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brain_stew said:
Right counts for naught..that must be why Shadow of the Colossus beat out God of War and RE4 at the 2006 GDC awards for visuals.
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Have we hit the graphics ceiling this gen?
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Right counts for naught..that must be why Shadow of the Colossus beat out God of War and RE4 at the 2006 GDC awards for visuals.
brain_stew
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nib95 said:
I know I was, its what I was always referring to, you can add it to dozens of PC games through Nvidia's drivers these days and often it can have a dramatic effect on the visual impact of a scene.
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RSB said:Fix'd
Yeah Halo 3's also..haha but you know what I meant.
CODs multi component is so good right now.
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there's no accounting for tasteabacab driver said:
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I'm guessing a large part of the leeway given was made for the amazing art and visual direction. It merged amazing art and technical wizardry, so I'm assuming many judges just let the frame rate issues off the hook somewhat. But I personally think frame rate issues (severe or erratic one's) should not be left off the hook.
CrunchinJelly
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I would have loved to have seen a Kameo 2, just to see how far Rare could have pushed a game like that.
Kameo is 4 years old and still looks absolutely stunning.
Kameo is 4 years old and still looks absolutely stunning.
Son of Godzilla
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CoD6 is ugly as fuck, and I can't make myself care. I think I'm done being a graphics whore.
Yes, fuck it. Nothing has amazed me this gen since Kameo.cjelly said:I would have loved to have seen a Kameo 2, just to see how far Rare could have pushed a game like that.
Kameo is 4 years old and still looks absolutely stunning.
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cjelly said:I would have loved to have seen a Kameo 2, just to see how far Rare could have pushed a game like that.
Kameo is 4 years old and still looks absolutely stunning.
It was pretty incredible the upgrade they were able to apply to what was essentially an Xbox game considering they only had the final 360 hardware for a few short months.
TAJ
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Every game that drops frames is "pushing the system to its limit". It's a matter of using resources efficiently, not just stressing the hardware.Noshino said:
On the subject of Alan Wake and framerate, though... It used to tear like crazy, but now it's more like one or two frames every five minutes.
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TAJ said:
I'll wait till DF get their hands on it, thanks. The framerate/tearing in that E3 was so horrific, I'll approach any opinion to the contrary with extreme caution.
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bobbytkc said:
If it tears every time they turn the camera then it will be tearing 40-50% of its output and constantly dropping frames, you're just not noticing the tears. I know with the game infront of me on my screen, I absolutely will.
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that's okay, I'll just buy the PC version, it is a Remedy game after all.
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DarknessTear
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As you play games each generation, you see room for improvement. Don't worry, there's plenty more to do.
MidgarBlowedUp
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As impressive as Uncharted 2 is, if we don't get more games of that caliber this gen officially sucked.
I hear GT5 looks pretty decent.
I hear GT5 looks pretty decent.
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Son of Godzilla said:
Like most Rare games (and your avatar), Kameo had some awful art direction. It sure was shiny though.
PumpkinPie
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I hope by next gen they have gotten rid of jaggies and screen tearing, both of those are a higher priority than graphics are to me.
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TAJ said:
Was about to respond to his 'point' but you just posted pretty much what I was about to in lesser words.
SOTC's tech wasn't "too much for the ps2" it was just new and unoptimized tech, period..so it shipped with the chugs.
Noshino said:
I just have to point out, that I got a nice laugh at your logic:
SOTC shipping with bad framerate = Team Icos fault cause the "tech was too good."
Alan Wake demo with frame dips = 360's fault for not being able to run it perfectly.
Your intention is clear as day.. :lol
Noshino said:
This is coming from a person who I just saw in the Alan Wake thread posting something to the tune of: "360 owners finally have something to showcase, but only for GOW3 to replace"
Really..?
Metalic Sand
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I think Alan wake is raising the ceiling some. Not by much though.
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Add to that jagged shadows, dithering, and AF 4x at least.PumpkinPie said:
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Uncharted 2 really blew my mind visually. I don't think that games have to look any better in regards of photo-realism, though - we have certainly reached great heights when it comes to a sense of 'realism'.
nelsonroyale
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No... Also as good as Alan Wake looks, saying it looks better than Uncharted 2 does fly with me...there are some interestingly lit night stages in U2, such as in Borneo which look incredible... it will be interesting to see the day stuff in Alan Wake though, because from previous screens and footage I thought it looked quite a bit more impressive at night, mainly because of lighting and weakness hiding
Personally, The Last Guardian and FFXIII are looking pretty immense. Rage I don't find as impressive as many here.... Crysis is already more impressive technically in the open world FPS
Personally, The Last Guardian and FFXIII are looking pretty immense. Rage I don't find as impressive as many here.... Crysis is already more impressive technically in the open world FPS
xenorevlis
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I think the only real "ceiling" in this gen is storage capacity. A game like Uncharted, God of War, Alan Wake, and Gears series only look as good as they do based on what is able to be loaded while you're playing. This also results in how long a game ends up being.
Hell, the God of War 3 demo is 2.6 GB because of the amount of 3D assets, animations, sound effects, and AI scripts. This is what helps to push out better graphics - having them in the first place. For instance, if GTAIV had twice the disc space, it could have higher quality assets to load when you get right up in personal with an object. Hell, it could even have a duplicate of the city, but post-nuke or covered in snow.
Of course, it takes time to learn how to develop such LOD systems. As long as developers can get their head around these engines and pumping out several models for the LOD, we'll continue to see better character models, better environments, more effects, and whatever else they figure out to do in front of the screen.
Hell, the God of War 3 demo is 2.6 GB because of the amount of 3D assets, animations, sound effects, and AI scripts. This is what helps to push out better graphics - having them in the first place. For instance, if GTAIV had twice the disc space, it could have higher quality assets to load when you get right up in personal with an object. Hell, it could even have a duplicate of the city, but post-nuke or covered in snow.
Of course, it takes time to learn how to develop such LOD systems. As long as developers can get their head around these engines and pumping out several models for the LOD, we'll continue to see better character models, better environments, more effects, and whatever else they figure out to do in front of the screen.
I love Uncharted 2. I've been hooked to the multiplayer since the beta. I played through the single player mode in two days and got a platinum in less than a week. I've been playing multiplayer every day till last week (my backlog was beginning to scare me).
But I still can't stand all the splooging and glushing around its wowfuckawesome ultimate and unbeatable graphicssss!!!!!1!!!
Give me a break.
But I still can't stand all the splooging and glushing around its wowfuckawesome ultimate and unbeatable graphicssss!!!!!1!!!
Give me a break.
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I expect God of War 3 and Killzone 3 to rock my world.
Can't wait for RAGE and Crysis 2 as well.
iD & CryTek <3
Can't wait for RAGE and Crysis 2 as well.
iD & CryTek <3
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Zophar said:
Oh god, I just realized you were one of the guys trolling the leaked Halo Reach cellphone shots as well as Forza 3 in the NPD thread.
Forget I ever responded to you. :lol
Nope. And that's because there's no limit to artistic vision.
Maybe someday people will get that.
In the genre of "third person shooting in realistic world with indiana jones elements" the ceiling is probably reached. But that's it.
EDIT: Why did I click this thread... reading all the comments is just... well gamers might just be the most retarded group of people in the history of man.
Maybe someday people will get that.
In the genre of "third person shooting in realistic world with indiana jones elements" the ceiling is probably reached. But that's it.
EDIT: Why did I click this thread... reading all the comments is just... well gamers might just be the most retarded group of people in the history of man.
Subliminal
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I want us to hit the ceiling; we'll have 1-2 years of fantastic looking games (See last few years of PS2)
But no.
The ceiling as a few years off.
But no.
The ceiling as a few years off.
I was very disappointed with the PC graphics of Far Cry 2, but how is PC gaming relevant to this thread?
Obviously PC graphics hardware continually improves while the consoles are static.
And yes the consoles have hit the ceiling for this gen. I want a new console generation sooner rather than later. This gen is done.
Obviously PC graphics hardware continually improves while the consoles are static.
And yes the consoles have hit the ceiling for this gen. I want a new console generation sooner rather than later. This gen is done.
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-police-alan-wake/58984?type=flv
Looks far better than anything I have seen this gen.
The lighting when the Police Officers pass overhead was just breathtaking.
Looks far better than anything I have seen this gen.
The lighting when the Police Officers pass overhead was just breathtaking.
Screw God of War, Metal Gear, SotC and whatever game you might be thinking of. The graphics ceiling on the PS2 was reached by Silent Hill 3. We keep quoting that Douglas Cartland gif to this day for a reason.
Looks so good that the cover is a freakin' screenshot of the game.Yama said:Resolution not necessary.
Actually I don't know, but if you did believe it at least for a second then you're proving me right anyway.
This man speaks the truth.zoukka said:
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zoukka said:
You just got this after being on GAF for so long? :lol
While I was disappointed with the graphics of Far Cry 2 myself, I think you screenshots are pretty good.Q8D3vil said:ooh sry i wasnt aware of that
i guess i wanted to show how much the game is beautiful ;(
i think the graphics were good but was kinda pale and need more colors
You should post them in this thread:
The awesome super high resolution PC screenshot thread
Assuming everything goes to plan for them, no we haven't hit the graphics ceiling so far, not even close.
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