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Has Brawl raised the standard for fighters?
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Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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Pellham said:
lol.
I basically hate Brawl; however, I do agree that some fighters should do more to 'spice up' the breadth of the experience. My favorite aspect of DOA4 was the survival mode, and collecting the items as they dropped from fallen enemies, for example.
I enjoy fighters, but I don't have enough discipline to do nothing but memorize combos for months on end. If more traditional fighters could incorporate more casual, collection-based, or tangential gameplay elements, I think that would be a good thing.
I enjoy fighters, but I don't have enough discipline to do nothing but memorize combos for months on end. If more traditional fighters could incorporate more casual, collection-based, or tangential gameplay elements, I think that would be a good thing.
MisterHero
Super Member
people saying Soulcalibur is any better, it IS better than smash, including rising above pithy fanwank
just forget that Darth Vader and Yoda exist tho
and the OMFG-sized breastesez
just forget that Darth Vader and Yoda exist tho
and the OMFG-sized breastesez
A Link to the Past
Banned
Why do people talk about the fanservice as if it cancels out the in-game content?
And, I repeat
It's a fighting game
It doesn't have to be traditional to be a fighting game.
And, I repeat
It's a fighting game
It doesn't have to be traditional to be a fighting game.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
OP said:
Aside from quest mode in Soul Calibur/Virtua Fighter, Survival mode in just about everything, practice mode with customizable computer setups, demo modes, bonus button-mashing car destruction games, and SFA's dramatic battles...what more do you want in a SP fighting game?
Not every game needs a platforming/side-scrolling element to be complete.
Amir0x said:
Who the fuck cares? What's that have to do with it's core game play and the fact that it IS a god damn fighter? Saying it's not is just asinine.
I'm sorry if you don't like Nintendo mascots but the game is a blast to play and the irrational Smash hate reeks of fanboyism.
PepsimanVsJoe
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Yoboman said:
Oh no it's a fine game(even though I sold it just recently), it just has content I really wouldn't want to see in other fighting games.
Actually strike that let me see....
-Enormous number of songs. Good
-Stage editor. No way
-Single player game action/platformer/brawler/??? Eh I dunno. I've yet to encounter any truly memorable single player modes in fighters.
-Online play. Definitely...as long as it isn't as bad as SSBB's.
-Large roster. Certainly couldn't hurt, then again it could if the balance is bad and everyone just uses the same 2 or 3 characters.
-Trophies/stickers. Pointless IMO.
-Replay feature. Great but other fighting games are already using it(like VF5)
MisterHero
Super Member
You're right, but Tekken Force would be better if it didn't suck.Sho_Nuff82 said:
Welcome to 10 years ago.tribal24 said:
Also, people might argue back and forth whether MvC2 advances or regresses the genre from more traditional SF, relying more on flair and less on exact controls. So listing those together might be contradictory.
and the fail keep on failingPantherLotus said:
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Of course its a fighting game. A fighting game that, when you're actually fighting, hasn't changed at ALL from the previous version. So, still no.
Yoboman
Member
I wouldn't mind seeing a bit more exposition and context to each fight. Give the characters in Tekken (or whatever game you choose) a bit more personality than what comes through in a bit of text and a shitty unsatisfying clip at the end of the last boss. Build real time cutscenes that build up to a fight. Only for the story mode of course, arcade mode for pure fighting
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Deleted member 17706
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I enjoy Smash Brother just as much as the next person, but let's not go pretending that it is a "real" fighting game that should be compared with the likes of Street Fighter, Virtua Fighter, Tekken, etc... It's a fun game, but it's definitely more of a competitive party game than an actual fighting game.
rollingstart
Banned
No, not even content wise.
If you break down what Brawl has that could be in other fighting games, there isnt a lot. Stage creator is useless in other fighting games other than appearance. SSE is cool, but it can be compared to the beat em up modes found in Tekken games. As for a large number of characters, Brawl cant stand upto MvC2. Online play has been done better by DoA and now it looks like SF2HD is gonna also have a good online system going for it. Brawl is a bit like Halo 3 in that there are a lot of features from other games in it, and while usually these features arent as robust as other games, it does contain them all and is easy to use.
If you break down what Brawl has that could be in other fighting games, there isnt a lot. Stage creator is useless in other fighting games other than appearance. SSE is cool, but it can be compared to the beat em up modes found in Tekken games. As for a large number of characters, Brawl cant stand upto MvC2. Online play has been done better by DoA and now it looks like SF2HD is gonna also have a good online system going for it. Brawl is a bit like Halo 3 in that there are a lot of features from other games in it, and while usually these features arent as robust as other games, it does contain them all and is easy to use.
Oh man, tell that to Smash Boards.PantherLotus said:
They will scream at you about tripping, unified falling speeds, total change of the air dodging system, speed, etc.
"it's a game where you fight, BUT IT'S NOT A REAL FIGHTING GAME BECAUSE IT HAS MARIO AND PIKACHU IN IT"Zefah said:
Zerodoppler
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The game needed a custom soundtrack option. Badly.
MrNyarlathotep said:
:lol Wait, KoF is a fan service fighter now? You couldn't probably make that argument for the first couple, but not anymore.
Since when does MUGEN count for anything?
Anyways, it's certainly raised some sort of make believe standard for extra stuff you can shove into in a fighter I guess. SSE is a neat mode but after some play-throughs at work, it's served it's purpose like Tekken Force used to before it. Stickers, trophies, etc. That's all junk. The only worthwhile stuff in the game are the stages and music. Now THOSE I give the game props for. Just a stupid amount of fun stages and music to fight to. Good stuff. I honestly would like to see more stages/music in other fighting games.
That's about it really.
Can we let fighting games be fighting games? =x
No. It's probably upped the standards for Smash-esque fighters, but traditional coin op breed fighters I see taking little from it, maybe throwback music from previous iterations and spin offs and hopefully replay sharing.
Level design in a SF, what? Proper single player in an SF, what?
And most fighters ship with a diverse cast, I don't see the issue there.
Level design in a SF, what? Proper single player in an SF, what?
And most fighters ship with a diverse cast, I don't see the issue there.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Gagaman said:
I was actually thinking that Square, Enix, and Disney could combine to make SUPER RPG KINGDOM FIGHTER BADASSERY.
In this case:
Square = Nintendo (where the main cast of FF characters = the main cast of Nintendo franchise characters)
Enix = Pokemon (where the bestiary from DQ is infinitely more creative and well designed than Pokemon)
Disney = Those characters that will never get another game (where Nes, Kirby, and Starfox = Mickey, Goofy, and Pluto)
Yoboman said:
you know, looking at this more, Smash doesn't actually have much of an upper hand compared to a lot of fighters. A lot of games have these features. You also erroneously point out that other fighting games don't have diverse casts or good soundtracks, which is straight bullshit.
I'm thinking of things that are different in Smash single player that other fighters don't have:
--collecting trophies
--SSE
--Coin shooting game?
--level editor
Those don't really fit into the context of an actual fighting game.
and btw, many would find some of brawl's features to be half baked. Online, for example, is complete trash, even when compared to CvS2 and SF:Anniversary, which have very bare-bones online set ups.
I dunno, I just think you're letting the Brawl hype get to you...
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
The Soul Calibur series will probably continue its dominance in the amount of content and unlockables with the 4th iteration.
I would be shocked if any other fighter even comes close.
I would be shocked if any other fighter even comes close.
Zefah said:
I grew up in the arcades cutting my teeth on games like Street Fighter II and the like, and I cannot believe people are writing this game off as "fan-service wankery" and a "competitive party game."
Perhaps it's because Nintendo created Smash Bros. to be accessible to any skill level that people don't take the time to find the depth in it. I think sometimes this is the case with a lot of Nintendo games.
I can play Smash with my kid or my older brother and have a load of fun, but they're two different experiences all together.
I just want a shitload of characters, after renting Smash Bros, that is what I walked away with in my memories.
Also betting on online matches, shit had me addicted.
The side scrolling thing I cannot see working well on other fighters (one of the Tekken's did this, right? .. meh, if they put that in, whatever).
I am still unsure what this thread is asking for. I know it isn't the stickers/trophies. Lots of music I think is a given (every fighting game nearly always adds more with each iteration). Interactive levels are cool, as long as they are countered with a good amount of non-interactive levels too (as to focus on the actual fighting gameplay). If there is a toggle for this, im fine with that.
Also betting on online matches, shit had me addicted.
The side scrolling thing I cannot see working well on other fighters (one of the Tekken's did this, right? .. meh, if they put that in, whatever).
I am still unsure what this thread is asking for. I know it isn't the stickers/trophies. Lots of music I think is a given (every fighting game nearly always adds more with each iteration). Interactive levels are cool, as long as they are countered with a good amount of non-interactive levels too (as to focus on the actual fighting gameplay). If there is a toggle for this, im fine with that.
boutrosinit
Street Fighter IV World Champion
Absolutely not, in any way, shape or form.
MisterHero
Super Member
Tekken 4 had varied terrain/elevations (which I liked but Tekken 5 took away), and DoA still does. Though not a great example, so does Mortal Kombat Deception/Armageddon.Linkzg said:
I'm sorry, if I had to choose, I'd take MvC1 over MvC2. The latter's music and stages blow.
I'm a bit surprised at the guys in here more or less skillfully tapdancing around the topic at hand for the sake of attacking Brawl or even going offtopic. This is not a "Is Brawl a good Fighter?" thread, it's a "Is the amount of content in Brawl a significant improvement to the status quo of fighting games?" thread.
Not having played the game, and not liking fighters in general, I still estimate the bar to be raised. Sure, the soundtracks could easily be replaced by a custom soundtrack option, and replays have been done before, and a stage builder is kinda useless for many of the standard fighters, but taken together with the amount of fighters, the extensive single player mode, and all the other features, all in one single game, Brawl sounds like one hell of an improvement for me. On the other hand, I'm probably not qualified to talk about this, as I dislike the average figher, like I've already stated. Moreover I'm pretty interested in Brawl, so I'm biased anyway I guess.
In the end it gets down to two (or more) guys in one arena, and even the graphics take a backseat, while frame-perfect control and button-presses take precendence over everything else. Content may not matter in that most important aspect: beating the tar out of each other. But it always helps, I'd guess.
So, for what it's worth: I'm with the OP.
Not having played the game, and not liking fighters in general, I still estimate the bar to be raised. Sure, the soundtracks could easily be replaced by a custom soundtrack option, and replays have been done before, and a stage builder is kinda useless for many of the standard fighters, but taken together with the amount of fighters, the extensive single player mode, and all the other features, all in one single game, Brawl sounds like one hell of an improvement for me. On the other hand, I'm probably not qualified to talk about this, as I dislike the average figher, like I've already stated. Moreover I'm pretty interested in Brawl, so I'm biased anyway I guess.
In the end it gets down to two (or more) guys in one arena, and even the graphics take a backseat, while frame-perfect control and button-presses take precendence over everything else. Content may not matter in that most important aspect: beating the tar out of each other. But it always helps, I'd guess.
So, for what it's worth: I'm with the OP.
McBradders
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Leave real fighting games alone aside from replay sharing D:
Prime crotch
Banned
As much as I hate post-Mortal Kombat 4 games, Brawl has nothing on Midway's awful fighters content-wise.
Fighting game elitists never cease to amuse me.
Actually, scratch that, game elitists of any kind never cease to amuse me.
"Sure you fight in it but it's NOT A REAL FIGHTIN' GAME!"
"Sure you shoot in it but it's NOT A REAL SHOOTIN' GAME!"
"Sure you level up and fight monsters in turn-based battles BUT IT'S NOT A REAL RPG!"
Actually, scratch that, game elitists of any kind never cease to amuse me.
"Sure you fight in it but it's NOT A REAL FIGHTIN' GAME!"
"Sure you shoot in it but it's NOT A REAL SHOOTIN' GAME!"
"Sure you level up and fight monsters in turn-based battles BUT IT'S NOT A REAL RPG!"
lastendconductor
Put your snobby liquids into my mouth!
Hahahahahahahaha :lol :lol :lol :lol
Brawl should be happy to be called "a fighter".
Brawl should be happy to be called "a fighter".
rollingstart
Banned
MisterHero said:
I forgot about the DoA games (its hard not to forget about them), and it would actually be pretty cool to build elaborate stages. I know I would build one where you fight in an airplane wing, then you can throw someone into the engine.
and I dont really like the MvC games, so I have no preference for either reallly, not to say I wouldent still really want MvC3 with Gene.
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