+1. My feelings exactly.
And it's not like they rushed the music remastering process. A lot of talent and effort was invested into it. More than most remasters have ever done for music.
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+1. My feelings exactly.
And it's not like they rushed the music remastering process. A lot of talent and effort was invested into it. More than most remasters have ever done for music.
mullet2000
Member
The thing is a new experience can still be bad.
I have nothing against the idea of redoing music for the game, but if the new music is worse than the original then what's the point? Plus a lot of the new tracks are just...too noisy. There's a lot of noise in them for the sake of having more noise. They feel cluttered. That's just unpleasant to listen to.
I dunno, the new music doesn't sound too bad in most cases. I think this is all about nostalgia or something.
I can tell you if they did an FF7 HD or a remake and even if the music was objectively 'better,' if one note was different from the original in any song I'd hate it ;_;
I can tell you if they did an FF7 HD or a remake and even if the music was objectively 'better,' if one note was different from the original in any song I'd hate it ;_;
kunonabi
Member
I don't care about the effort or it being new and different if I find the end result to be inferior to what was already there. This is a business not a charity. If they want my money then they need to create a product with a value proposition that appeals to me. They didn't so I take my money elsewhere. I am not obligated to buy the remaster just because I enjoyed the original.
But if you want to hold SE's hand or buy them a friendship ring because some people expressed dissapointment with them, you go right ahead.
But most of the remasters have much better samples and deeper arrangements. Some are far more effective, others are a mixed bags I agree.
Choosing the piano collections version of Via Purifico and the Vielen Dank version of Abyss are massive improvements. People of the far north is vastly superior with its live cello/violin performance. Fight with Seymour is much more effective with its better choice of drum and synth samples, etc.
But again, you're certainly entitled to preferring the original, but some of this thread's hyperboles are baffling.
How is giving you the same thing as before a better value proposition...? These new tracks are a value proposition to me, so there's that.
your preferences are subjective, not factual. Using real instruments is fantastic but that doesn't suddenly guarantee a better product. There is and should be room for both .
And yes, Piano and Rearrangement CD's are often beautiful, and some of my favourites because it allows an isolated attempt to hear the music re-done and I more than accept their differences based on what they're designed to be from the get go; and since they're not outright replacing the originals, they're doing nothing wrong either.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
The value proposition of an HD re-release is upgraded visuals. Improving textures, resolution, adding widescreen, etc. -- these are things that serve only to enhance the experience. They're objective improvements. And those are fine. But you take something that the target audience adored about the original and change it dramatically, and you're missing the point of a re-release entirely. It's not the Final Fantasy X I liked anymore.
For people like myself who wanted Final Fantasy X, but better, this release now has zero value to me.
Preach.
It's odd to me the way some people take issue with this when -- and I assume -- they loved the original OST, no?
Challenge reminds me of some of the crappy remixes from Dissidia.Seymour's Battle theme is so good though.
It was incredible in 2001 as well.
I am confused why this isn't out simultaneously worldwide. The voice work and translation has already happened.
Yeah, I don't get that either. Doesn't make much sense.
I suppose if you unfamiliar with PCSX2 I could see where you're coming from. But, for me and many others I'm glad they decided to make some changes that slightly alter the experience in different ways, other than graphics.
Oh fuck, they ruined Decisive Battle too. WHY HAMAUZU WHY. The original is, hands down, one of the best battle themes in any video game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pogFaTTybbg
Not only is the instrumentation different and in the worst way, the composition in certain areas just seems... off. The original was perfect, and still holds up all these years later. No idea why you'd want to tarnish that...
Moving closer towards not buying this. I grow less interested in S-E by the month as is, anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pogFaTTybbg
Not only is the instrumentation different and in the worst way, the composition in certain areas just seems... off. The original was perfect, and still holds up all these years later. No idea why you'd want to tarnish that...
Moving closer towards not buying this. I grow less interested in S-E by the month as is, anyway.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
ugh. Decisive Battle was always one of the coolest FF songs. I hate the word "epic" and how overused it is these days, but that the original is a song to which that word unquestionably applies. Honestly, that remix sounds like something from a fucking Tales game.
Come to think of it, I never actually attempted to play the Piano Collections sheet music for this one...
RpgN
Junior Member
This. Having nostalgic feelings towards a soundtrack is one thing, but saying some of the songs are 'ruined' and they should have been left alone is another.
I for one am GLAD the songs were changed, I want change that is good. I don't understand some of you.
But, there are people who don't even like the new character models or graphics that look too different from the original. It's like, wtf, just play the original, that one will always be there for you.
I don't like when people like yourself scare the devs off and ruin the whole point of remakes or remasters when they're so picky about change. It doesn't matter wether it's good or bad.
Yes, it sounds light and airy. The original had such drive to it, a real sense of urgency and "holy shit crazy battle!" Hence the title DECISIVE BATTLE omfg.
They completely ruined the song. Completely.
Rising_Hei
Member
I like the changes, if i want old FFX musics i'll just play old FFX 
Actually, Last Mission from X-2 was never translated and dubbed. Plus the new audio drama requires English voicework.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I want to discourage developers from doing a bad job, especially on a project that at one point had potential. If anyone from Square, for whatever reason, read my post and felt bad about the work they did, I'd consider that a good thing. Which I realize is vindictive as fuck, but whatever.
I dunno. I feel like there are two options: Either do a re-release that's true to the original, or do a full, RE-style remake. Anything in-between just strikes me as disingenuous and misguided.
BrokenIcarus
Member
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R7NOVt_DJs
I'm not sure how much of this is remade, but to me it's just really beatiful.
I'm not sure how much of this is remade, but to me it's just really beatiful.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I think that's actually the exact same as the original.
BrokenIcarus
Member
Hasn't lost any of it's beauty if true.
I really want to play this game now :/ Why is it taking them 3 months to localize the damn game?
The models themselves aren't bad it's mostly whatever the hell they did to the eyes that looks unatural and sometimes the lips seem to be injected with gobs of botox. I think if they fixed the yes not as many peope would be nearly as upset.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Nah, it's that chimp look around the mouth that both Tidus and Wakka have. That's the worst part. Probably.
at the very least, give players the option to choose between classic and remastered. seems so fucking obvious but oh well square
Well...they did, buuuuuuut...
I don't know I think this were he looks stoned out of his mind or like he's been up 2 days straight without sleep is the main issue. part of it's the expression but a huge bit his how his eyes and the area around his eyes look.
The new one sounds amateur at best, it omits the best parts of the original completely. It's the worst remastered song I've ever heard.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
On a positive note, this is the International version right? What extras did it have over the OG?
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
International added in a new version of the sphere grid that makes the game more difficult (it's optional), and added a series of new, optional bosses. The bosses include the dark versions of the Aeons, and the new super-ultra-mega boss, Penance.
It's great.
Yes, it includes everything.
Eh, whatever you say. I like the new string section, and I never liked the pervasiveness of the "clunk"-like sound of the bassline in the original. I actually think it's not only a great arrangement, but just a marked improvement. It doesn't, in any way, sound "amateur" to me.
badcrumble
Member
I don't know if the Expert Sphere Grid necessarily makes the game harder (though yes, it has a slightly lower cap on total stats for people looking to max out their characters). It just basically turns everyone into Kimahri so you can play the game in a number of more varied ways (although the equipment they get from chests/stores remain the same and their Overdrives remain the same, so it's still wisest to make characters who focus correctly on Strength or Magic as a primary offensive stat - to pick an extreme example, Lulu's already-underpowered Overdrive becomes totally worthless if you don't go down a path that teachers her more Black Magic spells).
The characters who can handle the flexibility better than others as far as Overdrives are concerned are probably Kimahri (who was always built that way), Rikku (whose Overdrives and most of her equipment don't really necessitate a focus on Strength *or* magic), and Yuna (although a lot of the best equipment you find for her over the course of the game focuses on her magic, her Summoning benefits pretty much regardless of which stats you end up boosting; it's great fun to turn her into a Black Mage, at any rate).
Tidus, Wakka, and Auron remain pretty closely tied to Strength in their equipment/overdrives, though, and Lulu is insanely closely tied to Magic. The flexibility with them can be *interesting* to play around with, but not as rewarding because the game's kinda built against it in their case.
edit: man, just listened to the Decisive Battle song. It's weird that a lot of the songs that have been worst-affected (Besaid, Wandering Flame, Decisive Battle) were some of my favorite ones in the whole game, argh.
badcrumble
Member
The new one is a nicer song to listen to free of context but completely fails at evoking the island ambiance that the original does.
I already heard FFX-2.5 spoiler. hehe.
For me, there is no reason to play FFX HD. (Actually, I didn't play FFX hough.)
However, I heard lots of FFX HD impressions. Sure thing is, in terms of Vita version, there is specific area that it takes long-loading time. Except those, loading time is better than original one. And dat sound quality.... oh... Vita version's sound quality is really messy thing. Many Player says Vita version's sound quality is worse than PS3 version. If you want to hear more good quality sound, go to PS3 Version.
For me, there is no reason to play FFX HD. (Actually, I didn't play FFX hough.)
However, I heard lots of FFX HD impressions. Sure thing is, in terms of Vita version, there is specific area that it takes long-loading time. Except those, loading time is better than original one. And dat sound quality.... oh... Vita version's sound quality is really messy thing. Many Player says Vita version's sound quality is worse than PS3 version. If you want to hear more good quality sound, go to PS3 Version.
I don't understand how you think it's an improvement to cut out the best of the song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxJE6SSX-aw&t=1m45s
That string part is so beautiful, especially with nice speakers. The new "remastered" version is an abomination compared to this masterpiece.
It's a beautiful part (my favourite of the original OST probably), and I'm a bit surprised they changed it. But the equivalent part of the rearrangement (2min mark) is equally beautiful.
stargateheaven
Member
didnt think everyone would hate the new soundtrack as much as this.. to me, its not as good, but its still good!!
i guess it's giving square a new opportunity for original soundtrack DLC and japanese voice DLC.
i guess it's giving square a new opportunity for original soundtrack DLC and japanese voice DLC.
If this was the first time any of us had heard the songs we probably would not mind and think (me at least), yeah this is pretty good.
But we know what they used to sound like, we loved them, and they made it (in general terms) worse.
WHY
WHY
WHY
WHY
As much as I loathe DLC, it would be wise for them to consider it. The remastered OST turned out to be that bad.
The Last One
Member
I don't see a problem with the soundtrack either. Some are treating the new songs as pure trash, this is very unfair IMO.
tiggerkiddo
Member
Guys guys GUYS...music is one of the most subjective things around, no one is right or wrong...for the love of all that is holy. Some of us care for the original more and others like the new one. I don't HATE the new soundtrack, there are some tracks that are okay and some that are...meh.
boredandlazy
Member
Why are you OK with them 'upgrading' the visuals, but not OK with 'upgrading' the soundtrack? It's much of a muchness really. Aren't they both 'changing' the original vision? Some of the visual changes are not an objective improvement.
Sure, whether the result of the upgrade is beneficial is subjective, but you can't complain about one and not the other.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Maybe to you. Sounds super relaxing and peaceful to me. Totally fits with the images I remember of Besaid. I'm digging both versions a lot. I know you're not necessarily saying this, but posters implying the new version is objectively "awful" just isn't right.
How is that unfair? The game and its soundtrack have been a part of my life ever since I played it in 2001 and SquareEnix just ups and fucks it up.
NONE of the songs needed to be re-worked, especially Besaid Island. All they had to do was put a higher quality version on the disc, no one asked for re-worked music that's not in the original composers artistic vision and the music the fans had come to love.
If only they had left Besaid Island alone...
It sounds like a song from "Chrono Cross" now, not the original, beautiful track that it was..
One is making it playable on HDTVs with better resolution and textures. Aside from destroying Yuna and Tidus's faces, the changes aren't that dramatic.
And wow, they replaced At the end of the abyss" with the Vielen Dank version.
A) LOL that they're that lazy and B) UGH, NO
(Let it be known that I like the Vielen Dank version but the original is perfect as is)