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[WickedLaharl]

after skimming over this thread i now want a chocolate sunday and a cheeseburger

 

[Wulfer]

Wasn't it only a few months ago that even offhand references to that possibility resulted in a ban until when/if the game was announced? My how times have changed.

That's why it's stupid to try and predict the videogame market even when you owned as much of it as Sony DID! This is not new it has happen before and it will happen again! Thinking Sony would win was stupid until they announced the price and everything went down hill from there! Also, no franchise is safe unless you own them! Sony fans are starting to learn this very painful lesson!

 

[jimbo]

They can pretty much count on outselling it by about 60,000 units a month in Japan for the foreseeable future, unless Eternal Sonata and Lost Odyssey do wonders. So they would need to pull even in America and outsell it by another 120,000 units in Europe to catch the 360 by December 2010.

And people wonder why people predict a third place finish for the PS3.

Yep. And on top of that, the PS3 sold 120k last month in the US, the largest videogame market which means....it will likely never even sell 120k a month in Europe in the upcoming months let alone outsell anything by that number(not counting launch month of course).

PS: Low blow coming: Last year I figured for the 360 to have a chance at beating the PS3, it would take it outselling the PS3 by a large difference in the US to counter how much the PS3 would outsell it in Japan.....fast forward to today...you could almost make a case Canada is almost enough for the 360 to neutralize the PS3's Japanese advantage

 

[Forgotten Ancient]

That's why it's stupid to try and predict the videogame market even when you owned as much of it as Sony DID! This is not new it has happen before and it will happen again! Thinking Sony would win was stupid until they announced the price and everything went down hill from there! Also, no franchise is safe unless you own them! Sony fans are starting to learn this very painful lesson!

You're Right!

 

[AniHawk]

You're Right!

Exclamation mark!

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

Yep. And on top of that, the PS3 sold 120k last month in the US, the largest videogame market which means....it will likely never even sell 120k a month in Europe in the upcoming months let alone outsell anything by that number(not counting launch month of course).

PS: Low blow coming: Last year I figured for the 360 to have a chance at beating the PS3, it would take it outselling the PS3 by a large difference in the US to counter how much the PS3 would outsell it in Japan.....fast forward to today...you could almost make a case Canada is almost enough for the 360 to neutralize the PS3's Japanese advantage

I'm flattered, but we're too small for that. Plus, the 360 really isn't selling too much better up here.

 

[Forgotten Ancient]

Exclamation mark!

!!!

 

[Link316]

Also, no franchise is safe unless you own them! Sony fans are starting to learn this very painful lesson!

how is it painful? or are you one of those people that won't buy a game unless its exclusive?

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

how is it painful? or are you one of those people that won't buy a game unless its exclusive?

I dunno, I'd tend to agree with you, but that eighty-hojillion page thread about DMC4 is hanging out near the garbage bin over there smoking cigarettes.

Clearly there is pain. Ought there to be? I really don't think so, but it's all so subjective.

 

[Mar]

I don't think people understand just HOW hard that is because so many people think in monthly terms.

So let's take it a step further and break it down monthly.

December 2008 is 20 months from now.

8 million/ 20 months = 400,000

The PS3 would have to outsell it begining next month by 400,000 a month to catch it by Dec 2008.

By Dec 2009? by 250,000 a month.

Dec 2010? by 181,000 a month

People don't understand the mathematics behind it until it's thrust in their faces. They just think it takes a couple of good months to sway the tide. The fact is, the PS3 is looking at third place and it would take a miracle for it to change.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

by who? people here was ecpecting the ps3 to overtake the 360 within 6 month of sales!

At that price, I just found it difficult to visualize the PS3 overtaking the X360's userbase that quick in the US. I suppose Sony was crazy enough to expect otherwise, but I am surprised alot of gamers expected the PS3 to just shoot by the X360 when it was considerably more expensive with much less software. People were already complaining about the $400 price tag of the X360 being way too expensive, so I didn't expect a miracle from Sony even with their proverbial performance in the industry. Wow, guess I was in the minority. I think Sony's will see a significant increase in sales when the console hits $400, but the problem is the competition will inevitably drop their prices as well. Also, I don't expect or never expected any great sales out of Europe either with an increase to an already expensive price.

 

[Forgotten Ancient]

how is it painful? or are you one of those people that won't buy a game unless its exclusive?

Well, as silly as it may seem for some, a lot of people have an emotional attachment to gaming companies not totally unlike those who are fans of a specific sports team. If something's been making you happy for a long time, it does sting a little when things start to go sour. Just ask Sega fans - Or Nintendo fans in the N64/Gamecube era.

 

[Diatribe1974]

They can pretty much count on outselling it by about 60,000 units a month in Japan for the foreseeable future, unless Eternal Sonata and Lost Odyssey do wonders. So they would need to pull even in America and outsell it by another 120,000 units in Europe to catch the 360 by December 2010.

And people wonder why people predict a third place finish for the PS3.

Hype factor/Word of Mouth/ect aside, I will continue to stand by my opinion that because people are cheap, the Wii will have a HUGE motivating factor going for it that no other current gen system has for it: 250$ vs Everyone Else. The fact that the Wii is also a fun system to play that ALSO has a huge freight train of hype/word of mouth, coupled with the lowest price on top of it, helps to pump out frighteningly impressive sales.

At the current rate (barring any price drops, changes in buying attitudes), the Wii will win (odd how that wording worked out) this generation. The 360 will come in 2nd and the PS3 a distant 3rd. I've long since predicted the Wii will catch up & surpass the 360 by Xmas 07 (includes all of Xmas 07 to do it). This is, naturally, assuming that no one else drops their price (which is hard to believe) & also that Nintendo doesn't have a horrifying enough software drought like we had last gen to help let the Xbox1 pull ahead enough to secure the 2nd place slot.

Folks can cite the previous generation sales figures & quote price points for the systems then, but let's be perfectly honest here folks: 299$ PS2. 299$ Xbox1. 149$ Gamecube. The prices were FAR closer at the beginning than they are now. 599$ PS3. 399$ 360. 249$ Wii. What happens when Sony & Microsoft drops 100$? Nintendo counters with a 50$ cut. Then we have: Sony: 499$. Microsoft: 299$. Nintendo: 199$. Still HUGE amounts of money when the average joe walks into their local Wal-Mart. And it's that Average Joe that is what buys 75% of your consoles. It's called "Impulse Buyers". It's low enough that folks of all ages start to buy them. Not folks with more padded wallets. It's low enough to get "Little Jimmy" one so he and his sistem "Sister Susie" no longer fight over who has "Wii Playtime". You think the Wii is selling well now?

Just wait till it drops down to 199$. The same goes with the 360. Drop the premium down to 299$ (fat chance I know) & it picks up a new life of it's own....all because they both are now into NEW price point ranges for folks. Alot of folks who were "Fence Sitters" start to make up their minds.

Sorry for the wall of text.

D.

 

[FitzOfRage]

I'm feeling that this will go on all year. :lol I have never laughed so often on the gaming forum.....well......ever.

Keep it up guys. Yep, everyone expected Wii to outsell the PS3. To argue otherwise is foolish.

Yes. And I'm sure if we looked back right before the Wii launch at any of the many threads that talked about the price, everyone would be in agreement that Nintendo clearly picked the perfect price to outpace the competition ( pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! )

 

[OokieSpookie]

how is it painful? or are you one of those people that won't buy a game unless its exclusive?

It is painful because as it has been said over and over that Sony needs to sell units and Sony does not have the first party names to sell systems.
Heavenly Sword looks amazing, but to those that dont have a PS3 it is a non issue, Resistance, amazing multiplayer but those that do not own a PS3 do not know and do not care, the Naughty Dog game, Ratchet and Clank, Little Big Planet are all going to be awsome games but to those that do not own a PS3 it is non news and nobody cares.
Sony does not have a Halo, and they are too stupid to know how to market a game properly to create one.
If someone does not own a PS3 and a game is out for 360 and PS3 the customer will go for the cheapest option.
Of course Xsnots are going to say that multiconsole is no big deal.
The only think that is selling PS3 systems right now is BLURAY.
Sony has to move consoles in the next six months in a major way and without MGS4, FFXIII, and FFvsXIII they will not sell consoles.
God of War 3 will be great, but at this rate it will be on an over glorified movie player.

 

[mrklaw]

People don't understand the mathematics behind it until it's thrust in their faces. They just think it takes a couple of good months to sway the tide. The fact is, the PS3 is looking at third place and it would take a miracle for it to change.

Its relying not just on its sales growing, but also those of the 360 dropping to acheive exactly the kinds of numbers being illustrated.

Anything is possible by the way - PS2 didn't get off to a fantastic start and look where that ended up

 

[Forgotten Ancient]

It is painful because as it has been said over and over that Sony needs to sell units and Sony does not have the first party names to sell systems.
Heavenly Sword looks amazing, but to those that dont have a PS3 it is a non issue, Resistance, amazing multiplayer but those that do not own a PS3 do not know and do not care, the Naughty Dog game, Ratchet and Clank, Little Big Planet are all going to be awsome games but to those that do not own a PS3 it is non news and nobody cares.
Sony does not have a Halo, and they are too stupid to know how to market a game properly to create one.
If someone does not own a PS3 and a game is out for 360 and PS3 the customer will go for the cheapest option.
Of course Xsnots are going to say that multiconsole is no big deal.
The only think that is selling PS3 systems right now is BLURAY.
Sony has to move consoles in the next six months in a major way and without MGS4, FFXIII, and FFvsXIII they will not sell consoles.
God of War 3 will be great, but at this rate it will be on an over glorified movie player.

whoa. I feel sorry for your loss.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

It is painful because as it has been said over and over that Sony needs to sell units and Sony does not have the first party names to sell systems.
Heavenly Sword looks amazing, but to those that dont have a PS3 it is a non issue, Resistance, amazing multiplayer but those that do not own a PS3 do not know and do not care, the Naughty Dog game, Ratchet and Clank, Little Big Planet are all going to be awsome games but to those that do not own a PS3 it is non news and nobody cares.
Sony does not have a Halo, and they are too stupid to know how to market a game properly to create one.
If someone does not own a PS3 and a game is out for 360 and PS3 the customer will go for the cheapest option.
Of course Xsnots are going to say that multiconsole is no big deal.
The only think that is selling PS3 systems right now is BLURAY.
Sony has to move consoles in the next six months in a major way and without MGS4, FFXIII, and FFvsXIII they will not sell consoles.
God of War 3 will be great, but at this rate it will be on an over glorified movie player.

'Xsnots'... :lol that one is new to me, actually. That's way funnier than Xbots.

 

[beanoboy7]

amazon is a horrible way to tell total sales. afai remember, ps3 has always done modestly on amazon (while its still in stock, at least). it really seems like ps3 does well online while in retail...not so much.

No Tax on Amazon.com.....thats why:lol

 

[ethelred]

It is painful because as it has been said over and over that Sony needs to sell units and Sony does not have the first party names to sell systems.
Heavenly Sword looks amazing, but to those that dont have a PS3 it is a non issue, Resistance, amazing multiplayer but those that do not own a PS3 do not know and do not care, the Naughty Dog game, Ratchet and Clank, Little Big Planet are all going to be awsome games but to those that do not own a PS3 it is non news and nobody cares.
Sony does not have a Halo, and they are too stupid to know how to market a game properly to create one.
If someone does not own a PS3 and a game is out for 360 and PS3 the customer will go for the cheapest option.
Of course Xsnots are going to say that multiconsole is no big deal.
The only think that is selling PS3 systems right now is BLURAY.
Sony has to move consoles in the next six months in a major way and without MGS4, FFXIII, and FFvsXIII they will not sell consoles.
God of War 3 will be great, but at this rate it will be on an over glorified movie player.

Okay, I've gotta ask -- have you ever owned a system other than the PlayStation and PlayStation 2? Because your post is really cracking me up. Welcome, uh, to reality, I guess?

 

[Vilix]

People don't understand the mathematics behind it until it's thrust in their faces. They just think it takes a couple of good months to sway the tide. The fact is, the PS3 is looking at third place and it would take a miracle for it to change.

Well, during the Xmas shopping season there is a dramatic surge in sales. This when the PS3 sales will shine. But so will the Wii, 360, and the PS2.

My point is that not only will the PS3 need to increase in sales, but the competition will need to decrease in sales considerably for the PS3 to catch up in any reasonable amount of time.

IMHO Sony has not shown mainstream consumers why they should pay the additional $200.

 

[Jammy]

Its relying not just on its sales growing, but also those of the 360 dropping to acheive exactly the kinds of numbers being illustrated.

Anything is possible by the way - PS2 didn't get off to a fantastic start and look where that ended up

What?

PS2 got off to a torrid start. It sold like crazy in its first months and its demand was great. I remember entering a raffle at my local Meijer just to get one. And as is stated in the Japan sales thread every week, PS2 sold like in two weeks over there what the PS3 has total now.

I don't think a lot of people even remember the PS2's launch. The PS2 had shittier launch games than the Wii, too, and nobody complained back then. It wasn't until Q3 or 4 the next year that stuff like MGS4 and GTAIII came. Before that, freaking Madden and SSX were selling the systems.

 

[Mar]

Its relying not just on its sales growing, but also those of the 360 dropping to acheive exactly the kinds of numbers being illustrated.

Anything is possible by the way - PS2 didn't get off to a fantastic start and look where that ended up

I think the only real comparison we can make to previous generations. Is Genesis vs SNES. That was a pretty similar situation. It wasn't until the very end of the war that you could make an assumption over who won. But you could still split it up in territories for each system.

But there are two big differences with PS3 vs *. And that is there is a third competitor outselling everyone else. And PS3s huge price tag. Personaly, I think a third place for PS3 is a given.

 

[Jammy]

Reason is that PS3 was not available at Amazon at all (only through 3rd party) until last few days ago, which is why it has jumped to 11th place.

Endless articles from kiddie blogs like punchjump were quite funny to read - "PS3 drops from top 100 at Amazon" , all the while you could not actually buy PS3 from Amazon.com :lol

Can you explain to me why the Wii is always in the top five then and still remains out of stock?

 

[OokieSpookie]

Okay, I've gotta ask -- have you ever owned a system other than the PlayStation and PlayStation 2? Because your post is really cracking me up. Welcome, uh, to reality, I guess?

I actually hated the original playstation, was hardcore Sega fan and also have mad love for the Neo Geo.
All and all I have owned every game system from the Atari 2600 up through the PS3 (skipping the gamecube though which the PS3 is kind of starting to remind me of)
I like the wii, and I do like the 360, but I also think that multiconsole games are going to be the death of console gaming.

 

[Forgotten Ancient]

What?

PS2 got off to a torrid start. It sold like crazy in its first months and its demand was great. I remember entering a raffle at my local Meijer just to get one. And as is stated in the Japan sales thread every week, PS2 sold like in two weeks over there what the PS3 has total now.

I don't think a lot of people even remember the PS2's launch. The PS2 had shittier launch games than the Wii, too, and nobody complained back then. It wasn't until Q3 or 4 the next year that stuff like MGS4 and GTAIII came. Before that, freaking Madden and SSX were selling the systems.

I entered a raffle at the Meijer I worked at too - I didn't win

 

[Haunted]

Yes. And I'm sure if we looked back right before the Wii launch at any of the many threads that talked about the price, everyone would be in agreement that Nintendo clearly picked the perfect price to outpace the competition ( pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! )

:lol I love checking back in older threads to see how reactions were and predictions turned out. The thread you linked to alone... so much crow to eat by some people.

 

[Oblivion]

Hype factor/Word of Mouth/ect aside, I will continue to stand by my opinion that because people are cheap

I dunno. If anything, I think it's the opposite. People will spend a shitload on several things, T.V.s, computers, etc. It's not that they're 'cheap', but that many don't value a video game system to be worth too much.

 

[Forgotten Ancient]

I actually hated the original playstation, was hardcore Sega fan and also have mad love for the Neo Geo.
All and all I have owned every game system from the Atari 2600 up through the PS3 (skipping the gamecube though which the PS3 is kind of starting to remind me of)
I like the wii, and I do like the 360, but I also think that multiconsole games are going to be the death of console gaming.

Can you please flesh out your reasoning on why you believe this to be true?

 

[ethelred]

I actually hated the original playstation, was hardcore Sega fan and also have mad love for the Neo Geo.
All and all I have owned every game system from the Atari 2600 up through the PS3 (skipping the gamecube though which the PS3 is kind of starting to remind me of)
I like the wii, and I do like the 360, but I also think that multiconsole games are going to be the death of console gaming.

Okay, if you were a hardcore Sega fan, then what are you bitching about? If you could deal with the Sega CD, Saturn, and Dreamcast debacles, why are you freaking out so much about the PS3? And the Neo Geo, even? C'mon.

 

[JCBossman]

It like I've always said, John Q.Public, Joe "Sixpack", John Doe, Sister Sally, and little Jimmy,not to mention Baby "M", wait, I forgot what I was going to say...

 

[Il Comodino]

It is painful because as it has been said over and over that Sony needs to sell units and Sony does not have the first party names to sell systems.
Heavenly Sword looks amazing, but to those that dont have a PS3 it is a non issue, Resistance, amazing multiplayer but those that do not own a PS3 do not know and do not care, the Naughty Dog game, Ratchet and Clank, Little Big Planet are all going to be awsome games but to those that do not own a PS3 it is non news and nobody cares.
Sony does not have a Halo, and they are too stupid to know how to market a game properly to create one.
If someone does not own a PS3 and a game is out for 360 and PS3 the customer will go for the cheapest option.
Of course Xsnots are going to say that multiconsole is no big deal.
The only think that is selling PS3 systems right now is BLURAY.
Sony has to move consoles in the next six months in a major way and without MGS4, FFXIII, and FFvsXIII they will not sell consoles.
God of War 3 will be great, but at this rate it will be on an over glorified movie player.

You forget Gran Turismo, that sell more than Halo and sell well in all the 3 continents.

Name Console Publisher Japan America Others Total
Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec Sony 1.89 7.11 5.84 ----14.84
Gran Turismo 4 Sony 1.09 2.49 4.52 -------------8.10

Halo 2 Microsoft 0.11 6.11 1.67-------------------- 7.89
Halo Microsoft 0.10 4.91 1.42 ----------------------6.43

 

[Dragona Akehi]

It is painful because as it has been said over and over that Sony needs to sell units and Sony does not have the first party names to sell systems.
Heavenly Sword looks amazing, but to those that dont have a PS3 it is a non issue, Resistance, amazing multiplayer but those that do not own a PS3 do not know and do not care, the Naughty Dog game, Ratchet and Clank, Little Big Planet are all going to be awsome games but to those that do not own a PS3 it is non news and nobody cares.
Sony does not have a Halo, and they are too stupid to know how to market a game properly to create one.***
If someone does not own a PS3 and a game is out for 360 and PS3 the customer will go for the cheapest option.
Of course Xsnots are going to say that multiconsole is no big deal.
The only think that is selling PS3 systems right now is BLURAY.
Sony has to move consoles in the next six months in a major way and without MGS4, FFXIII, and FFvsXIII they will not sell consoles.
God of War 3 will be great, but at this rate it will be on an over glorified movie player.

I'm sure Ken appreciates your very personal meltdown.

***edit: HOW IN THE HELL DID I MISS THAT ONE? Oh lord, it really is 1997!

 

[Forgotten Ancient]

You forget Gran Turismo, that sell more than Halo and sell well in all the 3 continents.

Name Console Publisher Japan America Others Total
Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec Sony 1.89 7.11 5.84 ----14.84
Gran Turismo 4 Sony 1.09 2.49 4.52 -------------8.10

Halo 2 Microsoft 0.11 6.11 1.67-------------------- 7.89
Halo Microsoft 0.10 4.91 1.42 ----------------------6.43

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[jimbo]

Hype factor/Word of Mouth/ect aside, I will continue to stand by my opinion that because people are cheap, the Wii will have a HUGE motivating factor going for it that no other current gen system has for it: 250$ vs Everyone Else. The fact that the Wii is also a fun system to play that ALSO has a huge freight train of hype/word of mouth, coupled with the lowest price on top of it, helps to pump out frighteningly impressive sales.

At the current rate (barring any price drops, changes in buying attitudes), the Wii will win (odd how that wording worked out) this generation. The 360 will come in 2nd and the PS3 a distant 3rd. I've long since predicted the Wii will catch up & surpass the 360 by Xmas 07 (includes all of Xmas 07 to do it). This is, naturally, assuming that no one else drops their price (which is hard to believe) & also that Nintendo doesn't have a horrifying enough software drought like we had last gen to help let the Xbox1 pull ahead enough to secure the 2nd place slot.

Folks can cite the previous generation sales figures & quote price points for the systems then, but let's be perfectly honest here folks: 299$ PS2. 299$ Xbox1. 149$ Gamecube. The prices were FAR closer at the beginning than they are now. 599$ PS3. 399$ 360. 249$ Wii. What happens when Sony & Microsoft drops 100$? Nintendo counters with a 50$ cut. Then we have: Sony: 499$. Microsoft: 299$. Nintendo: 199$. Still HUGE amounts of money when the average joe walks into their local Wal-Mart. And it's that Average Joe that is what buys 75% of your consoles. It's called "Impulse Buyers". It's low enough that folks of all ages start to buy them. Not folks with more padded wallets. It's low enough to get "Little Jimmy" one so he and his sistem "Sister Susie" no longer fight over who has "Wii Playtime". You think the Wii is selling well now?

Just wait till it drops down to 199$. The same goes with the 360. Drop the premium down to 299$ (fat chance I know) & it picks up a new life of it's own....all because they both are now into NEW price point ranges for folks. Alot of folks who were "Fence Sitters" start to make up their minds.

Sorry for the wall of text.

D.

I disagree with you and here's why. I've explained this before.

In simple terms, what's the main reason most people agree why a system wins? "The games" + "mass market" price. Right?

1.The Wii, as is already pretty clear will miss half of that equation. The main series in the most popular franchises will be on PS3/360. Wii will get side-stories and in some cases seriously stripped down ports.

2. Mass market price. The Wii is here. It started with this. If all things are equal, then the generated sales caused by price once ALL systems are at mass market price will not be the major deciding factor anymore: See GC, DC, Xbox.

In there words the Wii's current price advantage is not simply because it's $50-$150 cheaper, but rather because its price of $250 is below a certain price barrier while the rest are above it.

It's the 360 and PS3 that are pricing THEMSELVES out of the reach of the masses.

So currently, yes Wii has a HUGE price advantage. However, once the 360/PS3 drop to $299 and $199, it won't help the Wii as much even if it is only $199 and $99 respectively.

In all honesty the Wii is having a FANTASTIC start. It's truly incredible. But people forget to think about these basic things in the long term. A fast sales start still doesn't make the Wii any more powerfull although judging by some threads, some Nintendo fans do seem to think that.

 

[Mrbob]

PS3 makes a comeback as soon as Blu Ray finishes off HD DVD.

Xbox 360 and Wii may win the battle this year, but if PS3 helps Blu Ray become the hi def movie format of choice by the end of 2007, it doesn't matter. PS3 wins.

But Blu Ray needs to take out HD DVD first, otherwise PS3 may be the most spectacular console failure of all time.

 

[OokieSpookie]

Can you please flesh out your reasoning on why you believe this to be true?

With multiconsole games , it is very rare for the same amount of effort into all versions.
One is the main , and the others are usually unoptimized ports meant to pull in whatever extra money they can.
There are times where a company will have different dev studios take care of the different versions but all and all it is still a rarity.
Part of what made the Nintendo vs sega days and even after playstation was introduced was that each system had its own pool of games and it would force devs to be more creative and do more.
(Of course there were mountains of crap released also)

 

[Forgotten Ancient]

I disagree with you and here's why. I've explained this before.

In simple terms, what's the main reason most people agree why a system wins? "The games" + "mass market" price. Right?

1.The Wii, as is already pretty clear will miss half of that equation. The main series in the most popular franchises will be on PS3/360. Wii will get side-stories and in some cases seriously stripped down ports.

2. Mass market price. The Wii is here. It started with this. If all things are equal, then the generated sales caused by price once ALL systems are at mass market price will not be the major deciding factor anymore: See GC, DC, Xbox.

In there words the Wii's current price advantage is not simply because it's $50-$150 cheaper, but rather because its price of $250 is below a certain price barrier while the rest are above it.

It's the 360 and PS3 that are pricing THEMSELVES out of the reach of the masses.

So currently, yes Wii has a HUGE price advantage. However, once the 360/PS3 drop to $299 and $199, it won't help the Wii as much eve if it only $199 and $99 respectively.

In all honesty the Wii is having a FANTASTIC start. It's truly incredible. But people forget to think about these basic things in the long term. A fast sales start still doesn't make the Wii any more powerfull although judging by some threads, some Nintendo fans do seem to think that.

Really?

I feel like piecing together a long winded reply, but it clearly would fall on deaf ears if you were capable of beleiving what you just typed is true. Not that my opinion is any better than yours, but it certainly feels better.

 

[Dragona Akehi]

With multiconsole games , it is very rare for the same amount of effort into all versions.
One is the main , and the others are usually unoptimized ports meant to pull in whatever extra money they can.
There are times where a company will have different dev studios take care of the different versions but all and all it is still a rarity.
Part of what made the Nintendo vs sega days and even after playstation was introduced was that each system had its own pool of games and it would force devs to be more creative and do more.
(Of course there were mountains of crap released also)

 

[jimbo]

Really?

I feel like piecing together a long winded reply, but it clearly would fall on deaf ears if you were capable of beleiving what you just typed is true. Not that my opinion is any better than yours, but it certainly feels better.

Yes I do and I'm also sure that you feel Nintendo's first party games are "elite" games that no one else matches.

 

[Forgotten Ancient]

Yes I do and I'm also sure that you feel Nintendo's first party games are "elite" games that no one else matches.

Negative. Please try again.

 

[Haunted]

Can't wait for Sony to regain the throne in 2016.

 

[ethelred]

Yes I do and I'm also sure that you feel Nintendo's first party games are "elite" games that no one else matches.

I think what he's saying is that given the stats of sales trending right now, your remark is... well, remarkably premature and likely to be proven outright false within the year. If you can't see that plenty of major franchises are going to head to the Wii, then, well, I dunno, maybe you should rethink that.

So currently, yes Wii has a HUGE price advantage. However, once the 360/PS3 drop to $299 and $199, it won't help the Wii as much even if it is only $199 and $99 respectively.

In all honesty the Wii is having a FANTASTIC start. It's truly incredible. But people forget to think about these basic things in the long term. A fast sales start still doesn't make the Wii any more powerfull although judging by some threads, some Nintendo fans do seem to think that.

You're right, the Wii's price won't be as big an advantage when the 360 get to 299$ or 199$ (the PS3's not going to be there any time soon). But what will be an advantage by that point is the arrival of games made as a result of its incredible sales right now.

What you seem to be ignoring is that the one constant we've seen play out every single time in console history is that a strong userbase (early or otherwise) leads to more games being developed (often high priority ones), which lead to more userbase increases which lead to more games.

When those games arrive, and as they continue to arrive, people aren't just going to abandon the console.

EDIT: Also, out of curiousity, you're the guy that thinks the 360's going to sell something like 3 million in Japan, right?

 

[Forgotten Ancient]

So, would you say the life-cycle made a 360?

 

[KINGMOKU]

This thread turned worthless/stupid as soon as someone mentioned that no one expected the PS3 to outsell...yada, yada, yada"

That is a complete lie. Anyway you slice it. Everyone thought the PS3 was going to maul everything on the market pre-E3. MAUL. After E3 some jokes were had, but leading up to launch, the same feelings, although slightly less excited were still in the air.


No one on this planet expected the PS3 to perform as badly as it has in Japan, even at it's bloated pricetag.

NO ONE could have envisioned the PS3 getting out sold by the GBA after the holidays in the States.


Now thats it has happened, some revisionist history seems to be happening. Thankfully we have piles of threads to wade thru, and I am SURE someone will do it to see the proclamations of death for Microsoft/Nintendo when the PS3 hit everyones shores.

 

[Bad_Boy]

Don't call it a comeback
I been here for years
Rockin my peers and puttin suckas in fear
Makin the tears rain down like a MON-soon
Listen to the bass go BOOM
Explosion, overpowerin
Over the competition, I'm towerin
Wreckin shop, when I drop these lyrics that'll make you call the cops
Don't you dare stare, you betta move
Don't ever compare
Me to the rest that'll all get sliced and diced
Competition's payin the price

[Chorus:]

I'm gonna knock you out (HUUUH!!!)
Mama said knock you out (HUUUH!!!)
[REPEAT 4X]

Don't u call this a regular jam
I'm gonna rock this land
I'm gonna take this itty bitty world by storm
And I'm just gettin warm
Just like Muhummad Ali they called him Cassius
Watch me bash this beat like a skull
Cuz u know I had beef wit
Why do u riff with me, the maniac psycho
And when I pull out my jammy get ready cuz it might go
BLAAAAW, how ya like me now?
The river will not allow
U to get with, Mr. Smith, dont riff
Listen to my gear shift
I'm blastin, outlastin
Kinda like Shaft, so u could say I'm shaftin
Old English filled my mind
And I came up with a funky rhyme

[Chorus]
[LL]

Breakdown!!!

Shadow boxin when I heard you on the radio (HUUUH!!!)
I just don't know
What made you forget that I was raw?
But now I got a new tour
I'm goin insane, startin the hurricane, releasin pain
Lettin you know that you can't gain, I maintain
Unless ya say my name
Rippin, killin
Diggin and drillin a hole
Pass the Ol' Gold

[Chorus]

Shotgun blasts are heard
When I rip and kill, at WILL
The man of the hour, tower of power, I'll devour
I'm gonna tie you up and let you understand
that I'm not your average man
when I got a jammy in my hand
DAAAAAM!!!!! Oooooohh!!
Listen to the way I slaaaaay, your crew
Damage (UHH) damage (UHH) damage (UHH) damage
Destruction, terror, and mayhem
Pass me a sissy so suckas I'll slay him
Farmers (What!!!) Farmers (What!!!)
I'm ready (we're ready!!!)
I think I'm gonna bomb a town (get down!!)
Don't u neva, eva, pull my lever
Cuz I explode
And my nine is easy to load
I gotta thank God
Cuz he gave me the strength to rock
HARD!! knock you out, mama said knock you out

[Chorus]

 

[Haunted]

This thread turned worthless/stupid as soon as someone mentioned that no one expected the PS3 to outsell...yada, yada, yada"

That is a complete lie. Anyway you slice it. Everyone thought the PS3 was going to maul everything on the market pre-E3. MAUL. After E3 some jokes were had, but leading up to launch, the same feelings, although slightly less excited were still in the air.


No one on this planet expected the PS3 to perform as badly as it has in Japan, even at it's bloated pricetag.

NO ONE could have envisioned the PS3 getting out sold by the GBA after the holidays in the States.


Now thats it has happened, some revisionist history seems to be happening. Thankfully we have piles of threads to wade thru, and I am SURE someone will do it to see the proclamations of death for Microsoft/Nintendo when the PS3 hit everyones shores.

'I saw it coming.'

 

[HocusPocus]

PS3 makes a comeback as soon as Blu Ray finishes off HD DVD.

Xbox 360 and Wii may win the battle this year, but if PS3 helps Blu Ray become the hi def movie format of choice by the end of 2007, it doesn't matter. PS3 wins.

But Blu Ray needs to take out HD DVD first, otherwise PS3 may be the most spectacular console failure of all time.

Uh why would anyone use their PS3 as their primary Blu Ray player in 2008? It's a stopgap, and a nice feature. It's not going to be the Blu Ray player in most folks homes.

 

[Forgotten Ancient]

Uh why would anyone use their PS3 as their primary Blu Ray player in 2008? It's a stopgap, and a nice feature. It's not going to be the Blu Ray player in most folks homes.

Well, my PS2 was my DVD player until I got my 360. It may be surprising to you, but most of my friends use their PS2s as their DVD player as well.

 

[GhaleonEB]

after skimming over this thread i now want a chocolate sunday and a cheeseburger

thank god it's dinnertime you guys are making me hungry