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[Chrange]

It's kind of fucked up when you have no idea what could be deemed 'offensive' by the rules.

Oh come on... He's even admitted he knew it could be construed that way.

 

[joelseph]

It's kind of fucked up when you have no idea what could be deemed 'offensive' by the rules.

Dick slang is not questionable.

 

[Vallarfax]

That really sucks, especially having the name for so long and now they have a problem? You must have really pissed someone off in Halo or something :lol

On a side note, I really want to change my gamertag. It was randomly selected when I first got my 360 not knowing it cost $10 just to change. Anybody want to help me out, see profile for GT

Maybe you could call up Microsoft and complain that people have been ribbing you about being middle eastern or something like that based off the Genie reference. Explain that it was given to you automatically and that you are considering discontinuing your XBL service and they will prolly change it.

 

[Dave Long]

I think I found your problem...

My fandom for the xbox brand is waning

Stop being a "fan" of faceless corporations and their brands. That way this shit will be less than meaningless to you the next time.

You can't buy loyalty.

 

[plagiarize]

fucking jews

what is offensive about copulating jesuits?

 

[bigdaddygamebot]

It's kind of fucked up when you have no idea what could be deemed 'offensive' by the rules.

Dealing with strangers in a group environment PROTip - If you're not sure...don't do it.

If you do, you don't get to cry foul when you get nailed for it.

 

[goldenpp72]

Obviously. It's a joke among the older/I WAS THERE WHEN IT WAS THE HUEG BOX! XBL community about how MS wants to price-gouge you on every. little. thing.



Well, "dumbass" is taken. I can get behind this with "GoldenQQ72" as his name. The meltdown could be awesome if he continues to be at "dumbass" levels. :lol

Actually a gaf name change wouldnt bother me, I haven't paid a cent to gaf. Places that are free can have whatever silly rules they want, i'm sure some forum out there bans people for liking the letter B.

 

[Dave Long]

 

[dojokun]

Microsoft CHOOSES to go out of their way because people were offended.

The moment one person threatens to end their service over being offended by a gamertag, Microsoft has to look at it as a matter of breaking even.

Either they ban the offender and risk losing him, or they ignore it and risk losing the person that is offended.

they're potentially losing someone.

if they don't ban the offender, then they run the risk of more people being offended and ending their service.

So they keep one guy happy and lose three or five or ten.

It's a simple decision. Nail the offender once a threshold of complaints have been hit.

And yeah, it was a personal attack because you were being ignorant.

You might want to read the rules here on GAF.

 

[FunkyMunkey]

It's "goldenpp" and you're wondering why they want you to change it?

:lol

I'm gonna go make one called "greenpoopoo" and then write an essay complaining when I get a notice to change it also.

 

[MC Safety]

Just curious because I've never thought to look or ask. What is MS's policy on gamertags? I mean you pay a monthly/yearly fee to use the service and you have rights to that name. Is there a legal solution to all of this or is it in their terms of service?

You have the right to make a screen name. And Microsoft has the right to deny you use of any screen name it finds objectionable.

 

[goldenpp72]

Microsoft CHOOSES to go out of their way because people were offended.

The moment one person threatens to end their service over being offended by a gamertag, Microsoft has to look at it as a matter of breaking even.

Either they ban the offender and risk losing him, or they ignore it and risk losing the person that is offended.

they're potentially losing someone.

if they don't ban the offender, then they run the risk of more people being offended and ending their service.

So they keep one guy happy and lose three or five or ten.

It's a simple decision. Nail the offender once a threshold of complaints have been hit.

And yeah, it was a personal attack because you were being ignorant.

i'm not an 'offender', the laws in the real world don't (or shouldn't) work that way, why should they here?

if I hate black people and call the cops because a black person walked across my house, should they be put away because I was offended?

Seriously, that's stupid, and so is someone giving up a subscription because they find my name offensive.

 

[Roto13]

I don't like that this thread has gone on for over 200 posts and the OP's name/tag hasn't been changed to "goldenqq7" or anything like that.

 

[Azih]

Actually a gaf name change wouldnt bother me, I haven't paid a cent to gaf. Places that are free can have whatever silly rules they want, i'm sure some forum out there bans people for liking the letter B.

Any place with a TOS that you agree to can have whatever silly rules they want.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

I wonder if people that use 'Snake' in their tags ever get forced to change their tags? It's pretty much in the top five non-vulgar names for a cock.

 

[goldenpp72]

Any place with a TOS that you agree to can have whatever silly rules they want.

But when you pay you should have the right to at least explain something after a banning. I'm sure you disagree though, microsoft should be able to do anything.

 

[LAUGHTREY]

I remember when I got banned for a day for having 'something something someone is gay' in my profile.



I signed on after the day and it was fine, then I got banned for a week. No way to figure out why and all my info was replaced with 'Terms Of Service' so whatever.



Of course they're not going to pay you a spit of attention since all the little babies cry about being wrongfully banned, they'll just hop right over you and not waste their time.


Kinda reminds me of my icon situation. Hmmm.

 

[freddy]

one of the admins should change his gaf name. then he would go insane.

:lol

 

[Salmonax]

It's crazy that anyone would consider "PP" offensive, but this is the world we're living in. Microsoft is absolutely in the right to request the name change and the chances of you successfully fighting this are slim to none. Perhaps you should take this birthday as an opportunity to grow out of clinging to something as trivial an online nickname.

You may think you lose if you cave in to corporate injustice, but in reality the only loss would be wasting any more of your time on such petty nonsense. Pick a new name you're happy with and move on with your life.

 

[bigdaddygamebot]

i'm not an 'offender', the laws in the real world don't (or shouldn't) work that way, why should they here?

if I hate black people and call the cops because a black person walked across my house, should they be put away because I was offended?

Seriously, that's stupid, and so is someone giving up a subscription because they find my name offensive.

But you ARE the offender. People complained about your gamertag. YOU chose your gamertag. Where is the disconnect here?

Also, you need to stop comparing YOUR current "plight" to actual issues.

 

[SaggyMonkey]

You ought to get a big list of names together, call Microsoft and record the conversation (for their reactions) and find out which ones you could use.

Try things like golden pecker, morning wood, ballzonya, dickgoezinya, etc.

 

[Azih]

But when you pay you should have the right to at least explain something after a banning. I'm sure you disagree though, microsoft should be able to do anything.

microsoft should be able to do anything that a mutually agreed TOS allows them to do.

 

[Vallarfax]

i'm not an 'offender', the laws in the real world don't (or shouldn't) work that way, why should they here?

if I hate black people and call the cops because a black person walked across my house, should they be put away because I was offended?

Seriously, that's stupid, and so is someone giving up a subscription because they find my name offensive.

This isn't the police your dealing with though. This isn't a democratic society where you have a say in how things go. This is a company and rules set forth by that company to cover their ass. They can do whatever they want and you have nothing you can do about it but abide by their rules or gtfo. On the topic of migrating to the PS3 I would like to add that with a name like GoldenPP you're gonna find yourself flag'd rather quickly on their network as well.

 

[Htown]

Here I've done it for you.

Aupp72

Au is the symbol for gold on the periodic table. Problem solved.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

Here I've done it for you.

Aupp72

Au is the symbol for gold on the periodic table. Problem solved.

AUSTRALIAN WEINERS?

just like someone with a herc avatar

tsk tsk

 

[Negaiido]

It's "goldenpp" and you're wondering why they want you to change it?

:lol

I'm gonna go make one called "greenpoopoo" and then write an essay complaining when I get a notice to change it also.

People should stop being so American and deal with it. Whats so wrong with urine,pee,poop,sperm,Diarrhea etc
It's just something that has to do with the life of a human. Nothing wrong with that?

 

[bigdaddygamebot]

Here I've done it for you.

Aupp72

Au is the symbol for gold on the periodic table. Problem solved.

You could get yourself a nice consultation gig coming up with gamertags. You'll be rich in no time.

I expect a kickback for consulting on your consultant opportunity.

 

[goldenpp72]

microsoft should be able to do anything that a mutually agreed TOS allows them to do.

So if somewhere microsoft puts that they can come and shoot you in the face because you suck at halo, as long as it was possible for you to read it, it should be ok? I knew about the rule, I didn't know my gamertag would be deemed offensive 5 years later.

Where is the line drawn? The point of the terms of service i'd guess is to stop the nigger killer, fagsRGAY, etc types of gamertags, not the ones that a few people might take incorrectly and even if they do, is still innocent, since when did piss become a lethal offensive thing?

 

[TheSeks]

Actually a gaf name change wouldnt bother me, I haven't paid a cent to gaf. Places that are free can have whatever silly rules they want, i'm sure some forum out there bans people for liking the letter B.

Microsoft. TOS. Read it. Again. And. Again. Until. It. Gets. Through.

MS can refuse service/make you change whatever AT ANY TIME. You agreed to this TOS while singing up and agreed to it further by paying cash. It doesn't matter if you're paying cash or not. They don't have to explain shit to you because it's within their TOS statement that they don't have to.

It's like paying for Gamespot/IGN and then being banned. You paid for the service, their TOS says that permabanning you means you don't get a cash refund and they don't have to explain shit to you. That's the beauty of private service and terms of that private service laws. They don't owe you anything.

MS at least told you that someone found offense with your name and offered you a free name change. Take it or stop using their service. Either way you're making a mountain out of a molehill because it is within MS's right to do this.

And for people comparing RRoD to this: This is a private service, MS's console is a luxery item that doesn't have to use that service (no matter how much use that console gets with this private service), said luxery item not working is cause for bitching and legal rights. Private service isn't. You're wrong with a bad comparison. Game over. Go home.

 

[CultureClearance]

At first I hated this thread for being so dumb but now I love it. This thread delivers on every level. Thanks GoldenPP for the lols.

 

[bigdaddygamebot]

So if somewhere microsoft puts that they can come and shoot you in the face because you suck at halo, as long as it was possible for you to read it, it should be ok?

Where is the line drawn? The point of the terms of service i'd guess is to stop the nigger killer, fagsRGAY, etc types of gamertags, not the ones that a few people might take incorrectly and even if they do, is still innocent, since when did piss become a lethal offensive thing?

This is when you should walk away and go have a nice birthday.

 

[Azih]

Yeah IDiareehaurmom will make for a lovely xbl experience.

I mean you have flashers on freaking UNO using the cam man.

 

[Captain Tuttle]

Happy 14th Birthday goldenpp!

Now change your gamertag and get on with your life.

 

[goldenpp72]

Microsoft. TOS. Read it. Again. And. Again. Until. It. Gets. Through.

MS can refuse service/make you change whatever AT ANY TIME. You agreed to this TOS while singing up and agreed to it further by paying cash. It doesn't matter if you're paying cash or not. They don't have to explain shit to you because it's within their TOS statement that they don't have to.

It's like paying for Gamespot/IGN and then being banned. You paid for the service, their TOS says that permabanning you means you don't get a cash refund and they don't have to explain shit to you. That's the beauty of private service and terms of that private service laws. They don't owe you anything.

MS at least told you that someone found offense with your name and offered you a free name change. Take it or stop using their service. Either way you're making a mountain out of a molehill because it is within MS's right to do this.

And for people comparing RRoD to this: This is a private service, MS's console is a luxery item that doesn't have to use that service (no matter how much use that console gets with this private service), said luxery item not working is cause for bitching and legal rights. Private service isn't. You're wrong with a bad comparison. Game over. Go home.

Actually this is not correct, microsoft as a company did not tell me that someone took my name the wrong way, all I had was 3 foreign people re-reading the violation message to me over and over again until I got off the phone. MS did not in any way say to me that individuals reported my name in offense and ask me to change it.

Im simply assuming that someone did indeed report my name for that usage, probably someone who got pissed off in gears of war for losing.

 

[Azih]

So if somewhere microsoft puts that they can come and shoot you in the face because you suck at halo, as long as it was possible for you to read it, it should be ok?

I would imagine that part of the TOS would violate the criminal code of whichever country you reside in and thus would not hold up in a court of law.

Where is the line drawn?

The laws of your nation. Oddly enough I do not think your country cares that you can't have a synonym for urine as a tag on an online gaming service and does not have laws upholding your right to do so.

 

[Pseudo_Sam]

"GoldenPP72" is absolutely inappropriate, what the fuck are you complaining for? How could that not be interpreted as a golden shower reference? If I saw you on XBL I'd treat you with the same contempt I treat others who have toilet-related usernames.

"Banned for no reason" my ass.

 

[goldenpp72]

This is when you should walk away and go have a nice birthday.

Just curious, why? Why is it ok for a company to screw you over in one way, just how far will we allow them to screw people before it becomes not ok? Taking more money because you offended them? We at microsoft are frustrated by your CS calls and have decided we will take 50 bucks more from you for our troubles, but you can't do anything because it was in the tos. WOO

 

[Chrange]

So if somewhere microsoft puts that they can come and shoot you in the face because you suck at halo, as long as it was possible for you to read it, it should be ok? I knew about the rule, I didn't know my gamertag would be deemed offensive 5 years later.

Where is the line drawn? The point of the terms of service i'd guess is to stop the nigger killer, fagsRGAY, etc types of gamertags, not the ones that a few people might take incorrectly and even if they do, is still innocent, since when did piss become a lethal offensive thing?

Have you been drinking to celebrate your birthday? I can't find a single way that those things would be at all comparable otherwise.

You broke the rules. You got caught. You can personally disagree with the rules all you want, you still agreed to them when you signed up. So change your Gamertag and move on, or don't change it and move on anyway.

 

[Geneijin]

Okay, now you're just overreacting OP.

 

[goldenpp72]

Have you been drinking to celebrate your birthday? I can't find a single way that those things would be at all comparable otherwise.

You broke the rules. You got caught. You can personally disagree with the rules all you want, you still agreed to them when you signed up. So change your Gamertag and move on, or don't change it and move on anyway.

I DID NOT KNOWINGLY BREAK ANY RULES, I did not in any way know my name would be misunderstood 10 years ago when I created the username and have since carried onto every online platform I used. How dense are you? Where did I say '*chuckles* Man I knew this would happen some day but now i'm angry!'

I had no intention of trying to offend anyone or be clever, it was just a fucking goldeneye reference.

 

[TheSeks]

Actually this is not correct, microsoft as a company did not tell me that someone took my name the wrong way, all I had was 3 foreign people re-reading the violation message to me over and over again until I got off the phone. MS did not in any way say to me that individuals reported my name in offense and ask me to change it.

Im simply assuming that someone did indeed report my name for that usage, probably someone who got pissed off in gears of war for losing.

Yeah, and while it's wrong MS is in the right with their moderation system (no matter how shitty) and offering you to change it to a "less offensive" tag (despite your tag not being that offensive but could be offensive).

It sucks, but they are legally in the right with their private service to refuse you service, to refuse to refund your cash. Game over. You stole the fizzy lifting drinks. You lose!

Just to note: I do agree with you that the moderation system sucks and that some things can be considered offensive when they aren't meant to be. But the point is: MS is a private service. GAF is a private service. Gamespot/IGN is a private service. ANYWHERE that is a private service can refuse you service at any time (within legal boundaries) and they're in the clear.

Sucks, but that's life.

 

[Vandiger]

Just curious, why? Why is it ok for a company to screw you over in one way, just how far will we allow them to screw people before it becomes not ok? Taking more money because you offended them? We at microsoft are frustrating by your CS calls and have decided we will take 50 bucks more from you for our troubles, but you can't do anything because it was in the tos. WOO

Really now just quit XBL or just shut up and change your tag

 

[Chrange]

Inside the next 50 posts, I'm willing to bet the OP will uncover Orson Scott Card being behind all this.

 

[pr0cs]

sucks but I can see why someone would report it.
If it bugs you just sell your stuff and move over to the competitor system. Happens in just about every online system these days. Happened to me in DAOC and WoW so.. nothing new here really.

 

[EYEL1NER]

Happy birthday from microsoft: Banned for no reason. Help?

Well, that was a misleading thread title. It seems like there is a reason you were banned and you already know what it is.

So what's the problem?

 

[Walshicus]

Microsoft CHOOSES to go out of their way because people were offended.

The moment one person threatens to end their service over being offended by a gamertag, Microsoft has to look at it as a matter of breaking even.

Either they ban the offender and risk losing him, or they ignore it and risk losing the person that is offended.

they're potentially losing someone.

if they don't ban the offender, then they run the risk of more people being offended and ending their service.

So they keep one guy happy and lose three or five or ten.

It's a simple decision. Nail the offender once a threshold of complaints have been hit.

And yeah, it was a personal attack because you were being ignorant.

Nobody is going to end their subscription because they saw "goldenpp" in someone's gamertag. Nobody.

 

[bigdaddygamebot]

Just curious, why? Why is it ok for a company to screw you over in one way, just how far will we allow them to screw people before it becomes not ok? Taking more money because you offended them? We at microsoft are frustrated by your CS calls and have decided we will take 50 bucks more from you for our troubles, but you can't do anything because it was in the tos. WOO

You sound young.

You, sir have just learned a valuable lesson regarding TOS & TOU and contracts etc...

Are they screwing you? Sure...I suppose they are.

Did you give them permission to do so? You sure did.

Your gamertag did an admirable job of getting their attention.


When Microsoft wouldn't allow you to transfer downloadable content on one console to another. we were getting screwed over.

When they made/make? their 360s to be downright disposable and people have bought multiple 360s. we were getting screwed over.

You were told to change your gamertag because it offended some people. You lack perspective.

I'm not going to end my subscription because I saw "goldenpp" in someone's gamertag. So nobody will.

Fixed.

 

[Dunlop]

I had no intention of trying to offend anyone or be clever, it was just a fucking goldeneye reference.

Exactly, now get over it, change your GT and enjoy your birthday

You are starting to slide into crazyville over this topic. There are no troops to rally here over this.

 

[Chrange]

I DID NOT KNOWINGLY BREAK ANY RULES, I did not in any way know my name would be misunderstood 10 years ago when I created the username and have since carried onto every online platform I used. How dense are you? Where did I say '*chuckles* Man I knew this would happen some day but now i'm angry!'

I had no intention of trying to offend anyone or be clever, it was just a fucking goldeneye reference.

It doesn't MATTER if you knowingly broke the rules. Honestly, this is NOT that hard to understand.

You broke the rules. Period. Knowingly or innocently, it doesn't matter. Your Gamertag received complaints and was ruled offensive.

Someone who can't (or refuses) to understand the basics of a fairly simple situation shouldn't be throwing around "how dense are you?" insults, by the way.

Well, that was a misleading thread title. It seems like there is a reason you were banned and you already know what it is.

So what's the problem?

He totally didn't get what he wanted for his birthday.

 

[Vallarfax]

Actually this is not correct, microsoft as a company did not tell me that someone took my name the wrong way, all I had was 3 foreign people re-reading the violation message to me over and over again until I got off the phone. MS did not in any way say to me that individuals reported my name in offense and ask me to change it.

Im simply assuming that someone did indeed report my name for that usage, probably someone who got pissed off in gears of war for losing.

I'm guessing you're not reading all of the posts or you would see that people are telling you that multiple people must have reported your name. Microsoft won't just ban a name because an angry games reports someones name as offensive when he's just pissed he got frag'd. When I told you to try and sweet talk the real reason for your name being flag'd out of a supervisor I meant to try and coax it out because as it is written in the TOS they can ban names for whatever reason they want and they don't have to tell you why. Kicking and screaming about how you're being treated unfairly will not change the fact that this is how the company operates and unfortunately rules are in place and you can't always get things your way.