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[crazyscreenwriter]

didn't Michael Pachter says something about ps3 version having more content on the disc?

In case you haven't noticed he says a lot of things. In my day, young folk called it talking out of there ass.

 

[Pimpbaa]

Did E3 put something funky into GAF's water-supply? What is with the System Warz trolling all over GAF? Geez, give it a rest.

You must be new here. Welcome to NeoGAF!

 

[AdmiralViscen]

Commander of the
H.M.S. Rational

I don't think there's room for us in this thread.

We'll have a nice belly laugh in the fall.

I think you're right.

Maybe I'll get back to BG&E on PS2, or Syphon Filter on PSP.

but teh fanboi

not too long ago didn't you say it would overtake the 360 before the end of this year?

:lol :lol

Is this true?

I think we're well past the point where this Blu-Ray vs. DVD thing could ever be a factor in the current console wars.

Sorry folks, it's over.

Indeed.

 

[siamesedreamer]

If true than Bluray haters be pwned. Oh and theres some cool info about GTA4 multiplayer.

And what happens when the 360 version outsells the PS3 version 5 to 1?

 

[MercuryLS]

Sony's business plan for the PS3 this generation is totally dependent on the HDD being in every console. Sony are looking to sell digital product to the PS3 consumer as well as games. Much like LIVE is now but on a more grand scale. HOME is just the first stage of that.

Just look at the amount of money they are investing into PSN games alone. Phil Harrison said at the E3 press Conference that they had 80 games and service in development for the PSN between now and March (IIRC.

The way that the 360 and the PS3 are approaching the market are fundamentally different.

It's much more important to get the box down to very low pricepoints eventually, the HDD standard prohibits that.

Also many gamers out there don't care about DLC, XBL, PSN, online play, etc. They just want a good system with lots of games at low pricepoints. A HDD to them doesn't matter, hell the Core system would be a solid seller right now if it had a wireless controller and a small mem card packed in.

What's the point of concentrating on DLC when you have a hard time getting systems into people's homes due to problems getting to very very low pricepoints due to the HDD standard? Without a very high installed base, DLC revenue suffers cause there's a smaller base of people to sell that content to. There's a reason why many of these PSN games are being put on Blu Ray as well (Warhawk, LBP, Eccochrome (PSN, Blu Ray, UMD), not everyone goes online or downloads DLC.

 

[Busty]

The 50 million was sort of a loan. Microsoft expects to re-coup their costs via the sales of the GTA IV DLC. Rest assured the 50 million payment came with contractual strings that will see some of that money returned if the DLC doesn't sell well.

Why would I possibly give a flying f*ck whether some huge mullti Billion dollar Corporation got back all their money or not?

 

[RavenFox]

Since part of the GTA4 story is linear, it can be broken into two parts so that 2 discs can be used. You can't go back and redo mission 1, so it's unnecessary on disc 2.

Thats not gta then.

Also this thread went from good discussion to downright silliness. Shouldnt be like this.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

Just wait for Wagglenarok.

 

[Core407]

I think we're well past the point where this Blu-Ray vs. DVD thing could ever be a factor in the current console wars.

Sorry folks, it's over.

And yeah, GTA is still going to sell better on the 360.

Call me when the PS3 has been out for a year and a half and say that it won't matter.

 

[USC-fan]

In case you haven't noticed he says a lot of things. In my day, young folk called it talking out of there ass.

I wouldn't call it that....

 

[FormulaOne]

Sony's business plan for the PS3 this generation is totally dependent on the HDD being in every console. Sony are looking to sell digital product to the PS3 consumer as well as games. Much like LIVE is now but on a more grand scale. HOME is just the first stage of that.

Just look at the amount of money they are investing into PSN games alone. Phil Harrison said at the E3 press Conference that they had 80 games and service in development for the PSN between now and March (IIRC.

The way that the 360 and the PS3 are approaching the market are fundamentally different.

You only need to play Warhawk to see how their philosophies on downloadable games are fundamentally different. Warhawk, a PSN game, is easily one of the best games out there for any console. If you've played it there's no doubt that you're feeling symptoms of withdrawal right now.

 

[Speevy]

Call me when the PS3 has been out for a year and a half and say that it won't matter.

No, I mean the 360 is already well entrenched into its expectedly short life cycle, and developers are committed to it for the long haul. REALLY committed.


It's over.

 

[Mrbob]

I think we're well past the point where this Blu-Ray vs. DVD thing could ever be a factor in the current console wars.

Sorry folks, it's over.

.

I agree. Blu Ray will be needed for the future.

But hey, maybe I'm wrong.

 

[captive]

And what happens when the 360 version outsells the PS3 version 5 to 1?

It wont?

 

[Reilly]

And what happens when the 360 version outsells the PS3 version 5 to 1?

Same thing when the PS2 versions outsold the Xbox versions.


Nothing.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

Where's bish when you need him?

 

[Xeke]

Optical discs are so last gen. Internet!

 

[AdmiralViscen]

Thats not gta then.

Also this thread went from good discussion to downright silliness. Shouldnt be like this.

What the hell are you talking about? You could never replay old missions in GTA.

 

[Core407]

No, I mean the 360 is already well entrenched into its expectedly short life cycle, and developers are committed to it for the long haul. REALLY committed.


It's over.

Developers go where consumers go and the 360 is a disaster in the making. Shoddy production, prehistoric hardware and an online plan that is arguably worse than the free PSN.

 

[Mooreberg]

What the hell? :lol Anyone have a link to info about this? Thats the first time I heard of this.

It's been known for like two years that 360 DVD's have about 7GB available for game data. That said, they knew they were developing this game in a manner that would have to fit on that disc and work without a hard drive from the start. If it was a PS3 game being ported I could see the concern over disc space and how it would work without a hard drive, but 360 has pretty much been the lead sku.

But the people suggesting that swapping discs in a GTA game wouldn't be annoying must not play the games much. GTA is not a linear, FMV-filled JRPG. Remember every time you were out on a boat and you'd get a loading screen between areas of a city? Would you want to change discs every time something like that happened? They'll get it to fit on a 7GB disc.

 

[USC-fan]

okay i found the thread...

Pachter,GTA4 different for consoles
http://www.n4g.com/News-50390.aspx

Analyst Michael Pachter, tells about how he was told/heard that both versions of the upcoming GTA4 for multiple platforms will have differences between each version, he predicts possibly the PS3 version may be longer and have the 360's content already on the disc.

Possibly extra sound tracks (Radio stations), extra side missions, or even little differences like posters on the wall. Like the trailer contains a poster that has a phone that was called the "Nano 360"

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=170032&highlight=Michael+Pachter

i bet the ps3 version will just have more radio content or something stupid like that.

 

[HolyStar]

You guys do know they can just duel layer the disc instead of using 2:lol ?

 

[Kleegamefan]

What the hell? :lol Anyone have a link to info about this? Thats the first time I heard of this.

Its 2007 and this the first time you heard Xbox 360 use 7Gig DVDs??

Other details include the fact that 7GB of the double-layer game DVD media are available for storing game data, and that the HD will be used as a cache for game data.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051101-5510.html

Storage

Early production runs of the Xbox 360 are equipped with a 12x DVD drive, capable of a maximum read rate of 15.9 MB/s.[66][67] The original production DVD drives were manufactured by both LG and Toshiba. Beginning in November 2006, a new model the BenQ VAD6038 was introduced, which is said to run faster than the previous models and, in addition, is much quieter.[66][67][68] Games are stored on standard dual-layer DVD-ROMs with 7 GB of usable space available for game content.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360


Ask any 360 developer here, they will tell you its an 8.5 DL DVD but only 7GB can be used for games (7.05GB, IIRC) and the rest is reserved for "security reasons"


360 DVDs are actually smaller than Xbox1 DVDs....

 

[bud]

this thread got ugly and it all started on this page hell yeah.

gaf :bow

 

[AdmiralViscen]

Developers go where consumers go and the 360 is a disaster in the making. Shoddy production, prehistoric hardware and an online plan that is arguably worse than the free PSN.

Which has nothing to do with the massive returns on their investments that they've been seeing?

This thread really is turned upside down.

Lack of BR isn't going to sink a console that's already bearing down on 10 million units and has the highest attach ratio in videogame history (at this point in life cycle). 360 won't be market leader, it might not even be in second place, but it's sure as hell going to continue to recieve dev support, and that's all that matters for someone who's more into games than E-dickery.

edit: Ugh, just reread this quote. This is exactly what's churning in the background of this thread. It's ridiculous. Peace out dudes

 

[Core407]

You guys do know they can just duel layer the disc instead of using 2:lol ?

It is dual-layered...

 

[Speevy]

Developers go where consumers go and the 360 is a disaster in the making. Shoddy production, prehistoric hardware and an online plan that is arguably worse than the free PSN.

:lol

You keep telling yourself that.

 

[Y2Kev]

Where's bish when you need him?

Slicing open dinosaurs, **** yeah!

 

[crazyscreenwriter]

I agree. Blu Ray will be needed for the future.

But hey, maybe I'm wrong.

I honestly think high capacity optical storage media will be outdated by the next generation. One way or another, everything will be going direct download. Especially as fast as HD storage is dropping in price. I just bought a 500gig external HD for $109...

 

[Deleted member 8095]

Developers go where consumers go and the 360 is a disaster in the making. Shoddy production, prehistoric hardware and an online plan that is arguably worse than the free PSN.

Oh no.

 

[BlueTsunami]

I think we're well past the point where this Blu-Ray vs. DVD thing could ever be a factor in the current console wars.

Sorry folks, it's over.

And yeah, GTA is still going to sell better on the 360.

Lets just hope theres enough surviving 360s come October!

 

[arne]

I realize now the OP used poor etiquette by posting a rumor without "RUMOR" in the thread title. Now that we're up on the 5th or 6th page everybody isn't even going to read the OP.

 

[rollingstart]

page 6 is where this thread started to get ugly.

gaf :bow

yep, I actually thought there were some good arguments in this thread, not every thread needs to turn into people defending their console of choice to the death.

You guys do know they can just duel layer the disc instead of using 2:lol ?

yeah, this has been mentioned for a while now, but dual layered is still around 8.5 gigs, that still might not be enough.

 

[siamesedreamer]

Same thing when the PS2 versions outsold the Xbox versions.


Nothing.

Exactly my point.

 

[Core407]

Which has nothing to do with the massive returns on their investments that they've been seeing?

This thread really is turned upside down.

Lack of BR isn't going to sink a console that's already bearing down on 10 million units and has the highest attach ratio in videogame history (at this point in life cycle). 360 won't be market leader, it might not even be in second place, but it's sure as hell going to continue to recieve dev support, and that's all that matters for someone who's more into games than E-dickery.

The only reason it gets dev support is because the fans buy a title and move on to the next thing a couple weeks later. If the trend continues then yeah, they'll continue to see that support but PS3 will see MORE support once the sales start picking up.

 

[Grecco]

Developers go where consumers go and the 360 is a disaster in the making. Shoddy production, prehistoric hardware and an online plan that is arguably worse than the free PSN.

I wanted to avoid this thread since i got banned in the last GTA one but Whaaat?

 

[Sean*O]

...rumors start from somewhere

Rumor has it you are a paid viral marketer... I guess it must be true then? After all, rumors start from somewhere. Never mind if the rumor was fabricated... we must listen to all rumors and give them all equal consideration. You=teh viral :lol

 

[bud]

hi guyz i hurd that the ps3 only has 29mb of ram, how dey gonna fit all those textures in therr?

 

[Vustadumas]

Big deal, if it's on multiple discs, so be it. I'd get the ps3 version, but I'm interested in the downloadable content on the 360.

 

[Speevy]

Who remembers the first developer to say the 360 DVD was too small?



I believe it was...that guy from Starbreeze.

And the game he was referring to? The Darkness


Which version of the Darkness is better?


Game, set, match.

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

 

[Goldrusher]

We'll see how the 360 version turns out.

 

[Core407]

:lol

You keep telling yourself that.

I think the $6 production cost, 33%+ failure rate and lack of any real next gen components gets the point across.

Microsoft managed to go backwards after the Xbox. HDD & DVD was standard and now we got just DVD standard. :lol

 

[Ravager61]

I honestly think high capacity optical storage media will be outdated by the next generation. One way or another, everything will be going direct download. Especially as fast as HD storage is dropping in price. I just bought a 500gig external HD for $109...

As HD prices drop, game sizes rise. Its a tradeoff that will continue indefinately. I dont see optical media being ousted by the next generation.

 

[AdmiralViscen]

The only reason it gets dev support is because the fans buy a title and move on to the next thing a couple weeks later. If the trend continues then yeah, they'll continue to see that support but PS3 will see MORE support once the sales start picking up.

Your last post really shows your intentions in here. You really aren't worth responding to.

If you seriously think PS3 is going to break 360's record attach rate, good luck in future E-arguments.

Developers go where consumers go and the 360 is a disaster in the making. Shoddy production, prehistoric hardware and an online plan that is arguably worse than the free PSN.

I think the $6 production cost, 33%+ failure rate and lack of any real next gen components gets the point across.

Microsoft managed to go backwards after the Xbox. HDD & DVD was standard and now we got just DVD standard. :lol

Where was that guy who was accusing me of being a PS3 troll? This guy might lack tact, but he's not the only one with this attitude in this topic.

It's pathetic.

 

[rjcc]

key word here: gamesradar


gamesradar.

They're ALWAYS full of shit

 

[MercuryLS]

Developers go where consumers go and the 360 is a disaster in the making. Shoddy production, prehistoric hardware and an online plan that is arguably worse than the free PSN.

:lol

shoddy production? sure, does it make a difference to devs? nope, this is MS's problem. Prehistoric hardware? WHAT? online plan that is worse than PSN? Pft, like you said it's arguable, both have +'s and -'s.

Developers go where the userbase is, that's X360. They also go where 3rd party games sell very well, that's also X360. They also go where the system is showing signs of getting to low pricepoints fast and getting the userbase up quicker, that's also the X360.

 

[Speevy]

but PS3 will see MORE support once the sales start picking up.

Aaaah.....

*nods curiously*

 

[Kleegamefan]

I honestly think high capacity optical storage media will be outdated by the next generation. One way or another, everything will be going direct download. Especially as fast as HD storage is dropping in price. I just bought a 500gig external HD for $109...

cant wait to downlod 20GB+ Xbox 720 games over dsl.....that'll be fun and not time consuming at all....

 

[spwolf]

Liepzeg would be the better show to announce this I believe with all the euro press picking up the info. What I guess will be the final bullet points for the PS3 version: Home trophies & items, Home GTA dedicated space, One disc game, extra audio content and/or better quality (7.1), potentially TouchSense (or whatever it's called now) refined vibration and prob some choosable Sixaxy stuff. If they announced a European PS3/GTA4 bundle that would be huge (they are already packing in another 18+ game with Resistance).

they wont have GTA bundle because they have to pay extra for GTA, so thats beyond the point...

 

[rollingstart]

Who remembers the first developer to say the 360 DVD was too small?



I believe it was...that guy from Starbreeze.

And the game he was referring to? The Darkness


Which version of the Darkness is better?


Game, set, match.

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

360 version is slightly better since it was lead platform, but the PS3 version has more content on it.