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Has the Wii-U saved us this Gen?
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I am glad I don't understand what people mean by that.
3D World is about as "real Mario" as one can get.
ForsakenLotus
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It's going to be interesting to see how the Wii U is remembered. There aren't a lot of Wii U fans, but those who are certainly are very vocal about their love for the console.
Pyramid head
Banned
I wish I could.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
This has to be one of the biggest thread backfires I've seen since that thread in OT where this guy got offended because an employee made a sports jab at him xD
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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Eyeroll right back at you. 3D-World is mediocre Mario, just slightly better than the NSMB franchise, but nowhere near the level of excellence that 1, 2 (yes Doki Doki panic), 3, World, 64, or Galaxy 1/2 achieved.
I'll restate... I want a stellar Mario, not mediocrity.
It also an absolutely phenomenal game. I think at the end of the day, people don't want to believe that a semi-2D Mario could possibly be the best original game currently on the market.
tiebreaker
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Not really. Most just hate reading hyperbolic titles and phrases like "pure gaming bliss".
pretty much. There is also a quasi religious tinge to some comments that can be off putting like ''wii u saved me'.
I guess you're right in that the OP should be clear on what it wants to debate but and I certainly wouldn't mind higher quality discussion myself.
As for the value of the competition, that is absolutely up for debate.
I mean you kinda have to exclude PC because it's kinda like comparing Nintendo's WiiU to Sony's PS1 to PS4 combined.
I mean it's hardly fair.
For the ps4 and the xbone, even launch aligned it's not far fetched to consider both of Nintendo's competitor trash (even more so if you limit to 1rst party for some reason...seriously what have MSFT released that was even slightly good lately? Sony ain't that much better, and I like Killzone!).
Heck if you really don't like anything the likes of EA or ATVI put out, there's not really any point to them as you'll find greater value elsewhere for a fraction of the price.
Then again, I don't throw away old games, so I tend to not find current Nintendo's offering that interesting and find the competition even worse.
On that we can agree.
Unless you have a hateboner for anything loosely related to a red plumber no one would consider WiiU to have no value at all.
For the 2nd question, if WiiU saved this gen, by god we're all doomed for the future gens.
knack is fucking awesome
Werewolf Jones
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"The Wii-U isn't good unless it has [insert game I want here] to come out."
Yes, let us discredit the Wii-U for the lack of games it has that interest you.
Yes, let us discredit the Wii-U for the lack of games it has that interest you.
CrowDieSlow
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"The Wii-U isn't good unless it has [insert game I want here] to come out."
Yes, let us discredit the Wii-U for the lack of games it has that interest you.
People do the same for every console, so apparently that's fair game.
Be careful when you'll climb down from that horse, it's rather high.
No one gave 2 shit when the collective was singing the praise of the church of Bloodborne, but say that sentence for some product by a company starting with a 'N' and boom like a ton of bricks.
We even have threads where people have to explain why Animal Crossing might be fun to play.
I guess you're not a gamer if you like mobile games, amirite?
POWERSPHERE
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I totally agree. Its the only current console i own and i have zero interest in the Xbone or PS4. They just offer nothing new, interesting or exciting. The games have been some of the best in Nintendos history, VC is finally good and off screen is a godsend. Love it.
If it didnt exist, I dont think id still be playing console games.
If it didnt exist, I dont think id still be playing console games.
about right
thelastcrusader
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Umm...I think OP meant the PS4 saved this gen...
You know with the mass amount of f2p games, exclusives, indie titles, mmos, etc. The WiiU...
You know with the mass amount of f2p games, exclusives, indie titles, mmos, etc. The WiiU...
Lmao this. If anything the PC I built last April saved me from the less-than-impressive hardware and online paywalls of the current gen consoles.
Even though the Wii U has no online paywall, the hardware is a fucking joke and so is the third party support. The 3DS is the best way to get my fill of Nintendo this gen, just as the DS was the best way last gen.
At the rate the Japanese mid/AAA industry is dropping traditional gaming for mobile and none gaming industries I think the WiiU will be remembered more fondly than you expect.
me0wish
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Just like how the Wii saved last gen for me.
Because its all about quantity, I think phones saved gaming.
Because its all about quantity, I think phones saved gaming.
WickedLaharl
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Awesomely mediocre
I thought it was awesome.
InfiniteCombo
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Oh my freaking god, this has to be in the running for best GAF post ever. So true.
I don't have a problem with the Wii U. I actually enjoy mine very much, and will continue to enjoy it for the foreseeable future. As others have said, it's a flawed console redeemed by a [IMO] great first party library, and makes for a good companion console for the PC/PS4/Xbox One.
It hasn't saved MY interest in gaming, since I'd still very much be gaming if Nintendo were not around this gen. I understand folks being passionate about gaming, but the blind, rabid zealotry coming from some on the Nintendo camp is annoying to no end. In my anecdotal experience, I only largely see this in Nintendo-based threads, probably due to folks feeling the need to defend Nintendo's underdog status this gen.
No, Nintendo's game design philosophies are not the only good ones. No, Nintendo isn't always the only video game company that cares about its audience; as a matter of fact, they have their share of anti-consumer behaviors going on. No, there's no such freaking thing as "Nintendo magic" (ugh). And, by all objective measures and even some subjective ones, Nintendo hasn't saved jack shit.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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All that could be right except... there is such thing as Nintendo Magic
me0wish
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As someone going through the PS2 library right now, I'd agree with you two gens ago, but not now. But this is coming from someone who would rather play Pushmo over The Last of Us, so opinions.
I don't think this gen needs saving. PS4 is selling by the tonne, and XB1 is outpacing the 360 and is doing great too.
The WiiU has some decent titles, but by and large the gaming community has not found them enticing enough to get. I can't see it as a compelling single console purchase unless you are already a die hard nintendo fan. In a few years when it is selling for 100 maybe more will dip in, but even the Nintendo is notorious for not lowering the price on its games, so the cost of entry to try the good nintendo titles will always be too high for most consumers.
Nintendo needs to make their next console compelling and powerful enough to offer 3rd party support, as well as offer an online service that is catered exclusively to children (better friends-service, real voice chat). Parental controls and options will give the platform broader appeal.
The fact of the matter is that most Nintendo titles no longer have strong appeal to the vast majority of gamers. Doesn't mean WiiU owners won't enjoy the few offerings and sing their praises, but they need to accept that Nintendo gaming feels stagnant and out of touch to a lot of gamers who are now more grown up. Nintendo is losing bringing in the new generation of children as children now have options other than expensive Nintendo games. Most kids now play minecraft and mobile/tablet games.
The generation who grew up on nintendo titles has largely left the bright, cartoony worlds of Mario and company behind. Nintendo has contracted its efforts to a few major pillars (Mario and Zelda). Just look at how many kids that pick up smash now for the first time have no idea who most of the characters are. Nintendo lets its great IPs of the past rot in a cell darker than Rare during the kinect years. Most gamers are now between 18-34, and want dark, action based games like GTA, CoD, and all the other major blockbusters that sell millions every year.
The fact that you cannot get the major, 3rd party games at all on Nintendo is why the WiiU is gonna be one of the worst selling consoles of all time.
I can see Nintendo launching their next console/handheld hybrid in '17.
The WiiU has some decent titles, but by and large the gaming community has not found them enticing enough to get. I can't see it as a compelling single console purchase unless you are already a die hard nintendo fan. In a few years when it is selling for 100 maybe more will dip in, but even the Nintendo is notorious for not lowering the price on its games, so the cost of entry to try the good nintendo titles will always be too high for most consumers.
Nintendo needs to make their next console compelling and powerful enough to offer 3rd party support, as well as offer an online service that is catered exclusively to children (better friends-service, real voice chat). Parental controls and options will give the platform broader appeal.
The fact of the matter is that most Nintendo titles no longer have strong appeal to the vast majority of gamers. Doesn't mean WiiU owners won't enjoy the few offerings and sing their praises, but they need to accept that Nintendo gaming feels stagnant and out of touch to a lot of gamers who are now more grown up. Nintendo is losing bringing in the new generation of children as children now have options other than expensive Nintendo games. Most kids now play minecraft and mobile/tablet games.
The generation who grew up on nintendo titles has largely left the bright, cartoony worlds of Mario and company behind. Nintendo has contracted its efforts to a few major pillars (Mario and Zelda). Just look at how many kids that pick up smash now for the first time have no idea who most of the characters are. Nintendo lets its great IPs of the past rot in a cell darker than Rare during the kinect years. Most gamers are now between 18-34, and want dark, action based games like GTA, CoD, and all the other major blockbusters that sell millions every year.
The fact that you cannot get the major, 3rd party games at all on Nintendo is why the WiiU is gonna be one of the worst selling consoles of all time.
I can see Nintendo launching their next console/handheld hybrid in '17.
Fanbases are all "insane". There is no "fanbase" that isn't. This isn't limited to only one fanbase or another.
Funny that despite the major contraction in the market, the 3DS is currently the best selling platform of the 8th generation. The Wii U is just a shit product from a mass market perspective.
They've made tons of new IPs during the past couple generations. The fact that "most gamers" (you mean core gamers?) are 18-34 year old males are a problem of the traditional market consolidating into an increasingly smaller and more introspective mess, kinda like what comic books went through. It isn't healthy, but that's why the mass market are spending their gaming dollars elsewhere.
Aeqvitas said:
Funny that despite the major contraction in the market, the 3DS is currently the best selling platform of the 8th generation. The Wii U is just a shit product from a mass market perspective.
Aeqvitas said:
They've made tons of new IPs during the past couple generations. The fact that "most gamers" (you mean core gamers?) are 18-34 year old males are a problem of the traditional market consolidating into an increasingly smaller and more introspective mess, kinda like what comic books went through. It isn't healthy, but that's why the mass market are spending their gaming dollars elsewhere.
Psycho_Mantis
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I blame Reggie.
It has an exceptional collection of exclusives that easily outdoes what other platform holders are offering. But those other consoles aren't limited to what one publisher offers; there's a plethora of quality content on the PS4/X1. However, this doesn't dismiss or disaualify Nintendo's own published software as anything but top-tier, most of which absolutely should be experienced.
ForsakenLotus
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SonyToo!;163986469 said:
Maybe I came across too negative. I think the Wii U will be remembered in a similar light as the Dreamcast. They are different consoles and "failed" under different circumstances, but the Dreamcast is remembered extremely fondly by the relatively few who owned one and I think the Wii U will be similar in that regard.
Shpeshal Nick
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Not for me really. ZombiU was the only game to really drag me away from any other console I owned. Every other game is a game I play when I'm burnt out on PS4 or Xbox One
wolfhowwl
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Nintendo games just have that elusive quality known as "soul."
You can feel the personal craftsmanship that went into something like the New Super Mario Bros. series that contrasts with rival products on PlayStation and Xbox. They're dry, brown, and boring, a workmanlike product of assembly line development, utterly lacking in whimsy, color, or fun.
You can feel the personal craftsmanship that went into something like the New Super Mario Bros. series that contrasts with rival products on PlayStation and Xbox. They're dry, brown, and boring, a workmanlike product of assembly line development, utterly lacking in whimsy, color, or fun.
Stevey
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Quoting for truth
tiebreaker
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What horse? I'm just pointing out that the hate isn't towards Wii U, but rather the hyperbolic title. But thanks for the caution.
And how did you get to your last sentence from my post? Did I imply anything like that?
TheBaronOfNA
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Is the job of other companies to make their competitor actually move to modern standards. And not talking about DLC or broken games (thought Nintendo has not come clean in that either) but actual services like Accounts, console infrastructure that help developers or consumer friendly practices that are just not to help PR (region free games)
Guys, is fine to like the WiiU (I have one and is decent console) but labeling as 'savior' of anything is not only delusional but insulting.
CrowDieSlow
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That's.... certainly a way to view things. You're entitled to your opinion and all, but I have to wonder if there isn't even a tiny bit of hyperbole in that statement.
tiebreaker
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I think that is sarcasm....
In the case of some third parties yes. Ubisoft comes to mind.
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