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Halo Reach Reveal Thread - Matchmaking/Multiplayer Details Revealed
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Metroidvania said:
Yeah but Halo always has really linear and short campaigns. Why should Assassin's Creed 2 have an enormous environment that looks substantially better than anything out of Halo 3 or Reach? Bungie has Microsoft paying the bills and a studio so large that they had to buy an abandoned movie theater complex to hold all their employees. Why are their games so behind the curve? Why do people not expect the latest and greatest from Reach? If Reach is yet another 5 hour long campaign that funnels you down hallways and tight outdoor environments from beginning to end then it should not have plastic tires on vehicles and static structures. Excusing ugliness by claiming it's a design philosophy makes no sense.
AltogetherAndrews
Member
SpudBud said:
My first impression was that a jackal had an affair with Marty Feldman, and was eaten by a velociraptor. Or something. Should be more fun to play than space rhinorilllas, though.
Yeah, I didn't look at the timestamp at first. Urk just posted that 2 hours or so ago.Dax01 said:
So that's nice, hopefully that means Shishka will go back to having more playlists require all maps.
And we've finally got another community map playlist coming up the 4th of February too. Wonder if it will have updated versions of the maps (i.e. Ber Ber not broken).
dilatedmuscle
Member
I think all that needs to be said based on the new pictures graphics has been said. Bungie would find it difficult to avoid these criticisms since they are running rampant by now. Everyone has proved their poing when it comes to the recent screens.
Point 1: The environments are lackluster to say the least.
Point 2: We hope bungie makes the environments looks much closer to the VGA trailer.
Now we can move on to other Reach topics
lol
Very Large ODST/CE-esque environments? If you checked out the first person image from game informer you can see a compas(or whatever its called) above the health.. That suggest you would need to travel in certain directions in order to reach your checkpoints... Only CE and ODST was like that, H2 and H3 were too linear to need a directional compas... dont know if this has been pointed out yet.
Point 1: The environments are lackluster to say the least.
Point 2: We hope bungie makes the environments looks much closer to the VGA trailer.
Now we can move on to other Reach topics
lol Very Large ODST/CE-esque environments? If you checked out the first person image from game informer you can see a compas(or whatever its called) above the health.. That suggest you would need to travel in certain directions in order to reach your checkpoints... Only CE and ODST was like that, H2 and H3 were too linear to need a directional compas... dont know if this has been pointed out yet.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
kylej said:
Personally, I'm not going to equate sterility with "ugliness" without seeing more footage, but I digress.
To clarify, what you're saying is that IF Reach is a "shorter" campaign again compared to other FPS titles, they should be spending more time on graphics, no?
Things don't work like that around here, lol.
Demoncarnotaur said:
It's almost always the last thing that gets added to the environments in the polish phase before the game reaches gold status. The decorators went through pretty substantial changes in the latter stages of Halo 3's dev cycle. The grass for example could originally get burned down (or at least charred) with flame grenades and the flame thrower and I remember that beta Valhalla was missing a lot of decorators compared to the final version.
Other random objects like chairs, tables, trash, boards and stuff like that will get added too at some point. Right now Bungie's most important task is to make sure the game plays well and to tweak encounters and fundamental gameplay elements. Who knows, maybe the current build of Reach has more decorators in it but I doubt it since they are still working on things like the water tech thatsurely have priority over decorators or littered random objects.
DiabolicalBagel
Member
Gui_PT said:
I'll be on in around 10 minutes.
P.S. Can I PLEASE have audio settings in Reach?
NullPointer
Member
Hell yes. It'd also be nice to allow custom soundtracks without disabling all the voices.DiabolicalBagel said:
The Librarian
Banned
Marty will not allow it!NullPointer said:
WickedLaharl
Member
those pics show a pretty massive drop in quality from the trailer shown last month. it was expected but i'm still a bit disappointed.
hopefully it'll look a bit better upon release.
hopefully it'll look a bit better upon release.
FlawlessCowboy
Member
Hey, all. I just got my Neogaf membership approved the other day. *pumps fist*
This thread is the main reason why I wanted to join GAF in the first place. I'm a huge fan of the Halo franchise (logged in around 4000 XBL Halo 2 matches!) and besides, where else on the internet can one get into spirited debates about the AR vs. BR?
This thread is the main reason why I wanted to join GAF in the first place. I'm a huge fan of the Halo franchise (logged in around 4000 XBL Halo 2 matches!) and besides, where else on the internet can one get into spirited debates about the AR vs. BR?
WickedLaharl said:
I still don't know where the trailer is supposed to fit in. If it is indeed the opening of the game, why does the GI preview mention that Noble team was investigating possible Insurrectionist terror attacks on the communications array until the Covenant revealed themselves to them?
Major Williams
Member
I want to disable Cortana-trying-to-talk-to-me jarring cutscenes in the middle of a level. OR better yet, don't have anything like that in Reach please - make them skippable.Dax01 said:
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
kylej said:
But at the same time, the entire focus on that sprawling overworld is to explore it, which is why you NEED to make everything look damn good.
While I certainly want improved environments in Reach, no matter how you disguise it, unless it's an open world shooter like Far Cry or Crysis, all environments in an FPS or a TPS are designed to funnel you from encounter to encounter. Some more inventive than others, yes, but if we're bringing up Uncharted, it's not just a third person shooter, it's equal parts platformer, which also revolve heavily on interacting with the environment, thus, a higher need for better graphics.
In any Corridor Shooter, the window dressing of the environment, no matter how pretty, is still window dressing.
Again, don't get me wrong, I want to see improvement as much as you, especially this late in the 360 Life cycle, but at the same time, I can see why it might not be getting as much focus as, say, designing the enemy encounters.
Will I be disappointed if the screenshots posted earlier are what the final game looks like?
Hell yes.
Will I still enjoy the game if the encounters are well developed and the combat enjoyable.
Yep.
Personally, I'd say Halo's immersion factor comes more from the enemy encounters and immediate story developments than its background environment, though I do wish the latter would be more developed.
But like has been said, I'll wait until the beta for more analysis.
NullPointer
Member
One of the Bungie podcasts mentioned that the VGA trailer doesn't actually make sense in the game's continuity, and thats on purpose. They took some liberties to get it up and running and communicating what they wanted for the VGAs, so expect the actual game cinematic to be different.Frenck said:
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
No Edge info? No GI update? Fail.
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
Metroidvania said:
Um, then prepare for bitter tears. The Multiplayer won't look as good as Campaign.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Domino Theory said:
Lol, I'm not going to cry about it, I'm into Halo for the gameplay.
Shake Appeal
Member
Personally, I will be delighted if it looks like the screenshots. That would be a staggering feat of anti-aliasing.
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
Metroidvania said:
The post I responded to had to do with Halo's visuals, not its gameplay.
You're into Halo for its gameplay? Damn, no wonder you play it so much. :lol
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DreamVsPS2_
Banned
I just want Bungie to fix the boosters and new accounts and I'll be happy. its imposible to play doubles anymore. Everybody has a new account or a booster.
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
big ander said:
To be safe, I'd toggle it off. Just have the Heart with the circle background.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Domino Theory said:
U mad?
Tell you what, let's get on, and get our hearts out there for Haiti.
The Librarian
Banned
I'm on right now for anyone else that's playing.Metroidvania said:
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Because unfortunately the people complaining about the screenshots won't actually be able to play the Beta for obvious reasons.Gui_PT said:
Complaining about screenshots is there one chance to moan.
squidhands
Member
Goddam it, I want a job like yours. I fucking hate having to pretend to work where I do.OuterWorldVoice said:
dilatedmuscle
Member
Man that cortana cut-in was such a break in pacing
Im sure it has split screen features. They already comfirmed, Full feature parity to Halo 3. And im sure you wouldve still bought it LOL
Sai-kun said:
Im sure it has split screen features. They already comfirmed, Full feature parity to Halo 3. And im sure you wouldve still bought it LOL
WickedLaharl
Member
cjelly said:
yup you got it all figured out! everyone complaining about those screenshots do not own a 360!
:lol
kylej said:
I do not disagree that Halo is one of the more standard looking shooters going back to Halo 3. I don't think that their design resources are somehow being wasted though. Look at the tech and the greatness of the multiplayer maps and you'll see why most still consider it the benchmark. Uncharted 2 is the only game since Halo 3 to implement the game save tech, and even then it's not close to having the same implementation. Graphics aren't the reason I play Halo.