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Halo |OT 23| Thruster is Love, Thruster is Life
- Thread starter VisceralBowl
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You don't understand Halo.
Nope. Then you can't melee in midair. I hate when things behave differently when "holding" the button and "clicking" it. Too many accidentall assassinations in Reach.
Prinz Eugn
Member
It would be nice just in terms of thematics not to have humanity be this super dominant juggernaut. One the most interesting parts of the Halo universe use to be that humanity was losing.
Now I don't even know what the stakes are. Is the Ur-quasi-ersatz-semi-Didact going to roboticize people ala Sonic? Is that what the stakes are? Or are we basically following Locke following Chief trying to restore a good save of his computer girlfriend?
Probably for the same reason people are fine playing with it on Halo 4, Bumper Jumper etc. Recon isn't a handicap, but you can definitely tell the game wasn't designed with that control scheme in mind.
Add in classic zoom, and I can guarantee you I'd personally enjoy the game a million times more, so how can you say it won't cure my problems when ADS is a problem for me? I'm not content playing with it. And yet, it'll now be the standard in every Halo going forward. How would it impact you, if you are fine with ADS, but I could toggle it off and use classic? That's all I'm asking. If ADS plays the same, there should be no reason I can't have classic zoom, especially for Recon controls.
VisceralBowl
Member
Honestly, ADS on right stick is somewhat fatiguing and difficult when I'm in the middle of combat.
As much as I hate saying it, this game needs a grenade/right stick swap option for Bumper Jumper.
As much as I hate saying it, this game needs a grenade/right stick swap option for Bumper Jumper.
Enlighten me.
Oh hell, I did NOT know this. No wonder I'm having such a rough time in Breakout. I more often get the jump on enemies than vice versa, but they still often win in an auto v auto fight. Probably helps folks in longer range BR duels as well.
They gotta change this, that's a straight up advantage to Default controls over others like Recon where you're jamming on the right stick.
biosnake20
Member
The only major problem halo 5 still has is sprint. Aside from that the game is fantastic.
VisceralBowl
Member
Yeah, it's horrible.
Automatic starts in competitive modes and "broken" legacy controls (see willow ve's post) are major problems in my opinion.
biosnake20
Member
I'm guessing their HCS mode in the final release will be BR starts and they'll probably have more flexible controls too. I was talking more about stuff that won't be fixed by the final release like removing sprint.
Halo most certainly is not entirely about power weapons and controlling the map. That's just ridiculous.
Tap to melee, hold to ground pound.
SmartWaffles
Member
I want Titanfall's Evolved layout, Sprint on LS, melee on B, crouch on RS, it was perfect.
I don't wanna sound blasphemous here, but maybe if they don't change that with the controls perhaps remove de-scope from Breakout specifically? I mean, it would keep it more in like with the twitch-based CoD/BF shooting they seem to be going for. I just don't want to see a certain control scheme have a blatant advantage like that.
inB4 Bumper Jumper argument
uhhhhh... wat?
I was going to post something sarcastic, but then I figured I should probably contribute once in a while. So here's to my one semi-serious Halo post in this thread, OT23.
If you believe there is a "one Halo policy" formula, then you're foolishly off-base. Claiming things are core tenets to Halo has been done ad nauseum and guess how many principles are agreed upon every time. Sure, timing weapons is important to you. But to Jimmy Random, his core ideas might be a balanced sandbox, fair matchmaking, and good movement options.
Nice! I'm all set!
But Jimmy Random isn't Gilly H who is the voice of the competetive community because he watches twitch and mlg and posts on pro forums
So essentially throw out all the core mechanics/design that defines Halo and separates it from all other shooters, and make it blend in with today's shooters, just give it a balanced sandbox, fair matchmaking and good movement options.
Sounds like a lot of fun!!!
VisceralBowl
Member
If we're gonna give out our definitions of core Halo.
Shields
Fluid movement and jumping
Precision weapons as utility
Controlling power weapons and power positions on map
Skill based gun fights.
Guns Nades Melee
Everyone starts on equal ground.
H5 meets all my requirements and even enhances the fluid movement and skill based gun fights part of it. LOVIN IT
Shields
Fluid movement and jumping
Precision weapons as utility
Controlling power weapons and power positions on map
Skill based gun fights.
Guns Nades Melee
Everyone starts on equal ground.
H5 meets all my requirements and even enhances the fluid movement and skill based gun fights part of it. LOVIN IT
Power weapon timers are still there, and are static intervals. Are you mad that they get announced to everyone now? The power ups weren't ready in time for the beta, so how can they implement something they don't currently have? Controlling the map is still just as important as it's ever been. Controlling the towers on Truth, top mid on Regret, Red base on Eden, and one of the sniper areas on Empire are pretty much a constant of the winning team in every match I've played.
The Hydra & Sword are weak power weapons, and that is the point of the beta, to find these things out before the game goes live. Hopefully Pegasus wins and we get to see the RL, and I personally think the Sniper is too easy to use. You say there's nothing to control, but if you don't control the sniper on Eden, it's GG.
I also don't understand how the BR/DMR in this game isn't a good utility weapon...?
You're delusional.
sub'd.
SmartWaffles
Member
Second this, very well said.
Computer
Member
So no one here is frustrated about shooting someone one time and them boosting and running away? Or games playing so slow from all running away they don't reach the score limit? Am I the only one that thinks H5 is broken as hell and the map Eden is a clusterfuck of ramps, rooms, ledges, and hiding spots?
Tbh Halo 4 had more potential than Reach ever had. It was just held back by shitty perks and AAs. The BR in that game felt so good.
Think he means the Halo 4 controls...
I do agree though, Halo 4 was much better than Reach.
Eden is a clusterfuck, yes. Game is fantastic though, minus a few minor issues.
He's talking about the controls in H5:G
That's awkward.
Anyways yeah. Halo 4 was pretty solid gameplay wise bar flinch and sprint IMO.
It's called...teamwork.
Love Eden, aside from the lighting.
I barely ever have time to breath in these games, shit is constantly happening. I can't help but think that it's a lack of understanding of the map or just playing too defensive if you're running into score limit issues.
240p, woof.
Digital Limit
Member
Guys guys guys! I think I may have cracked how to fix Sprint:
This effectively keeps Sprint in Halo 5 on paper keeping everyone who likes Sprint happy while essentially removing it for everyone else, since much like Titanfall there's no reason to ever stop Sprinting, really. Set the toggle and play like Sprint was never in Halo 5.
Thoughts?
- Players can shoot, strafe, backpedal, etc. while Sprinting
- Sprinting is slower than it is now, but still faster than base walking speed
- Players can set a toggle to "Always Sprint"
- Charge and Slide are removed
- Shields recharge while Sprinting
This effectively keeps Sprint in Halo 5 on paper keeping everyone who likes Sprint happy while essentially removing it for everyone else, since much like Titanfall there's no reason to ever stop Sprinting, really. Set the toggle and play like Sprint was never in Halo 5.
Thoughts?
In all honesty, Reach actually played much better and could have been fixed much easier than Halo 4. Had Reach gotten the proper post-launch support, it would have easily been a much better game. Halo 4 needed several months of massive tweaks before it could be considered decent. At launch, the game didn't even have X on death.
ZBNS Reach, or 85% bloom Reach make the gunplay and game play quite different. What was bad about Reach? I'd say bloom, armor abilities like jetpack/armor lock, and maps. Maybe you could make a case for movement/strafe speed and aim assist. Fyre has made good posts on how weird post-launch Reach support was and how it just split up the playerbase, plus removing squad slayer.
I liked Halo 4 well enough, especially legendary BR's. But even then, there were two things you just couldn't fix, flinch and sprint. To make Halo 4 fun, you had to literally turn off everything 343 added (instant respawn, Loadouts, perks, specializations, global ordnance, personal ordnance, killcams). Plus, they could only keep one perk active to give you grenade resupply so that meant flinch had to stay.
Basically saying that it's the same as a consistent faster base movement, but telling everyone they are actually sprinting so that they don't complain there isn't sprint.
I had an idea about sprint. I personally don't mind it, don't think it's impact is actually negative however I know most of you hate it.
My idea would be that you can sprint in any direction. So you can strafe sprint, reverse sprint etc. You still wouldn't be able to shoot, instead when you enabled sprint you'd put your weapon away and then when disabled you'd take it out like you would when swapping weapons. You'd start sprinting immediately when the hit the button, however the time to shoot again would be the same as swapping for that weapon.
My idea would be that you can sprint in any direction. So you can strafe sprint, reverse sprint etc. You still wouldn't be able to shoot, instead when you enabled sprint you'd put your weapon away and then when disabled you'd take it out like you would when swapping weapons. You'd start sprinting immediately when the hit the button, however the time to shoot again would be the same as swapping for that weapon.
Bloom completely broke the game dude. I remember seeing a video of some pro strafing super hard while blowing his DMR load on this dude who just stood still, and the dude who stood still got the kill (while spraying his DMR equally as hard). Grenades were super OP, the jump heigh/MS were way too low, jetpack and armor lock broke the game as well. Vehicles were made of paper and the maps were really lacking.
Halo 4, at it's core, was much better than Reach. Reach, at its core was severely lacking.
And besides, you're acting like the ZB patch came with the game. IIRC it took some many months to get it in.
Halo 4, at it's core, was much better than Reach. Reach, at its core was severely lacking.
And besides, you're acting like the ZB patch came with the game. IIRC it took some many months to get it in.
Digital Limit
Member
Have you played Titanfall? It'd be like that.
Base movement speed is reasonable, but ultimately a little slow within such large spaces. You realize that you're sprinting quite often. At some point you set the "always sprint" toggle and never look back. It slows the game down for new players while allowing advance players to always play at top speed.
I don't think it's constructive to think about it as "placating" sprint advocates. I just think it's a better system. We lose charge and slide, but we don't have to keep the weird shield recharge artifice that this extra fast, no other actions sprint gets us.
There's an actual sprint button in TF though. TF's speed wouldn't work in this game, the TTK's aren't even close to the same.
Sprint is such a non issue in 5 man, I really don't get the complaints. It just comes off as a bunch of old dudes sitting around talking about back in their day type of shit. If people are escaping you with sprint, your teammates blow, or your aim sucks.
I don't want them to lose the shield recharge penalty while sprinting, it's a great way to balance it.
VisceralBowl
Member
I have sprint set to auto in Titanfall.
SalientOne
Internet Batman
That's actually a known bug in the killcam and spectator mode playback. What you're seeing is actually a player that had remained in scope the entire time but the playback is vascillating between zoomed in/out rapidly. It's purely a visual bug.
Honestly didn't play TF much past the initial launch period, thought it was extremely disappointing, so I didn't know that.
Digital Limit
Member
There is a sprint button in Halo 5, too. Sprint wouldn't have to be as fast as Titanfall, just faster than base speed. Always sprint and delayed sprint, just like Titanfall, would be available movement options.
As for your latter point, I'd agree except Ninja, an expert Halo player, is rallying around this argument. Vulnerable sprint creates Benny Hill like moments and dissatisfying get-away situations. And forces the artifice of shields-don't-recharge-when-sprinting, which is without flavor and exists only to compensate for a mechanic otherwise being shoehorned into the game.
Most advanced players I'd argue have sprint "always on" in Titanfall.
VisceralBowl
Member
He can rally all he wants, sprint's not going anywhere and we're lucky it's even nerfed to begin with. They could have easily left it the same as 4, so I'm happy that there was at least some trade off.
That's what most people can't seem to wrap their head around. A console FPS in the year two thousand and fifteen is not launching without sprint.
^ I didn't say it wasn't, just that I didn't even care enough about the game to explore its options past inverting controls.
You don't need to answer if you can't, but why even keep Killcams? They've been buggy as hell for two games now. A lot of us don't really want them. They also take away from such things like teabagging, ruin situational awareness, post-death info is valuable for that second or two after you die. Have you guys considered maybe removing them, or making body death cam by default and allowing those who need to see how they died, the ability to press X to view the killcam?
It's extremely fun now.