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[jedimike]

Harmonix is 'looking into' bringing Dance Central to PS3. Wii? Apparently not, unfortunately.

http://kotaku.com/5569957/harmonix-dance-central-could-come-to-ps3-but-not-wii



Judging by reaction to the game among Kinect fans, this might be a bat signal for MS to throw some monies Harmonix's way.

I'm not seeing how the Move controls would be different from Wii. With Kinect, you get 19 points of articulation or something like that. With Wii and Move you get the controller position and the inputs from the accelerometers... Kinect would be more accurate than Move or Wii.

 

[JaggedSac]

I'm not seeing how the Move controls would be different from Wii. With Kinect, you get 19 points of articulation or something like that. With Wii and Move you get the controller position and the inputs from the accelerometers... Kinect would be more accurate than Move or Wii.

They could possibly use the RGB output from the Eye to add some functionality. It wouldn't be as robust as Kinect though. A kick towards the camera might be difficult to differentiate from a kick backwards using RGB.

 

[Iced_Eagle]

Harmonix is 'looking into' bringing Dance Central to PS3. Wii? Apparently not, unfortunately.

http://kotaku.com/5569957/harmonix-dance-central-could-come-to-ps3-but-not-wii



Judging by reaction to the game among Kinect fans, this might be a bat signal for MS to throw some monies Harmonix's way.

Even if it came to Move, having the controllers in your hand would be so lame and not feel as much like dancing.

 

[DeadGzuz]

I'm not seeing how the Move controls would be different from Wii. With Kinect, you get 19 points of articulation or something like that. With Wii and Move you get the controller position and the inputs from the accelerometers... Kinect would be more accurate than Move or Wii.

Yes, it would have to be different internally, but we are talking about gesture detection. The Move would obviously be very precise for hand motion, but can the Eye be used for gross body detection? We know the Eye SDK has skeletal detection, but lighting would be important. It's not like these games have to be perfect, they are for casual, who most the time could be watching a DVD play back and not know the difference.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Yeah, that would be different in very important ways, not least of which it would lose the instantaneous and graceful effect of just walking into the space and dancing...no calibration, no silly handheld devices or strapped-on sensors...just dance. As well, the amount of consistently-trackable limbs would be limited in quality thanks to the hard limitations of no depth sensing and no ability to see in dark or not-classically ideal lighting situations. It would essentially be Just Dance +.

 

[gofreak]

I'm not seeing how the Move controls would be different from Wii. With Kinect, you get 19 points of articulation or something like that. With Wii and Move you get the controller position and the inputs from the accelerometers... Kinect would be more accurate than Move or Wii.

On Wii I think it would be hard to keep accurate position tracking for long (M+ or no). Move on the other hand can give them accurate hand position, consistently.

As for 'the rest', it's a good question, but I wouldn't put it past Harmonix going beyond the controller to get more input from the camera. Given their eyetoy experience.

On top of that - correct me if I'm wrong - but this game doesn't give you direct visibility of your own input. It scores you as you go, but you don't actually see a 1:1 representation of yourself. So there's room for filtering of input, and 'hiding' of mistakes made in its input interpretation. Just Dance proved you could do this to a high degree, and its arguable if much of the audience noticed or cared even with such heavy filtering. In this case wouldn't be AS necessary as it was on Wii; from Harmonix's own comments there it sounds like they think they could get into a range of input with Move that would be acceptable (even if not ideal) for their purposes.

 

[PhatSaqs]

There is in game player representation.

 

[gofreak]

There is in game player representation.

I was looking hard for a good 30 seconds before I spotted that..even with the arrow :lol I think they could (and would) take that out for any Move game (unless they wanted to do silhouette extraction with the eye...but that would be dependent on lighting then). I'm not sure if many people would notice, it's not exactly front and center.

Anyway, there ain't much point speculating on implementation except that I'd trust Harmonix to do a good job (at least vs other move or wii dance games, whatever about the kinect version). We'll see if they come up with one.

 

[Ninja Moomin]

if ms has any sense they would pay to keep this exclusive

 

[Solid warrior]

if ms has any sense they would pay to keep this exclusive

I think Dance Central is currently a time exclusive for 360 as the PS3 version will 'eventually' come out but they haven't announced it for the PS3 yet.

 

[jedimike]

Anyway, there ain't much point speculating on implementation except that I'd trust Harmonix to do a good job (at least vs other move or wii dance games, whatever about the kinect version). We'll see if they come up with one.

For certain, Harmonix will make a great game. I just found it odd that they felt Wii could not play in their line-up because of the limitations. Honestly, I did forget about the PS3 camera... I keep thinking of only the controllers when I think Move.

It'll be fun to see the Kinect and Move go head to head.

 

[Dyno]

Poison by Bel Biv Devoe?!? Oh shit, it's on bitches! I'll school the entire earth when that drops!

 

[MightyHedgehog]

if ms has any sense they would pay to keep this exclusive

Aside from making DC a big front face for Kinect in marketing, I don't see the point. Harmonix/MTV Games will want to do it if they think they can deliver something good...but without significant improvement to the vision and tracking for other platforms (like adding a depth sensing camera and a quality of software similar to MS'), the X360 Kinect version will have an inherent advantage. I just cannot see the Kinect version being anything but the best version and any comparison to a Move version will benefit MS because of the highlighted differences. Let 'em make it cross platform, the outcome will be nothing short of interesting.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Aside from making DC a big front face for Kinect in marketing, I don't see the point. Harmonix/MTV Games will want to do it if they think they can deliver something good...but without significant improvement to the vision and tracking for other platforms (like adding a depth sensing camera and a quality of software similar to MS'), the X360 Kinect version will have an inherent advantage. I just cannot see the Kinect version being anything but the best version and any comparison to a Move version will benefit MS because of the highlighted differences. Let 'em make it cross platform, the outcome will be nothing short of interesting.

Totally agreed.

 

[Totobeni]

Harmonix is 'looking into' bringing Dance Central to PS3. Wii? Apparently not, unfortunately.

http://kotaku.com/5569957/harmonix-d...s3-but-not-wii

hmmm , it will be useless if it's using Move controllers since the point was this is controller free, and if it's just using PSeye camera for input I think it will be gimped version since PSeye don't do tracking ( can PSeye do body tracking ? only head tracking iirc ) but maybe they have a way around that , we'll see soon I guess.

 

[Prine]

This game will sell Kinect. All MS have to do is setup kiosks in stores, bars and maybe clubs, that will be enough to start word of mouth.

Like when you were a kid and passed a camera and see yourself on TV, Kinect representation of you in-game could have the same effect. You stop, watch and experiment, this intigue grows because the movements are personal to you.

Im buying it because i love to dance , everyone that finds a beat they like do.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Like when you were a kid and passed a camera and see yourself on TV, Kinect representation of you in-game could have the same effect.

Honestly, if MS doesn't hook up existing X360 kiosks with a Kinect camera and a custom app to just focus on capturing people as Avatars and animating them based on the tracking, I'll be astounded and disappointed at them missing such a no-brainer of an opportunity. That's like a magician pulling a quarter out from behind your ear sort of ice-breaker Kinect could easily do and the impression and the understanding of why this is different from other camera/software acquisition systems would be profound and immediate. Plus, there's be no risk of having random children chewing up and drooling all over your controllers, but perhaps more frequent and animated customer pileups in front of the kiosk in that aisle.

 

[Ninja Moomin]

Aside from making DC a big front face for Kinect in marketing, I don't see the point. Harmonix/MTV Games will want to do it if they think they can deliver something good...but without significant improvement to the vision and tracking for other platforms (like adding a depth sensing camera and a quality of software similar to MS'), the X360 Kinect version will have an inherent advantage. I just cannot see the Kinect version being anything but the best version and any comparison to a Move version will benefit MS because of the highlighted differences. Let 'em make it cross platform, the outcome will be nothing short of interesting.

move can track depth? sure only the controller light.... but it can


guess it really depends on whether singstar dance can be competed with....


BTW: why isnt it called dancestar?

 

[MightyHedgehog]

move can track depth? sure only the controller light.... but it can

It can rely upon an orb for tracking that single point in depth, yeah...so if you bought four Move controllers and strapped two to your shins and held the other two in your hands (like a certain hilarious patent image from Sony depicts), it's not difficult to imagine using a third anchor point in your face/head being tracked to, via simple inverse kinematics, estimate angles and positions for connecting parts, like the arms and shoulders (things with predictable and more accurately estimable relationships and constraints on movement), as Dr. Marks and colleague has demonstrated. Enough positional, spatial information might provide just enough to built a skeleton around. If the lighting is good enough, even intentionally designed to pulse bright lights at the player from the display to get a consistent look at the silhouette of the player in front of the PS Eye, you might be able to keep that conformed to a regular shape of yourself (captured at the start of a session...probably a silhouette captured during Move controller calibration for ranges of movement) to produce a possibly accurate enough look to start asking the player to be judged by the the quality of their full body dance and pose...maybe. Big maybe. If it can work like that, it's still just never going to be as good as Kinect because of the limitations in hardware and software, though.

 

[backbreaker65]

Move can "do" gesture-based games similar to Harmonix's excellent Kinect title, Dance Central. The E3 unveiling of the accomplished SingStar Dance proved that while full-body scanning can't be achieved, the overall effect turns out to be much the same.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-playstation-move-tech-interview

 

[Konosuke]

Maybe it works like Zumba Fitness? http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2010-zumba-fitness/700813

 

[[Nintex]]

Move can "do" gesture-based games similar to Harmonix's excellent Kinect title, Dance Central. The E3 unveiling of the accomplished SingStar Dance proved that while full-body scanning can't be achieved, the overall effect turns out to be much the same.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-playstation-move-tech-interview

That sounds pretty moist

 

[backbreaker65]

That sounds pretty moist

Yes it does.

 

[felipeko]

I got to play JD this weekend (first time) and it was certainly fun. But I couldn't help thinking how much funner Dance Central was going to be. The biggest problem with JD is that the best dancer doesn't win. The person who manipulates the controller better than everyone else wins. We all tried to perform the moves to maintain the spirit of the game, but it was very imprecise.

Just Dance is mostly based on timing. Your best dancer probably has a bad timing.
Me and my friends beaten all Musics on 15,000+. And just dancing, not trying to cheat.
Sometimes the controller didn't seem to work, until we found that our arms were twisted, or our hands, or we were moving more than necessary, or less... If you really replicate the moves of the screen the game will reward you.

And while i agree that Dance Central will teach you way better (Just Dance dont do that), idon't think it will be way funner, as it's one player only.

 

[Maxwell House]

Nm

 

[Maxwell House]

This game will be awesome and is great for fans of electronic music (potentially). I hope harmonic releases downloadable songs e every week ala rock band. I can see myself buying a massive amount of songs for this game.

How long before rock band becomes three singers, two guitars, drummer, keyboardist, dj and dancer for nine player masssive mayhem?

Out of all the kinect and move games shown at e3, I thi k this is the only launch title with the potential to sell a million plus copies. It could be a massive hit seeing as how it will be the first true dancing game, a game where you actually dance instead of just tapping circles on the floor or wave a waggle wand around.

 

[velvet_nitemare]

And while i agree that Dance Central will teach you way better (Just Dance dont do that), idon't think it will be way funner, as it's one player only.

WTF, when was this confirmed to be 1 player only?

 

[felipeko]

WTF, when was this confirmed to be 1 player only?

Every video, demo, teaser only shows 1 player... Not confirmed, yet, if that other kinect thread is anything to go by, 2 player is the limit.

 

[velvet_nitemare]

Every video, demo, teaser only shows 1 player... Not confirmed, yet, if that other kinect thread is anything to go by, 2 player is the limit.

2 player or bust imo. No way a game of this sort would support just one player, would be retarded.

 

[sangreal]

They already said there was a two player mode, but you don't dance at the same time.

Also, you can have background dancers as seen in the videos linked in this thread, but they don't get scored

 

[Vicetrailia]

So does this game teach you popping, tutting, hitting, waving and gliding?

I'm not going to purchase Kinect, but if I did have one for some reason and some game featured things like that and more, I'd consider getting it.

 

[Jtrizzy]

If it doesn't support two players then it's a complete bust for me. That can't be true...I was hoping for 4 player support.

 

[Meier]

I played this yesterday.. had a blast. My video on the Kinect.me site isn't working though.

It tracks the back-up dancer but it didn't seem like their score counted.. you could see the infrared outline though next to yours on the right.

 

[parasight]

10 new songs announced:

• Basement Jaxx: "Rendez-Vu"

• Nelly Furtado: "Maneater"

• Benny Benassi: "Satisfaction"

• Nina Sky: "Move Ya Body"

• Cascada: "Evacuate the Dancefloor"

• Pitbull: "I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho)"

• Fannypack: "Hey Mami"

• Rihanna: "Pon de Replay"

• Kool & The Gang: "Jungle Boogie"

• Technotronic: "Pump Up the Jam"

• Kylie Minogue: "Can't Get You Out of My Head"

Love me some Kylie.

http://kotaku.com/5614674/dance-central-to-get-jungle-boogie


EDIT: Also, what in the hell is this lady wearing on her hands? Leg warmers?

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/galang-gameplay-dance-central/702937

 

[golem]

Damn solid list so far

 

[jon bones]

killer app

looks like i'm getting a kinect!

 

[PhatSaqs]

killer app

looks like i'm getting a kinect!

Indeed.

 

[parasight]

http://www.giantbomb.com/dance-central-interview/17-3070/

Really good video that talks about a lot of the new stuff revealed at GamesCon. Along with your typical GiantBomb laughs.

 

[Dai101]

SOLD!!

 

[parasight]

Went over the video again and a bunch of unannounced songs were shown on the list. As well as Don't Sweat The Technique being mentioned as one of the most calorie burning songs.

Eric B. & Rakin - Don't Sweat The Technique
Soulja Boy - Crank That Soulja Boy
Jay Sean - Down (could be a different artist, just basing it on opinion)
Quad City DJ's - C'mon'n Ride It (The Train)

Add that to what's been announced:

Basement Jaxx - "Rendez-Vu"
Benny Banassi - "Satisfaction"
Cascada - "Evacuate the Dancefloor"
Fannypack - "Hey Mami"
Kool & The Gang - "Jungle Boogie"
Kylie Minogue - "Can't Get Your Out of My Head"
Nelly Furtado - "Maneater"
Nina Sky - "Move Ya Body"
Pitbull - "I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho)"
Rihanna - "Pon de Replay"
Technotronic - "Pump Up the Jam"
Beastie Boys - "Body Movin' (Fatboy Slim Remix)"
Bell Biv DeVoe - "Poison"
Lady Gaga - "Poker Face"
Lipps Inc - "Funkytown"
M.I.A. - "Galang '05"
No Doubt - "Hella Good"
Salt-N-Pepa - "Push It"
Snoop Dogg/Pharrell - "Drop It Like It's Hot"
Young MC - "Bust A Move"
Craig Mack - "Flava In Your Ear"
Wreckx-N-Effect - "Rump Shaker"
Christina Milian - "Dip It Low"

27 Songs in Total so far. Great mix of them too IMO.

 

[Skiptastic]

Went over the video again and a bunch of unannounced songs were shown on the list. As well as Don't Sweat The Technique being mentioned as one of the most calorie burning songs.

Eric B. & Rakin - Don't Sweat The Technique
Soulja Boy - Crank That Soulja Boy
Jay Sean - Down (could be a different artist, just basing it on opinion)
Quad City DJ's - C'mon'n Ride It (The Train)

Add that to what's been announced:

Basement Jaxx - "Rendez-Vu"
Benny Banassi - "Satisfaction"
Cascada - "Evacuate the Dancefloor"
Fannypack - "Hey Mami"
Kool & The Gang - "Jungle Boogie"
Kylie Minogue - "Can't Get Your Out of My Head"
Nelly Furtado - "Maneater"
Nina Sky - "Move Ya Body"
Pitbull - "I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho)"
Rihanna - "Pon de Replay"
Technotronic - "Pump Up the Jam"
Beastie Boys - "Body Movin' (Fatboy Slim Remix)"
Bell Biv DeVoe - "Poison"
Lady Gaga - "Poker Face"
Lipps Inc - "Funkytown"
M.I.A. - "Galang '05"
No Doubt - "Hella Good"
Salt-N-Pepa - "Push It"
Snoop Dogg/Pharrell - "Drop It Like It's Hot"
Young MC - "Bust A Move"
Craig Mack - "Flava In Your Ear"
Wreckx-N-Effect - "Rump Shaker"
Christina Milian - "Dip It Low"

27 Songs in Total so far. Great mix of them too IMO.

Holy shit, that is an awesome setlist. Rendez-Vu from the Jaxx? Kylie? Evacuate the Dancefloor? Shit, I might have to jump in, now.

 

[Maxwell House]

That is a great setlist so far and all the reviews have been glowing, saying the game is very, very fun.

I think this thing is going to sell very well this holiday season and will end up being Kinect's killer app.

Any idea what the killer app for Move is looking to be? Tumble maybe?

 

[Manager]

This one was uploaded yesterday, showing Poison with "real" dancers (the song Turk dance in Scrubs):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVxWEii3Jw4

Really looking forward to this title, will be such a blast at parties.

Liking the description :lol

After we left the Rock Band 3 presentation we got a little taste of what Dance Central had to offer... honestly this is what got me hooked on the game... especially the really hot dancer in the front .... yeah

 

[John Harker]

This one was uploaded yesterday, showing Poison with "real" dancers (the song Turk dance in Scrubs):

oh you don't say

 

[Jamesfrom818]

oh you don't say

:lol

 

[PSGames]

That is a great setlist so far and all the reviews have been glowing, saying the game is very, very fun.

I think this thing is going to sell very well this holiday season and will end up being Kinect's killer app.

Any idea what the killer app for Move is looking to be? Tumble maybe?

:lol

Ok you got me with that one.

 

[Skiptastic]

This one was uploaded yesterday, showing Poison with "real" dancers (the song Turk dance in Scrubs):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVxWEii3Jw4

Really looking forward to this title, will be such a blast at parties.

Liking the description :lol

Awesome video, awesome description...awesome dancer.

 

[Jokergrin]

This is gonna be the ultimate game to break out at a party.

No more lame plastic instruments or dance pads

This game is gonna make Kinect huge, the word of mouth will be ridiculous.

 

[D23]

im seriously considering getting kinect JUST for this game... decision, decision.

 

[Struct09]

I played a bunch of Dance Central at PAX this weekend, and it was completely awesome. It really makes me want to get a Kinect just for this game.