Assuming this card will powerful than a 770, this is way powerful than either console. Also considering the source of this info, 2GB VRAM seems like made up stuff.
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GTX 960 specs officially announced, 2.3Tflops, 2GB, 128-bit
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Assuming this card will powerful than a 770, this is way powerful than either console. Also considering the source of this info, 2GB VRAM seems like made up stuff.
I actually do. No matter how powerful the card is, lack of VRAM is going to hurt seriously when it comes to high res textures, resolution or other particle effects.
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Deleted member 17706
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Pretty much. Hasn't AMD been doing 3GB in mid-range stuff since like 2012?
2GB VRAM is really not enough for current-gen console ports. Honestly, 3GB isn't, either.
ElectricKaibutsu
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My 2gb 750ti can hear you guys and it's feeling pretty down about itself.
It's true! I'm in that market.
My first two thoughts also.
There will be a 960 with more vram just like every iteration before it.
IcyRhythms
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I think it also depends on what games you're playing and what settings satisfy you. It's not as if everyone cares about ultra everything with 4x-8xMSAA. Some people are all about performance.
getting a 960 like card with only 2gigs memory is idiotic. Forget about MSAA, this won't even play at high-ultra on a normal 1080p- screen.
You need to upgrade your rig son, it's out of date.
Oh, how lame. 2GB was perfect for last gen stuff but it's become woefully inadequate now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlM3CKXJs5k
edit: especially coming fresh off the 970, which is approaching legendary status.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlM3CKXJs5k
edit: especially coming fresh off the 970, which is approaching legendary status.
What?
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This thing is just unbalanced, though. It has the horsepower to jack up the settings, but not enough memory to run at a decent resolution with high resolution textures, never mind an AA solution.
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Krappadizzle
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You literally said "Shit Card" and nothing else. I understand how Vram works, it's not that this is a "shit card" it's just not as good as Nvidia's high-end cards. Hyperbole everywhere.
Beautiful Ninja
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It should be faster than the GTX 760 its replacing at the 200 dollar price bracket.
Only 1% of Steam users have a 1440p monitor according to the latest Steam Hardware Survey. The plurality is at 1080p at 33% with 768p accounting for nearly 27%. I think there's only about 3% of all users having monitors larger than 1080p period on Steam.
While I'm not a fan of the card itself (GTX 770 owner), it will be adequate for the average PC gamer who despite belief here isn't chasing a locked 60fps with max settings at 1080p or higher in the latest AAA blockbuster. Most people on Steam are playing Dota 2, CS: GO and TF2 which probably run on toasters at this point.
ThoseDeafMutes
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I would seriously wait for benches before saying something like that. Probability of 960 under-performing 760 is ~0%.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Magic 8 ball says "in the range of 230-260". 250 was the 760 launch price. If the 960ti rumours are true there will be another card between it and the 970 and there is a bit of flexibility regarding price ranges there.
Agreed, and also, Nvidia was the first to introduce a 3D graphics accelerator card with a 128-bit bus in 1997 with the NV3, better known as the Riva 128. This was Nvidia's first successful chip/card.
Let's not call names. I'm no computer wizard but I did put a few of my own rigs together. My gtx 760 2gb has no problem playing almost every game at max settings at 1080p. No I'm not referring to future titles but it handles itself great with the games out now. I'm thinking the 128-bit bus is what is crippling this card more so than the 2gb of vram. For an entry level gaming video card I think a lot of people here are getting too worked up, especially when there are normally the same cards with more vram released.
ambientmystic
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The specs of the 960 look really anemic though vs the 760.
The 960 would have to be a super efficient card to beat out the 760 which has almost twice the memory bandwidth (192.3 GB/s vs 112 GB/s), more TMUs (96 vs 64), more CUDA cores (1152 vs 1024) and also the same number of ROPs as compared to the 960.
That's if the specs indicated the "slide" are true.
Seriously though for someone like myself who has a GTX 760 and was eager to upgrade to this theoretical GTX 960, this seems more like a sidegrade than anything else. I'd have to go for the GTX 970 like everyone else instead for a true generational upgrade experience.
Slagheap105
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2gb, 128 bus....
let's wait for benchmarks before dismissing this thing; probably going to be a TI version to fill in the gap between the 970.
let's wait for benchmarks before dismissing this thing; probably going to be a TI version to fill in the gap between the 970.
Beautiful Ninja
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At 250 this card becomes a lot worse value than it already is considering that's right at R9 290 range if you catch one on sale and at the very least in the R9 280X range which should be faster than this card. I'd expect it at 200 dollars and have the rumored 960 Ti at 250 dollars. If it 250 than this would be a real stinker of a card and basically be the R9 285 2.0.
That comparison doesn't even make sense. Different architecture. Ignore 128-bit - look at performance. Otherwise we would have all owned Atari Jaguars.
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With more bit bus as well?
Beautiful Ninja
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Don't Maxwell and Tonga both have some on the fly texture compression which is why even the high end Maxwell cards and the R9 285 were only on 256-bit busses?
There probably will not be a GTX 980 Ti since the 980 is already a fully unlocked / enabled GM204 with none of its cores disabled.
Their next very high-end card will most likely be a Titan II or Titan X (whatever) with 12 GB based on the big fat Maxwell GM200 (perhaps the actual chip will be GM210 in line with Fermi GF110 and Kepler GK110) followed by a cheaper version with less memory called GTX 1080 (or something).
What is less certain is whether or not GM200 is going to be a 3rd generation Maxwell with full DirectX12 / Direct3D12 support in hardware.
Everyone knows that all Kepler and Maxwell GPUs ( I think Fermi also) will support DX12, but this is only Direct3D 11.X in hardware. No graphics card at the moment has full Direct3D 12 features in hardware because Microsoft was or had still been defining that standard with Nvidia and AMD and DirectX12 / 3D12 does not launch on the consumer side until later this year.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Assuming it is merely comparable performance, you will likely have a 960ti coming out as well that acts as an intermediary between 960 and 970.
cheezcake
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Based on previous gens is there a timeframe for when the 960ti is likely to come out? I'm hoping to upgrade to a 4GB 960ti
I quoted somebody who had an issue about the 2gb vram... which is the main complaint from most people reading through this thread.
Ricky Ricardo
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Word on the street was that this is supposed to hit @ $199
powersurge
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Meh I'll be keeping my 560 ti just a little longer. I think I'll wait it out till 6-8gb cards (ones that are fast enough to justify that much vram of course. Gotta have that Ultra Mordor) hit around $300 or so. Hopefully by the time that happens my i5-4670 isn't a bottleneck lol.
Omnii-chan
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Should be at least 3GB/ 192 bit. Fuck that.
Do most games still only require 2gb? I guess the majority of games from 2013 and below use under that. But this seems like a bad investment for future gaming, regardless of performance.
Or are most 2014/15 releases still under 2gb?
I'm planning on upgrading in 3 months. I have two GTX 680s SLI 2gb. Thinking it has to be more than 4gb.
Edit: I guess resolution matters. So I guess to add to my question above, are most games in 2014/15 under 2gb at 1080p?
ThoseDeafMutes
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Not really. It varies each time slightly. I would anticipate a Feb release if it exists but that's just tales from my anus.
texhnolyze
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I was just asking, tbh. Will there be a 256bit version of it?
I really considered upgrading my current gpu with 960, but 2gb and 128bit combination just would be a downgrade from it.
Ricky Ricardo
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To be completely honest, I don't feel safe heading into 2015 with 2GB of VRAM. The Division, The Witcher 3, Batman: Arkham Knight, Battlefront III, and on will likely need more than that.
However, I am supremely curious to see how the AIBs differ and what benchmarks look like for this card. If worse come to worse, I'll just get a 970. I don't have the patience to keep hopping around for a 960ti.
Yeah. I want to stay Nvidia and am not sure which model to get to SLI. Price doesnt matter. Although the Titans seem overkill. Well maybe not. Plan on eventually getting a 4K monitor this year.
So I know I'll be over 4gb I think. It's been a long time since I've bought PC parts. Haven't kept up so I'm all out of the loop. Better do some research.
SliChillax
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Shame on you Nvidia for 2GB and 128bit bus. What a let down even though I already have a 970 I'm still disappointed.
IcyRhythms
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So, everyone who is on a budget and wants to go with NVIDIA is idiotic. Got it. This will play games at 1080p just fine. Some things will have to be turned down to medium and high, but it's all about performance for some gamers. They don't want to spend more than $200 on a card that has the power to set games they'll likely never play to ultra.
RumblingRosco
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My 1 GB 560 Ti feels like a real schmuck right now. But, the 960 was what I was expecting to be upgrading to but... It seems like I will wait for something else mid-range.
Well that's a fair point. Every company needs a budget model. Even with settings dialed back it can still be better than consoles.