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[joelseph]

Heroin doesn't have killer withdrawals?

Alcohol, Opiates and Benzos withdraw with kill a person. Opiates are often prescribed as an alternative to heroin. So in a way, yes, heroin withdraw can kill you but from the opiate portion of the treatment.

 

[segasonic]

Alcohol withdraw for an alcoholic is very serious. Perhaps you should stop getting your drug education from movies.

from Wikipedia

The withdrawal syndrome from heroin (the so-called "cold turkey") may begin within 6 to 24 hours of discontinuation of the drug; however, this time frame can fluctuate with the degree of tolerance as well as the amount of the last consumed dose. Symptoms may include:[52] sweating, malaise, anxiety, depression, akathisia, priapism, extra sensitivity of the genitals in females, general feeling of heaviness, excessive yawning or sneezing, tears, rhinorrhea, sleep difficulties (insomnia), cold sweats, chills, severe muscle and bone aches, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, cramps, watery eyes,[53] fever and cramp-like pains and involuntary spasms in the limbs (thought to be an origin of the term "kicking the habit"[54]).

 

[Kano on the Phone]

I guess I'll have to provide a citation for alcohol/heorin withdrawals since many people are doubting me.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...-benzos-and-opiates-withdrawal-might-kill-you

Yes, after long term use, withdrawal from alcohol can kill. Alcohol withdrawal syndrome can take on mild, moderate, or severe forms.

Many people are surprised to learn that in most cases, withdrawal from many opiates is not deadly. Still there are some very important exceptions. Methadone, a long-acting opiate often prescribed as a replacement for heroin can cause death during withdrawal if it's consumed in high enough doses for a long enough period.

What are you arguing? Who said alcohol can't have bad withdrawals?

 

[agrajag]

I don't know, I have to drink a shitload of alcohol for it to mess me up as much as some other drugs.

 

[Scrabble]

The worse are the people who go "weed? I don't do drugs" while drowning themselves in xanax and other depression pills.

 

[Courage]

I can get extremely drunk one night and then forget about alcohol for months.

Can you do that with drugs?

It's a genuine question, not trying to provoke here.

Yes.

 

[Trojita]

Yeah but Alcohol is way more delicious than those other drugs.

I take you haven't tried some dank sticky ickie.

 

[joelseph]

What are you arguing? Who said alcohol can't have bad withdrawals?

The argument that you did not originally agree with is

Alcohol withdraw can be lethal while heroin withdraw by itself is not.

 

[ChainedMaster]

I can get extremely drunk one night and then forget about alcohol for months.

Can you do that with drugs?

It's a genuine question, not trying to provoke here.

Yes, you can. In many cases, no different then what you described.

What are you arguing? Who said alcohol can't have bad withdrawals?

I probably worded it badly. I meant lethal withdrawal.

 

[Cizeta-Moroder]

I don't like it when other drugs are pushed as a good thing just because alcohol is "worse". They're all bad enough and ruin lives.

 

[TheChewyWaffles]

Tipping one back in your honor OP. Good post.

 

[baphomet]

Heroin doesn't have killer withdrawals?

I can assure you it does.

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

I did not say that alcohol does not have withdrawal. I said that heroin DOES have withdrawal. And just because something is in a movie, that doesn't mean it is false.

Withdrawal from opiates sucks, but is not lethal. An alcoholic in withdrawal should be monitored in a hospital because it can actually kill.

 

[joelseph]

I don't like it when other drugs are pushed as a good thing just because alcohol is "worse". They're all bad enough and ruin lives.

What if we compare metrics?

Would a drug that doesn't kill anyone be better than a drug that does?

 

[Abounder]

What grinds my gears is all the damn marketing and promoting of alcohol on TV and just about everywhere else. With all the problems related to drinking like DUI's and addiction it just makes the brain explode. Then I take a drink

 

[ЯAW]

It is hilarious how acceptable drinking is in our society but you can't take shrooms? Seriously?

One is proven to not only damage your body but destroy lives and families. The other uses psilocin molecules that bind with serotonin receptor sites in the brain and cause the mind to do strange things and scientists aren't quite sure why.

One is illegal, the other is widely accepted as a "good time".

Why is society so ass backwards?

So true. All naturally occurring psychedelics should be legal to consume. It's some bull shit that I have belong to some cult in order to drop some Mescaline.

 

[AbortedWalrusFetus]

Yes, you can. In many cases, no different then what you described.



I probably worded it badly. I meant lethal withdrawal.

How many people have you heard of that can use heroin daily that don't end up in a disaster state in very short time? Even most people on narcotics for pain end up there.

Contrast that to alcohol, where moderate alcohol consumption (2 drinks per day for men, 1 drink per day for women) has been positively linked to health benefits and is practiced world wide.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

Alcohol, Opiates and Benzos withdraw with kill a person. Opiates are often prescribed as an alternative to heroin. So in a way, yes, heroin withdraw can kill you but from the opiate portion of the treatment.

Cool. It takes a big person to admit when you're wrong.

 

[Trojita]

Moderation.

I love alcohol and have only been drunk once in my life. Birthday party and mixed liquor/wine/beer.

Beer and wine are one of life's greatest pleasures if enjoyed in moderation.

Plus we have already a long history of consuming the drug, so it's socially acceptable and great with food. Can't really say that about quick high drugs.

Marijuana not being in history

lol wut

 

[Hunter S.]

That's the difference though. Most of those other drugs are heavily abused CONSISTENTLY. Alcohol is not which is the reason why it barely has a negative stigma.

Depends on the person a lot of people are hardcore alcoholics (do not let this avatar I got from losing a bet fool you). The points are valid but only when defined within a context of how much abuse it takes to make them true. Otherwise, it is just relaying points to achieve an agenda without relaying a true story.

 

[SteveWinwood]

So true. All naturally occurring psychedelics should be legal to consume. It's some bull shit that I have belong to some cult in order to drop some Mescaline.

yes natural stuff should all be legal

 

[Trouble]

Alcohol, Opiates and Benzos withdraw with kill a person. Opiates are often prescribed as an alternative to heroin. So in a way, yes, heroin withdraw can kill you but from the opiate portion of the treatment.

Heroin is an opiate, and withdrawl from it certainly can kill.

 

[entremet]

Marijuana not being in history

lol wut

I wasn't talking about marijuana?

I'm pro legalization on bud. I don't care for the stuff myself personally. I'm pro legalization of all drugs actually.

Since when is marijuana a hard drug lol. I just don't get the OP outrage.

 

[joelseph]

How many people have you heard of that can use heroin daily that don't end up in a disaster state in very short time?
.

We talking injection only? Snorting? What about Oxy? You would be surprised at what people do.

 

[Jobiensis]

I presume he literally meant killer withdrawal, which while true, alcohol withdrawal is really only an issue after years of abuse. Opiates will give you withdrawal symptoms within a couple days of use.

A bit insane to imply alcohol is addictive as opiates.

 

[Liferebooted]

Sounds like the OP wants an excuses to get high

 

[Scott32020]

I agree that it is overlooked because of its legality, but that doesn't mean I want to criminalize it too (i.e. prohibition is bad in general). I liked the recent movie

Spoiler

Flight

since it dealt with the topic of alcoholism.

 

[EsotericManiac]

if you guys knew how whacked out my aunt is from being an alcoholic you'd laugh pretty hard

she legit thinks her daughter (who is like 40 now) is a clone

 

[blame space]

Don't bring the clone people into this.

 

[AbortedWalrusFetus]

We talking injection only? Snorting? What about Oxy? You would be surprised at what people do.

Even non-recreational narcotic use has to be carefully monitored by a doctor for it to be remotely safe to do over any long term period of time. Even with constant physician oversight it often ends up in bad addictions.

That is not the case for moderate alcohol consumption.

 

[Trojita]

I wasn't talking about marijuana?

I'm pro legislation. Since when is marijuana a hard drug lol.

Oh I figured you were including marijuana into it.

Opiates generally have history too, but I'd always consider that fringe. It seems every story that includes it never has it in a positive portrayal.

 

[2real4tv]

So putting stuff in your body not knowing the effects or how it was manufactured is better for you? No thanks I'll stay with my regulated alcohol.

Also if alcohol is a harder why isn't it a subtance abuser first choice?

 

[dont call it a comeback]

if you guys knew how whacked out my aunt is from being an alcoholic you'd laugh pretty hard

she legit thinks her daughter (who is like 40 now) is a clone

that doesn't sound funny at all

 

[entremet]

Oh I figured you were including marijuana into it.

Opiates generally have history too, but I'd always consider that fringe. It seems every story that includes it never has it in a positive portrayal.

Alcohol is way older though. Near Paleolithic times.

 

[joelseph]

if you guys knew how whacked out my aunt is from being an alcoholic you'd laugh pretty hard

she legit thinks her daughter (who is like 40 now) is a clone

I have seen the saddest of sad states people can get in due to alcohol abuse. I personally do not drink because of it.

One of the hardest things to watch is my best friend that is drinking again after being sober for 2 years. He is not back to abusing but just seeing him act differently while inebriated breaks my heart.

 

[ChainedMaster]

How many people have you heard of that can use heroin daily that don't end up in a disaster state in very short time? Even most people on narcotics for pain end up there.

Source for your pain managment statistic? And there are people who can use heroin daily.

http://reason.com/archives/2003/06/01/h/singlepage

Here's an example of a very successful person who use heroin daily.

 

[Trojita]

Alcohol is way older though. Near Paleolithic times.

They were probably burning the bitter herb back then too

 

[StickSoldier]

I wish marijuana was legal instead of alcohol..

 

[EsotericManiac]

that doesn't sound funny at all

well, it's quite sad

 

[HammerOfThor]

I see it all the time, people say "no way would I ever do drugs" then get wasted multiple times a week. It just seems so hypocritical. I've known addicts, and I've heard a mother of an addict say something along the lines of "alcoholism isn't as bad" or "alcoholics live longer than drug addicts". It just boggles my mind that people have such a hard time realizing that alcohol is a hard drug. Alcoholics are drug addicts. It isn't cut and dried that illegal drugs are worse either. It depends which dangers you look at. Alcohol for example:

1) has lethal withdrawals, heroin and many others don't.

2) It destroys your organs, again (pure) opiates are relatively safe for the organs.

3) It is just as intoxicating, if not moreso than many illegal drugs.

4) Even if we were to go by addiction rates, alcohol isn't any special. According to our own government, alcohol is at 15%, cocaine (including crack) at 17% and heroin at 23%. In my opinion, illegal drug rates would be inflated, since it takes a special interest in these drugs to try them in a first place. eg. many people who try heroin are already addicted to opiates, giving it a bias, inflated addiction rate.

The point is, if you're going to be slamming drugs because they "ruin lives " and "people who do them are stupid", at least practice what you preach. Or at the very least, get off your high horse.

How so?

I'm not doubting you, but I read it in another thread and I'm genuinely curious to read some articles on it.

 

[entremet]

Source for your pain managment statistic? And there are people who can use heroin daily.

http://reason.com/archives/2003/06/01/h/singlepage

Here's an example of a very successful person who use heroin daily.

I don't get your thesis. Who is on this high horse you speak off?

What if they just have no interest in using the stuff?

 

[Trojita]

I wish marijuana was legal instead of alcohol..

 

[braves01]

I wish marijuana was legal instead of alcohol..

Me too brother, me too

 

[Coffee Dog]

I can get extremely drunk one night and then forget about alcohol for months.

Can you do that with drugs?

It's a genuine question, not trying to provoke here.

Yeah, there's no reason why you wouldn't be able to. Most drugs are far less addictive and withdrawal prone than alcohol.

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

So putting stuff in your body not knowing the effects or how it was manufactured is better for you? No thanks I'll stay with my regulated alcohol.

Also if alcohol is a harder why isn't it a subtance abuser first choice?

Hooooooooly shit dude. I hope you're trolling.

Alcoholism is a huge problem across the globe. It just doesn't get talked about because alcohol is socially acceptable and legal.

 

[Poltergust]

Hey, I'm not hypocritical. I don't touch drugs or alcohol. =P

 

[SteveWinwood]

Hey, I'm not hypocritical. I don't touch drugs or alcohol. =P

am i hypocritical if i do everything

 

[AbortedWalrusFetus]

Source for your pain managment statistic? And there are people who can use heroin daily.

http://reason.com/archives/2003/06/01/h/singlepage

Here's an example of a very successful person who use heroin daily.

I don't have one, but I am sure I could find one considering abuse of prescription drugs is now the most common cause of drug related death. I have anecdotes from my mother-in-law who works for a pain management clinic, and more from family members on pain management. Of course, anecdotes aren't worth much.

And I'm not saying it's impossible to moderately use heroin or narcotics. I'm saying moderate usage of them is an order of magnitude more difficult than it is with alcohol. Edit: And moderate usage of alcohol is linked to health benefits, whereas I do no know of any studies doing the same for heroin or other narcotics.

 

[anarckitty]

Edit: You should have worded that better. Withdrawels that can kill makes more sense.

.

 

[ЯAW]

I wish marijuana was legal instead of alcohol..

Boring drug for boring people.