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Thinking about it actually, just need the right paint and a good design to go around the glyph.
But epic skybox
shinobi602
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One of the artists at DICE made it in CryEngine 3 in his spare time.
squidhands
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Same here. Interesting concept, but it just doesn't hold any enjoyment after the first couple of times.
ElzarTheBam
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I laughed at this.
For me it was neat the first time. Then after that, I'd rather just skip the whole section.
Banshee/falcon sections in other Halo's were much more interesting.
Gabotron ES
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Actually same here, I may use my old warhammer 40.000 skills to came up with something cool, simple and clean looking.
I like what I am hearing.
The Librarian
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It wasn't this way in the E3 build. So either this thing is wrong, or 343 made changes. If 343 did so: YYYAAAAYYYYYY! But does fall damage here include a stun?
Getting slowed for a second when you fall from really high seems fair, since you won't be taking any damage. Lets you traverse the map better, but you can't jump off of a ledge to avoid a fight as easily.
Are you surprised they are still changing stuff from the e3 build? Since they said they would, and Ellis has confirmed things are already quite different.
So did they remove fall damage after E3?
Gabotron ES
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Maybe it's just toggleable... OPTIONS!
I would prefer fall damage I believe, but without it I definitely think there should be stun. I don't think it's fair to have no consequence for dropping down from high up.
Yup.
HigherLevel
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Better spawns and no fall damage is welcome from me.
Stun is fine but I feel the lack of damage can improve map flow. For example Headlong was amazing on 2 but shitty on Reach because if you jumped down you were fucked. Stun adds a risk to jumping down if you are in a battle but it wont screw you over when you are not in a fight.
too much eslim
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hmm i like fall damage. but I am ok without it.
I hear ya.
this
lol thank you! Finally someone understands me
i just looked at your avatar for like the first time... you've lost a whole midget. well done!
Gabotron ES
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I'm ok with no fall damage but a spartan falling from say... top of Spire should always die, what'd be the point of remaking Spire in H4 then?
:lol that's one way of putting it. But thank you, I appreciate it.
HigherLevel
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Why would they remake Spire?
Because next gen cragmire.
Gabotron ES
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Spartan Ops footage showed a spartan jetpacking.
And Invasion 2.0 but yeah, Cragmire 2.0 should be 343's priority... add a second Spire and two man cannons connecting both and you're pretty much done.
SHIP IT.
Tomorrow.
ElzarTheBam
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Friday.
Vire
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Reach already has Line of Sight spawn weighting, and the weapon you're holding determines how much your staring deweights the spawns. sauce: jonnyothan on the Forge World bungie.net user group, and you can't search the bungie.net usergroups, so I don't have the time to look for it.
Although the "more spawns is better" thing? No shit, I've been saying that for like, 4 years now? If you don't spawn starve Reach's spawn system, it works beautifully.
Hyrewulff
I think what comes in question though is, what do we want the spawn system to be? Because, I prefer in MLG games that I can predict spawns with pretty damn good accuracy. However, in most maps and because of objective gametypes, I'm not usually shooting them as they spawn. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but it's not something that happens consistently and it also depends on the map. That's the system I prefer.
What I don't prefer is when spawns are constantly being split, or when people are forced to spawn mid map or even towards my team's side of the map.
edit: Terrible at packing? Make sure you make a list of things you need and what you're taking with you nerd!
squidhands
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Yeah, the whole thing seemed like a concept that wasn't fully fleshed out due to time constraints. It turns an otherwise awesome Long Night of Solace into an unnecessarily long level.
It seemed like it was the case in Halo 3 as well. I know I could force spawn players in a particular section of a forged map if I tossed a well-timed grenade in the right spot, same thing if I scoped in with the Sniper Rifle.
Regardless, an overhaul of the spawning system was much-needed.
Predictable spawns are fine. Exploitable spawns are not. You should be able to predict where they're coming from, but you shouldn't be able to shoot them right when they spawn or assassinate them right when they spawn. Safe but predictable is the key. However, I also think in Slayer that you shouldn't be only allowed to spawn on one side of the map, because you don't have an objective to defend or attack, so there's no point in limiting the safe spots you can spawn from. And despite what people would like to say, non-sided spawning in Slayer is not random.
I imagine at a certain point this place will move to its own separate site, I'm just not sure when that will be. If there's another influx of juniors, and we end up with like 500 regulars all posting in one single thread it'll be impossible to read.
squidhands
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It already is. I look for familiar names/avatars and pretty much skip the rest. Sorry, new juniors.
Nearly all spawns in a team game will be exploitable. Once you know the areas, and know the system, you will be able to exploit spawns.
Despite what people would like to say, spawn traps are not bad for competition. It's putting a team in check... checkmate is right around the corner. The entire game is "we start here, you start there, and we fight for control" lose control, and the game becomes hyper-competitive. That's your "objective" in a Team Slayer match. It's fair... it's balanced... and the playing field doesn't change. This is a good thing for competition between evenly matched teams. It's only an issue for those playing people much more skilled than them, or with a much higher understanding of the spawn system.
Without those static, side based spawns, I'm given a free pass to the other side of the map. It turns a team game into an FFA. The team that just exhibited the better team work can/will get penalized. Now we can spawn on the same side as the other team... at the same time. So say on Narrows holding top mid. We kill you blue and you spawn opposite... but during that period I die top mid just before you while my other mates are still alive. I spawn red and as I'm running out you spawn right behind me and get a free kill. The game just penalized the team that exhibited the better skill and teamwork and rewarded the team that performed poorly by allowing a net trade.
In default Team Slayer... this scenario played out time and time again. Rewarding a team for performing poorly and penalizing a team for performing well runs counter to competition.
dangerbyrnes
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I wont be happy until I hear some native american chant.
that would probably be amazing.
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