Sosokrates
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Same price at retail, similar performance.
Only one is profitable, for all we know.
I’d say the PS5 is the better engineered console
Same price at retail, similar performance.
Only one is profitable, for all we know.
I’d say the PS5 is the better engineered console
It's not exactly uncommon for those with good hearing to be able to hear a whisper from one meter away.I think you confusing speaking softly and whispering.
Your trolling at this point.
whis·per
- speak very softly using one's breath without one's vocal cords, especially for the sake of privacy.
How do any of yall hear your consoles while wearing headphones....
So its a wash between them.TL;DW: Xbox draws less energy and is quiter than PS5, at the expense of being slightly hotter.
Indeed, it does deserve credit. I think both of them managed to improve from their previous HW despite having lofty goals.People are missing the point.. from a practical standpoint the difference is rather neglectable, from a hardware engineering perspective it deserves credit.
The Series X is a really fine piece of hardware, but taking BOMs into consideration (which I’d say is vital when talking about design/cost/efficiency) its more impressive that the PS5 is trading blows with Series X while being sold for profit than MS being able to take a bigger hit for each sold console because one involves having to make the hardware really effective whereas the other only requires deep pockets.cmon let's be serious about it. One is LOTS bigger less performant and louder all of this at the same price the PS5 come out the engineering comparation as a joke console. Sure if you wanna spin it about profitability (and as customer we shouldn't really give a fuck about how much those companies make it) we don't have proof that xsx isn't too
again you putting everything in the BOM not knowing the model Ms is using this gen ...I'm sure that xss is making money for both console. This thread is about how the console are built and engineered ...and as i said the PS5 lose basically on every single pointThe Series X is a really fine piece of hardware, but taking BOMs into consideration (which I’d say is vital when talking about design/cost/efficiency) its more impressive that the PS5 is trading blows with Series X while being sold for profit than MS being able to take a bigger hit for each sold console because one involves having to make the hardware really effective whereas the other only requires deep pockets.
Its pretty much unprecedented in recent years, outside of Nintendos consoles. The PS5 is sold for profit and it delivers performance similar (I’d say indistinguishable) to the Series X.
I know who I’d perfer to design my product if I had a company selling hardware.
How much does the Series X cost? Is it selling at a loss? It only has a slightly larger APU but has a less expensive SSD and no extra DDR4 ram (PS5 has extra 512MB for the OS).The Series X is a really fine piece of hardware, but taking BOMs into consideration (which I’d say is vital when talking about design/cost/efficiency) its more impressive that the PS5 is trading blows with Series X while being sold for profit than MS being able to take a bigger hit for each sold console because one involves having to make the hardware really effective whereas the other only requires deep pockets.
Its pretty much unprecedented in recent years, outside of Nintendos consoles. The PS5 is sold for profit and it delivers performance similar (I’d say indistinguishable) to the Series X.
I know what I’d perfer to design my product if I had a company selling hardware.
I'm sure that the yeld of those high frequency of the PS5 is also lots worst than 1.8ghz of the xsxHow much does the Series X cost? Is it selling at a loss? It only has a slightly larger APU but has a less expensive SSD and no extra DDR4 ram (PS5 has extra 512MB for the OS).
Other then the APU the only thing that might make it more expensive is the vapor chamber cooler, but the PS5 uses liquid metal which is more expensive then the paste the XSX uses, as well as a larger heatsink.
PS5 also has the stronger PSU, 350w vs 315w.
Seems to me they would be similar in cost. I'm not seeing anything that would drive one to be substantially more expensive then the other.
Yup, there's no denying that side of it.Smaller, quieter, draws less power, lighter and more powerful. Quite an engineering feat really.
We pretty much know MS is not making a profit per sold console, at least that was their statement in court during the Epic vs Apple case.again you putting everything in the BOM not knowing the model Ms is using this gen ...I'm sure that xss is making money for both console. This thread is about how the console are built and engineered ...and as i said the PS5 lose basically on every single point
I can barely hear my PS5 unless the BD drive is running
War is a dog whistle.How do any of yall hear your consoles while wearing headphones....
More powerful than what?Smaller, quieter, draws less power, lighter and more powerful. Quite an engineering feat really.
Makes me wonder just how much further Microsoft could have pushed clock speeds rather than just settling for double Xbox One X performance, maybe 13-14 Tflops would have been possible.
I'm sure that the yeld of those high frequency of the PS5 is also lots worst than 1.8ghz of the xsx
Yeah a slightly faster fan means 2 more TF ROFL
yea mines dead silent, maybe a slight fan noise if i put my ear close to it.I find it funny you can hear the PS5's fan, unless you mean the Blu-ray drive?
Both systems could possibly have a higher clock for specific games. No different than a PC.Is it too late for an upclock?
I have my PC in the same room as the PS5 so its way louder just idling but I notice if the PC is off. My PSU fan makes shit tons of noise, same as PS5 when its under load.
I have tinitus, I can still hear the PS5 from my couch 3 meters away, but not the XSX unless I move up close. I’d say it’s more about the characteristics of the noises than how loud they are though. PS5, bright whirring. XSX, deep humming.We need to use common sense here.
A whisper is 30 dB and you can't hear what someone is whispering into someone's ear a foot away.
How tf you going to hear the difference between PS5 and XBSX.
You would hear other sounds before you hear these consoles.
Most of you all are lying for no reason.
The only time I really hear either is when I play without any sound.How do any of yall hear your consoles while wearing headphones....
You prob have a faulty PS5, the coil whine isn't present in mine - but a few others say they have it here.I have tinitus, I can still hear the PS5 from my couch 3 meters away, but not the XSX unless I move up close. I’d say it’s more about the characteristics of the noises than how loud they are though. PS5, bright whirring. XSX, deep humming.
How do any of yall hear your consoles while wearing headphones....
I don’t think it’s coil whine but I don’t rule out that it’s some other issue, I’m used to being affected by Sony’s hardware lottery.You prob have a faulty PS5, the coil whine isn't present in mine - but a few others say they have it here.
You need to get a better case...I have my PC in the same room as the PS5 so thats way louder just idling
You need to get a better case...
The design around the PS5 adjusting to workloads was to make the console quietAs somebody who heavily prefers quiet PC builds, let me tell you that 10db difference is quite a lot on a logarithmic scale.
30db is the sound of somebody whispering directly into your ear and that is very much noticeable.
A Dark Rock pro/Noctua CPU cooler is sitting at around 25db when running full speed, which is already way too loud for people who want to run silent systems.
I gave away my PS4pro after a month, because I just couldn't stand the f*cking noise (between 50 and 60 db).
Silent systems are a sign of good engineering and very much appreciated by those who don't want noisy electronics in their homes.
Unfortunately, noise hasn't been a priority for SONY so far, hence my reluctance to even get a PS5 (even if I really like their games).
Been a lurker for over 15 years lolah you're new here.
Don't mind him, he's been living in his dream world ever since this machine was announced
it's not like the power budget is a very early step in the design process
200 watt is a very typical value and the Series X is very efficient with it
No, it is to constrain power draw and heat. Noise is a result of how fast you are running the fan, you can achieve a quiet fan profile by using a large diameter fan at low rpm.The design around the PS5 adjusting to workloads was to make the console quiet
I realized after I quoted you that you're not new. haha!Been a lurker for over 15 years lol
I am not sure if you people expect no sound at all or what. My ps5 is quieter than PS4 slim was. And quieter than my pc 3080fe alone.This is true. My PS5 has both coil whine and a melodic fan hum. If I turn up my TV volume enough it drowns it out but it is clearly more audible than the XSX.
Holy shit, I nearly spat my coffee
I'm sure that the yeld of those high frequency of the PS5 is also lots worst than 1.8ghz of the xsx
RDNA2 is made to be clocked high by design, PS5 isn’t very high clocked compared to their GPUs for comparison.I don't know if you can even say that it's "a lot worse" without knowing how many good chips Sony can get out of a wafer.
Also it isn't that strange that the PS5 is clocked high when other RDNA2 GPUs have similar clock speeds.
Just my opinion I don't believe yields are that bad otherwise there would be a huge impact on production. Really bad yields could potentially cause Sony to produce less systems than Microsoft but I'm not seeing that happening.
You most definitely can hear a whisper.We need to use common sense here.
A whisper is 30 dB and you can't hear what someone is whispering into someone's ear a foot away.
How tf you going to hear the difference between PS5 and XBSX.
You would hear other sounds before you hear these consoles.
Most of you all are lying for no reason.
So its a wash between them.
I guess you guys talk loud when whispering.You most definitely can hear a whisper.
Can't make out what they're saying but you can hear that something is being said.
XSX is hotter.Being quieter and drawing less energy equals a wash to you?
All the people that complain about PS5's coil whine are trolls?XSX is hotter.
Only a troll would say noise was a issue for either.
Was coil whine mentioned?All the people that complain about PS5's coil whine are trolls?