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[alexandros]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-grand-theft-auto-5-pc-performance

But the results on even budget set-ups still outstrip those on PS4 and Xbox One. The GTX 750 Ti paired with the i3-3410 is a real success, for example - a combo that forms part of a circa-£300 PC, where 1080p60 at high settings is very doable.

Come on TechGAF, explain this to me. How is it possible that the Core i3/750Ti combo manages to offer almost double the performance of the PS4 even with console optimizations and coding to the metal? Is the PS4 CPU that much of a bottleneck? Is the PS4 version poorly optimized? What gives?

 

[YuriLowell]

The PS4 has a weak ass netbook processor and a mid-lowend GPU from 2012.

They really cut corners this time around.

 

[Circinus]

The CPU in PS4's and XB1's APU are weak.

 

[Elixist]

if you follow the performance thread framerates are all over the place especially at night time with lighting hitting the grass. so I'm going to call b******* on that. also do we know what settings ps4 and Xbox one are set at? And the consoles could def. go over 30 in certain scenes they are capped.

 

[Rawket Lawnchair]

This again?

We had the exact discussion like 3 days ago, until the mods locked the thread.

 

[Kezen]

It's possible that some very high settings are used on consoles.

 

[No_Style]

Perhaps GTAV is CPU dependent?

It's possible that some very high settings are used on consoles.

Or this? I can't read the article at the moment so it could be a number of reasons.

 

[alexandros]

if you follow the performance thread. Frame rates are all over the place especially at night time. so I'm going to call b******* on that. + do we know what settings ps4 and Xbox one are set at?

According to DF they did their best to match the console settings.

 

[Coolbgdog12]

What's the ps4 settings?

 

[Zombie James]

How stable is that 60fps?

 

[Crimsonclaw111]

Shitty AMD laptop tier CPUs versus highly efficient Intel CPUs I assume.

 

[McHuj]

Are all the settings the same between the PC and PS4? There's more to it than resolution and framerate.

Maxwell is a better architecture than GCN, imo as well.

 

[EatinOlives]

How stable is that 60fps?

From my experience, pretty freaking stable

 

[poopninjamvc3mk]

I'm surprised i3/750ti does better than the i3/280 at times in the benchmark video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pxeF08qmtg

 

[alexandros]

This again?

We had the exact discussion like 3 days ago, until the mods locked the thread.

The article was published today.

 

[Nafai1123]

Really depends on the consistency of 60fps on that rig. Is it regularly dropping down into the 30's during certain scenarios? The framerate is locked on the consoles, so uncapped it would undoubtedly be running much higher than 30 a lot of the time.

 

[Gareth Bale]

How stable is that 60fps?

The framerate in GTA is never stable, so I imagine very unstable would be the answer

 

[impact]

Consoles: AMD
that PC: Intel

Looks about right to me. How is a comparable AMD PC running the game?

 

[Deepo]

How's that setup doing out in the countryside with some heavy foliage?

 

[Percy]

Vintage alexandros.

 

[Cuyejo]

Well, when the Xbone version performs practically identically as the PS4 version and looking about the same too, it's fair to say something weird is going on.

 

[gtj1092]

Shouldn't you have all the answers considering you are a PC gamer. Break it down for us low level console players. Also don't the Ps4/X1 have the same spec for GTA5? Will you also make a thread asking why those two version are running the same even with a power difference?

 

[NumberThree]

Really depends on the consistency of 60fps on that rig. Is it regularly dropping down into the 30's during certain scenarios? The framerate is locked on the consoles, so uncapped it would undoubtedly be running much higher than 30 a lot of the time.

It's in the article, minimum framerate is 42.

 

[alexandros]

Really depends on the consistency of 60fps on that rig. Is it regularly dropping down into the 30's during certain scenarios? The framerate is locked on the consoles, so uncapped it would undoubtedly be running much higher than 30 a lot of the time if it was uncapped.

Read the article guys. 42 fps minimum, 59 fps average.

 

[ElTorro]

Come on TechGAF, explain this to me. How is it possible that the Core i3/750Ti combo manages to offer almost double the performance of the PS4 even with console optimizations and coding to the metal?

It's not possible to determine whether this PC configuration offers double the performance, when it is running unlocked, while the PS4 version is capped at 30fps, and internally likely running higher than that.

 

[Klossen]

My guess would be that Intel CPUs are generally better for gaming as each core is more powerful compared to similar tier AMD CPUs.

I don't know about the GPU though. A 7870 performs better on PC than a 750 Ti does. It's weird. Either the game hits a CPU bottleneck, or the PS4 GPU isn't as powerful as a 7870 or there were optimization issues.

 

[Risk Breaker]

CPU frequency, most likely.

You need cycles to reduce frame times, simple as that.

 

[belmonkey]

What's the ps4 settings?

DF says they think high settings, and they turned population density + distance scaling (at least) to 50%. I did a video with the same settings on my 750 ti + i5 4440 build, and the performance was in the 50s and 60s in the town during the "Repossession" mission. Haven't been in the countryside yet.

 

[Nafai1123]

It's in the article, minimum framerate is 42.

Damn, that's pretty impressive for such a moderate rig then.

 

[Loris146]

When is driving frame rate is not 60 anyway. I hate variable frame rate ...

 

[dragonelite]

How stable is that 60fps?

From what i saw it hovered between 50~60 fps with some occasional dips to 40.
Im quiet impressed a i3 can pull this off dx12 and vulcan should even offer more
juice. AMD and Intel am cry no need to upgrade for gamers.

 

[Zekra Dezivad]

The GTA up-port really its only 30 fps?
This would be a real shame, and a mediocre upgrade over the last gen versions considered the difference in raw specs.

edit: op title was confusing, i read better the article

 

[Ishida]

A thread started by Alexandros about "weak consoles", followed by PC gamer circlejerking, "notebook CPU's" and stuff.

I honestly don't know what I expected.

 

[dark10x]

Lets be clear, though, the ps4 version currently holds a rock solid 30fps without dips. That requires a frame-rate well above 30fps on average. If it were unlocked I wonder what we'd see? With the 30fps cap it's impossible to know.

 

[SneakyStephan]

Jaguar is shit even compared to a low end i3
With a decent cpu gta5 would have probably been 60 fps on ps4

Dying light on ps4 would not have needed a draw distance setting BELOW the lowest possible setting on pc to still only run at 30 fps.

I think a lot more current gen console games would be 60 fps if it wasn't for that pathetic cpu

A thread started by Alexandros about "weak consoles", followed by PC gamer circlejerking, "notebook CPU's" and stuff.

I honestly don't know what I expected.

Thread whining from people like you, apparently!

I'm also not sure who you think you will do any favors by sticking your head in the sand on the cpu issue of the new consoles? Other than the corporations making them of course.

 

[Mindman]

I knew the OP was behind this thread based on the title alone. This topic can't seem to escape his attention!

EDIT:

A thread started by Alexandros about "weak consoles", followed by PC gamer circlejerking, "notebook CPU's" and stuff.

I honestly don't know what I expected.

LOL yes!

 

[R10Neymarfan]

Frame rate must be CPU bound

 

[McHuj]

The single threaded performance of that i3 is really good too in comparison to any AMD CPU.

It's a 3.4 GHz CPU so any task that can't be parallelized and must run a single thread will run way better on this than the Jaguar CPU.

 

[Risk Breaker]

Lets be clear, though, the ps4 version currently holds a rock solid 30fps without dips. That requires a frame-rate well above 30fps on average. If it were unlocked I wonder what we'd see? With the 30fps cap it's impossible to know.

Yeah, this too. People ignore this waaaay too often.

 

[Tagyhag]

Well, when the Xbone version performs practically identically as the PS4 version and looking about the same too, it's fair to say something weird is going on.

The PS4 couldn't get locked 60, or they would have done so. Since it has more juice they added extra details like that whole foliage fiasco.

There's no sketchy things going on. I'm sure if we unlocked the framerate it could go all over the place from 30-60 but that's not up to Rockstar's standards.

 

[AstroNut325]

The cheapest PC I can build via NewEgg with a i3 and 750ti is about $430 before tax and shipping. Does not include an OS so add about $70-90 for that.

 

[Rawket Lawnchair]

The article was published today.

Well, a similar article was also published 5 days ago.

But, of course you know it already.

 

[Caayn]

My guess would be that Intel CPUs are generally better for gaming as each core is more powerful compared to similar tier AMD CPUs.

I don't know about the GPU though. A 7870 performs better on PC than a 750 Ti does. It's weird. Either the game hits a CPU bottleneck, or the PS4 GPU isn't as powerful as a 7870 or there were optimization issues.

A 7870 is more powerful than the GPU in the PS4.

If we were to look at everyones favorite measurement (FLOPS) you'd see a gap between the PS4's GPU and the 7870 similar to the gap found between the PS4 and XB1.

 

[Kinthalis]

Shouldn't you have all the answers considering you are a PC gamer. Break it down for us low level console players. Also don't the Ps4/X1 have the same spec for GTA5? Will you also make a thread asking why those two version are running the same even with a power difference?

Why don't you?

Most PC gamer's stopped beign suprised the 5th time an i3 + 750ti beat the pants of a PS4 in a game.

It's console gamers who keep on insisting that this CANNOT BE! Something something to the metal, grumble grumble closed system.

I think Alexandros is wondering why those things apparently mean nothing in real world scenerios. The answer is that they never meant much in the first place.

 

[Zombegoast]

I don't think this has been mention here but I think it's AMD's CPU that causes the bottleneck.

 

[Magwik]

Huh it should be able to run decently on the Aloenware Alpha I just ordered then? Neat

 

[garath]

Lets be clear, though, the ps4 version currently holds a rock solid 30fps without dips. That requires a frame-rate well above 30fps on average. If it were unlocked I wonder what we'd see? With the 30fps cap it's impossible to know.

This is important to note. It could be the PS4 can offer the same performance but for reasons Rockstar opted for the solid 30fps with no dips.

And the PC version has had another solid year of optimization.

 

[johntown]

Pretty sure they PS4 GPU is equivalent to a GTX 660 so a 750Ti doing better makes sense.

 

[blastprocessor]

I wondered why the fan was quieter than usual on the ps4.

 

[Lockjaw333]

Lets be clear, though, the ps4 version currently holds a rock solid 30fps without dips. That requires a frame-rate well above 30fps on average. If it were unlocked I wonder what we'd see? With the 30fps cap it's impossible to know.

Yeah anyone who game son PC knows that to maintain an fps lock, either 30 or 60, you are generally shooting for framerates that slightly exceed that in order to prevent dips before the lock. Its likely that PS4 is doing possibly into the 40s in some spots if it were unlocked.