irony !

last week everyone was praising R* for the level of detail & everything else about GTA5 & now because some has-been rapper had his track licensed by 'his people' for the R* set amount everyone is slating R*

aww the poor artist (who fritted his money away) there are plenty or singers & groups that would love to have their music in a GTA game, just patch the track out & replace it with another track, nobody will miss the track anyway, this guy is just trying to get a extension to his famous for five minutes.

how the worm has turned, with everyone hating R* .

 

[Ninja Scooter]

oh the irony !

last week everyone was praising R* for the level of detail & everything else about GTA5 & now because some has-been rapper had his track licensed by 'his people' for the R* set amount everyone is slating R*

aww the poor artist (who fritted his money away) there are plenty or singers & groups that would love to have their music in a GTA game, just patch the track out & replace it with another track, nobody will miss the track anyway, this guy is just trying to get a extension to his famous for five minutes.

how the worm has turned, with everyone hating R* .

Try keeping up with the thread. Most people are saying that IF Daz was not rightly compensated and Rockstar used his music without legal permission, then they are in the wrong. As of now, we don't know enough to decide either way.

 

[HamsterPackage]

oh the irony !

last week everyone was praising R* for the level of detail & everything else about GTA5 & now because some has-been rapper had his track licensed by 'his people' for the R* set amount everyone is slating R*

aww the poor artist (who fritted his money away) there are plenty or singers & groups that would love to have their music in a GTA game, just patch the track out & replace it with another track, nobody will miss the track anyway, this guy is just trying to get a extension to his famous for five minutes.

how the worm has turned, with everyone hating R* .

Are you seriously trying to get back into this discussion? you got shot down pages ago...maybe time to pack it in there bud.

 

[spindashing]

oh the irony !

last week everyone was praising R* for the level of detail & everything else about GTA5 & now because some has-been rapper had his track licensed by 'his people' for the R* set amount everyone is slating R*

aww the poor artist (who fritted his money away) there are plenty or singers & groups that would love to have their music in a GTA game, just patch the track out & replace it with another track, nobody will miss the track anyway, this guy is just trying to get a extension to his famous for five minutes.

how the worm has turned, with everyone hating R* .

All in one post, you managed to claim that:

- Nobody will miss the track.
- Everyone is turning against Rockstar.
- Daz is a "has-been rapper."
- Patching the track out and replacing it with another one would be no problem.

You are like the culmination of the uninformed posts in this thread in one poster.

 

[FStop7]

For those who don't get it:

Daz Dillinger produced some of the most significant tracks that defined the West Coast rap sound of the 1990s. That sound, and the popular culture that came up around it - the mainstream popularity of Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre, Tupac, etc, stems from West Coast hip hop. GTA: San Andreas and GTA 5 both draw heavily from the pop culture and music from that time.

According to Daz Dillinger, Rockstar offered him a very small amount of money to license tracks that he claims he holds the rights to. He claims to have refused. He claims Rockstar put them into the game, anyway. If this is really how things went then Rockstar fucked up. It doesn't matter what you personally think of rap music. It doesn't matter if you've never heard of Daz Dillinger.

It's really not that complicated.

 

[alan666]

Are you seriously trying to get back into this discussion? you got shot down pages ago...maybe time to pack it in there bud.

Post a link that says categorically that Daz owns all the rights 100% outright to the tracks used in GTA5, because if you care to do some investigating the tracks the copyright claimants for one of the songs are initially: High Priest Publishing, Famous Music Corporation, Suge Publishing, Real ’n Ruff Muzik & Emoni’s Music, yes Daz did co-write the tracks but that doesn't mean he owns them.

Michael Jackson used to own the Beatles tracks in the USA & thats why he & Paul McCartney fell out, Paul said he would never perform a Beatles track on the USA because if he did he would have to pay Jackson to do so.

I really don't see why everyone is so upset about this, anyone here who is & has a copy of GTA5 why not send Daz a dollar ?

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I really don't see why everyone is so upset about this, anyone here who is & has a copy of GTA5 why not send Daz a dollar ?

Why does the possiblity of Rockstar having made a mistake annoy you so much?

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Post a link that says categorically that Daz owns all the rights 100% outright to the tracks used in GTA5, because if you care to do some investigating the tracks the copyright claimants for one of the songs are initially: High Priest Publishing, Famous Music Corporation, Suge Publishing, Real ’n Ruff Muzik & Emoni’s Music, yes Daz did co-write the tracks but that doesn't mean he owns them.

Michael Jackson used to own the Beatles tracks in the USA & thats why he & Paul McCartney fell out, Paul said he would never perform a Beatles track on the USA because if he did he would have to pay Jackson to do so.

I really don't see why everyone is so upset about this, anyone here who is & has a copy of GTA5 why not send Daz a dollar ?

Nobody knows and nobody is claiming they do know until Rockstar or the publishers come out and make a statement. But the people who are on that end of the discussion aren't the ones making stupid, outlandish statements.

 

[HamsterPackage]

Post a link that says categorically that Daz owns all the rights 100% outright to the tracks used in GTA5, because if you care to do some investigating the tracks the copyright claimants for one of the songs are initially: High Priest Publishing, Famous Music Corporation, Suge Publishing, Real ’n Ruff Muzik & Emoni’s Music, yes Daz did co-write the tracks but that doesn't mean he owns them.

Michael Jackson used to own the Beatles tracks in the USA & thats why he & Paul McCartney fell out, Paul said he would never perform a Beatles track on the USA because if he did he would have to pay Jackson to do so.

I really don't see why everyone is so upset about this, anyone here who is & has a copy of GTA5 why not send Daz a dollar ?[/QUOTE

No one knows who owns what yet that's what we are waiting to hear about. You don't know why he's upset? If he in fact owns the rights to these songs they were STOLEN. What part of this do you not understand?

 

[Soulflarz]

Post a link that says categorically that Daz owns all the rights 100% outright to the tracks used in GTA5, because if you care to do some investigating the tracks the copyright claimants for one of the songs are initially: High Priest Publishing, Famous Music Corporation, Suge Publishing, Real ’n Ruff Muzik & Emoni’s Music, yes Daz did co-write the tracks but that doesn't mean he owns them.

Michael Jackson used to own the Beatles tracks in the USA & thats why he & Paul McCartney fell out, Paul said he would never perform a Beatles track on the USA because if he did he would have to pay Jackson to do so.

I really don't see why everyone is so upset about this, anyone here who is & has a copy of GTA5 why not send Daz a dollar ?[/QUOTE

No one knows who owns what yet that's what we are waiting to hear about. You don't know why he's upset? If he in fact owns the rights to these songs they were STOLEN. What part of this do you not understand?

...you...you know theres a quote button...right? (And no i didnt mess up, i was quoting someone quoting which means the first quote is in HTML cause it normally doesnt do that, before someone tells me i messed up the quote...)

 

[HamsterPackage]

...you...you know theres a quote button...right?

yeah I do. Thanks, it was a mistake.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

(And no i didnt mess up, i was quoting someone quoting which means the first quote is in HTML cause it normally doesnt do that, before someone tells me i messed up the quote...)

Being condescending is fraught with peril.

 

[Soulflarz]

Being condescending is fraught with peril.

Touché

And yeah, anyone who looks at it...it does look like i messed up XD oh well

 

[HamsterPackage]

Touché

And yeah, anyone who looks at it...it does look like i messed up XD oh well

LMAO.....So do you have anything to add to this discussion or.....

 

[alan666]

Post a link that says categorically that Daz owns all the rights 100% outright to the tracks used in GTA5, because if you care to do some investigating the tracks the copyright claimants for one of the songs are initially: High Priest Publishing, Famous Music Corporation, Suge Publishing, Real ’n Ruff Muzik & Emoni’s Music, yes Daz did co-write the tracks but that doesn't mean he owns them.

Michael Jackson used to own the Beatles tracks in the USA & thats why he & Paul McCartney fell out, Paul said he would never perform a Beatles track on the USA because if he did he would have to pay Jackson to do so.

I really don't see why everyone is so upset about this, anyone here who is & has a copy of GTA5 why not send Daz a dollar ?[/QUOTE

No one knows who owns what yet that's what we are waiting to hear about. You don't know why he's upset? If he in fact owns the rights to these songs they were STOLEN. What part of this do you not understand?

hmm

why are half the people here saying that "R* stole Daz's music & should pay him a fair amount" & the other half (which i am a member of) is saying "do you really think R* do not know what they are doing, every GTA they have the same thing happen with licensing"

Daz was in a group when he co-wrote the tracks so any number of people could hold the rights to the tracks, from what i have read is that R* only offer a set amount of money & its take it or leave it, would R* really be so desperate to use these tracks they would do so without getting the relevant licenses ?

there is a lot of members attacking one another here & its not nice, it just seems to have exploded with people jumping up & down talling R* to pay him $5m or whatever it was & others saying who cares.

if R* did not get a license then they will just pay the set amount, if he says that he values his music at $5m thats his own personal opinion & R* use a set amount to stop people demanding silly amounts.

 

[Vice]

"We will play two of your songs in front of 8 million gamers, most of which probably didn't even know you existed. And, of course, we're also paying you the standard fee."

Daz is most likely living comfortably so he doesn't need to expand his audience; And, he's associated with huge acts like 2Pac and Snoop Dogg so his audience is already large. He also has production credits for multi-platinum singles and albums

 

[HamsterPackage]

hmm

why are half the people here saying that "R* stole Daz's music & should pay him a fair amount" & the other half (which i am a member of) is saying "do you really think R* do not know what they are doing, every GTA they have the same thing happen with licensing"

Daz was in a group when he co-wrote the tracks so any number of people could hold the rights to the tracks, from what i have read is that R* only offer a set amount of money & its take it or leave it, would R* really be so desperate to use these tracks they would do so without getting the relevant licenses ?

there is a lot of members attacking one another here & its not nice, it just seems to have exploded with people jumping up & down talling R* to pay him $5m or whatever it was & others saying who cares.

if R* did not get a license then they will just pay the set amount, if he says that he values his music at $5m thats his own personal opinion & R* use a set amount to stop people demanding silly amounts.

well the reason why I was personally offended by your comments was you trying to downplay his fame when you clearly have no idea what he has done as a artist and producer. "he's a nobody" just goes to show that you have no idea what your talking about.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I love that the stray quote tag is just hanging around after being accidentally invited to the party.

 

[spindashing]

hmm

why are half the people here saying that "R* stole Daz's music & should pay him a fair amount" & the other half (which i am a member of) is saying "do you really think R* do not know what they are doing, every GTA they have the same thing happen with licensing"

Daz was in a group when he co-wrote the tracks so any number of people could hold the rights to the tracks, from what i have read is that R* only offer a set amount of money & its take it or leave it, would R* really be so desperate to use these tracks they would do so without getting the relevant licenses ?

there is a lot of members attacking one another here & its not nice, it just seems to have exploded with people jumping up & down talling R* to pay him $5m or whatever it was & others saying who cares.

if R* did not get a license then they will just pay the set amount, if he says that he values his music at $5m thats his own personal opinion & R* use a set amount to stop people demanding silly amounts.

All that we know is that Rockstar consulted Daz with a price, Daz didn't like the price, and apparently his music was used any way.

Now, if this all is 100% how Daz claims the story happened, Rockstar fucked up.

Also...

hmm

why are half the people here saying that "R* stole Daz's music & should pay him a fair amount

Regardless if he was in a group or not at the inception of the music he is speaking of, does he not (as well as everyone else in the game who has lent their music) deserve a "fair amount" of compensation for his music?

Edit: WTF is going on with these broken quote tags? lol

 

[alan666]

well the reason why I was personally offended by your comments was you trying to downplay his fame when you clearly have no idea what he has done as a artist and producer. "he's a nobody" just goes to show that you have no idea what your talking about.

if you are Daz then i apologize, if you're not then you need to chill.

if R* took his music without a license then they took it, i'm not going to lose any sleep over it & neither will you.

people just need to calm down.

 

[alan666]

All that we know is that Rockstar consulted Daz with a price, Daz didn't like the price, and apparently his music was used any way.

Now, if this all is 100% how Daz claims the story happened, Rockstar fucked up.

Also...

Regardless if he was in a group or not at the inception of the music he is speaking of, does he not (as well as everyone else in the game who has lent their music) deserve a "fair amount" of compensation for his music?

Edit: WTF is going on with these broken quote tags? lol

who decides on a fair amount ?

if Daz had said he wanted $5m should R* of paid that amount & then when R* went to Dr Dre & he said well Daz got $5m i want $6m should he get it to, where would it end ?

time & again people who have had their voices & music used have then complained & wanted more money after release because they did not know how big it would be, this is why R* now use none famous people for voices & only pay a set fee for music.

what happened to innocent until proven guilty, everyone saying that R* has stolen the tracks are making slanderous comments are they not ?

 

[Broder Salsa]

oh the irony !

last week everyone was praising R* for the level of detail & everything else about GTA5 & now because some has-been rapper had his track licensed by 'his people' for the R* set amount everyone is slating R*

aww the poor artist (who fritted his money away) there are plenty or singers & groups that would love to have their music in a GTA game, just patch the track out & replace it with another track, nobody will miss the track anyway, this guy is just trying to get a extension to his famous for five minutes.

how the worm has turned, with everyone hating R* .

This is one of the worst posts I've read on here.

Especially like the "well because you guys liked the game, you can't think that R* ever does anything wrong" part. Of course most posts in a thread about R* being dicks (if Daz is telling the truth) is going to be negative towards R*, what do you expect random "i loved the game, trevor is kawaii 10/10" posts in here?

 

[Bobby Roberts]

people just need to calm down.

You first.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

oh the irony !

last week everyone was praising R* for the level of detail & everything else about GTA5 & now because some has-been rapper had his track licensed by 'his people' for the R* set amount everyone is slating R*

aww the poor artist (who fritted his money away) there are plenty or singers & groups that would love to have their music in a GTA game, just patch the track out & replace it with another track, nobody will miss the track anyway, this guy is just trying to get a extension to his famous for five minutes.

how the worm has turned, with everyone hating R* .

Probably more like "awww poor Rockstar". They probably have more money than Daz will see in his lifetime (okay, that may be a stretch but it's not beyond reason) and they can't compensate him?

I don't and have never liked GTA. I don't like rap or hip hop but it's not about what someone likes, it's about business. It's about what's right and they should just give the guy what he rightfully deserves regardless of what exposure the music in the game might give him. Rockstar is not 'doing him any favors' if that's what people think.

 

[POWERSPHERE]

Dude needs to chat to his publisher.

 

[Reg]

alan666
Banned


lol

 

[TAJ]

"We will play two of your songs in front of 8 million gamers, most of which probably didn't even know you existed. And, of course, we're also paying you the standard fee."

Why did the producers of Mad Men pay $250,000 for Tomorrow Never Knows when they could have just paid $2,000? Lol