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HBO developing new Western series (Not Deadwood).

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C'mon please have a Seth Bullock and Mr. Wu cameo.
C'mon please have a Seth Bullock and Mr. Wu cameo.
C'mon please have a Seth Bullock and Mr. Wu cameo.

I just want to hear that glorious man say the only english word he knows: Cocksucker.

Also, the word cocksucker needs to be said every 3rd sentence.
 
RatskyWatsky said:
Do either of these things really count as "burning bridges with the creative talent?" If anything, allowing things like the bullshit ending to The Killing is a huge vote of confidence in favor of the creative talent.
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No, I was more regressing into my personal dislike for the direction of AMC at the end of that rant.
 
Wray said:
The Luck trailers make the series look pretty interesting. I think it's going to more or less be a mob/crime series with Horsing Racing as a backdrop. Or maybe Deadwood at the racetrack instead of the old west is a better way to put it.
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The trailers just seemed a bit melodramatic for my tastes. Just doesn't seem like a backdrop that will provide enough dramatic storylines for even a season, much less multiple seasons. In that case, it'll just become too over the top at the cost of the needed realism.
 
Zefah said:
Elaborate? I hadn't heard about this.
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The creator of Mad Men wont even talk to the head of AMC. Darabont left The Walking Dead after AMC gutted their budget and pissed him off. I had only begun to get into Breaking Bad but apparently AMC has decided to basically call it quits for that show.

It's long been reported that the president basically has an attitude that he can do their jobs just as well as they can, so fuck em all. Which has led to animosity between the creative teams and the top brass.

At this rate I wouldnt be surprised if AMC is back to playing classic movies after Mad Men runs its course and they piss away and neuter all the talent on their other shows in search of more and more profit.
 
Being a western is not what made Deadwood so fucking special, it's the incredible talent behind so many facets of the project that resulted in something that's easily one of the best shows ever to run. If anything, people with should be more interested in Milch's new show.
 
Jonm1010 said:
The creator of Mad Men wont even talk to the head of AMC. Darabont left The Walking Dead after AMC gutted their budget and pissed him off. I had only begun to get into Breaking Bad but apparently AMC has decided to basically call it quits for that show.

It's long been reported that the president basically has an attitude that he can do their jobs just as well as they can, so fuck em all. Which has led to animosity between the creative teams and the top brass.

At this rate I wouldnt be surprised if AMC is back to playing classic movies after Mad Men runs its course and they piss away and neuter all the talent on their other shows in search of more and more profit.
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The Walking Dead is the highest rated scripted show on cable television. Why would this happen.

They can regroup - they still have a brand that is attractive to creative. I don't doubt that with a kick in the pants, they can at least rework where they're heading.

First and foremost, they need to really look at who they're taking pitches with. Veena Sud is the perfect example - why support Sud when she doesn't really have a vision for the show outside of the pilot? Why get yourself in that bed?
 
Something Wicked said:
The trailers just seemed a bit melodramatic for my tastes. Just doesn't seem like a backdrop that will provide enough dramatic storylines for even a season, much less multiple seasons. In that case, it'll just become too over the top at the cost of the needed realism.
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Horse racing has always been a pretty seedy environment, particularly in the 70's. I think they'll make it work.
 
RatskyWatsky said:
Do either of these things really count as "burning bridges with the creative talent?" If anything, allowing things like the bullshit ending to The Killing is a huge vote of confidence in favor of the creative talent.
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What would you call it?

If im a creator with a great idea for a show and a proven track record. Your Milch's, your Vince Gilligan's, your Weiner's, or your a movie talent looking to get into the medium like Scorcesse or Darabont - 2 years ago the short list would be HBO followed closely by AMC. fast forward to today and I would say HBO has regained the crown, while AMC has fallen pretty far back.

Today I would say if your a top level talent making a mature drama your heading over to HBO first and then maybe Showtime and Starz and maybe the basic networks just to see if they'll bite. Then on over to FX. If all of them pass you by you probably head over to AMC. If you send out your idea in mass ad get a callback from every one of them you probably agree to go with all those other guys before AMC. At least from what I've read I certainly would.

Who wants to be a part of a network with incompetent management and management that will neuter your budget no matter how successful(The Walking Dead) and genuinely treat you like shit every step of the way?
 
ivysaur12 said:
No, I was more regressing into my personal dislike for the direction of AMC at the end of that rant.
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I see. ;p

Jonm1010 said:
I had only begun to get into Breaking Bad but apparently AMC has decided to basically call it quits for that show.
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Did they though? I thought the creator wanted the show to end, and after some negotiations, basically got what he wanted?

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Creator Vince Gilligan had made it clear that he wants to end the series after Season 5.
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Discussions grew heated when AMC tried to convince the makers of of the show that its fifth season run only six to eight episodes instead of the typical 13. That was rejected by the creative forces behind the show, which led them to approach other outlets.
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AMC tried to cheap out, but Vince Gilligan got his way in the end. Just like Matthew Weiner. (minus all the money) Still, I don't think Vince will be so eager to jump into bed with AMC again.
 
a) I love modern westerns

b) I love HBO

c) Deadwood was my favorite show of all time

Therefore I'm guaranteed to love this show.
 
Jonm1010 said:
What would you call it?
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For the two examples that I bolded, I would say that AMC has been extremely supportive of The Killing. Hell on Wheels is a bit of a different beast, as it wasn't the show the two showrunners wanted to make at first, (they wanted to do something totally different and AMC told them to do a western instead) but once the ball got rolling, as far as I know, they've been supportive of them as well.
 
Stumpokapow said:
The germination of Once Upon a Time was (sort of) a Fables adaptation that fell through. No one has really revealed all the details about everything, except that the showrunners were kicking around the idea, then ABC picked up Fables, then ABC dropped Fables, then ABC picked up OUaT.
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That explains so much.
 
ivysaur12 said:
The Walking Dead is the highest rated scripted show on cable television. Why would this happen.

They can regroup - they still have a brand that is attractive to creative. I don't doubt that with a kick in the pants, they can at least rework where they're heading.

First and foremost, they need to really look at who they're taking pitches with. Veena Sud is the perfect example - why support Sud when she doesn't really have a vision for the show outside of the pilot? Why get yourself in that bed?
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I think your attesting to my point(I mean of course I was slightly exaggerating with the bolded).

AMC's highest rated show had its budget cut and fired the creator half way through its second season.

When its coming to new shows they are handing the keys and budgets over to people who dont have a clear vision. While as shown in the piece about the Walking Dead, micromanaging the creative process in order to constrain the budget. And by all accounts they are still full of hubris and arent actively changing their methods.

I feel AMC is going the route of HBO a few years back where management was so concerned with the profit margins that they sacrificed quality and creativity for profit. They canceled some of their most well reviewed shows and put into place a bunch of budget conscience half-brained ideas that flamed out quickly. Thing is HBO learned from it quickly and green lit a lot of the programs we have now. I dont see AMC doing the same right now.
 
Another thing that makes me a bit leery of this show: love triangles. Never really cared for that type of melodrama, even if it is set against an interesting backdrop.
 
I saw Deadwood a few years back, and the 2nd season bored me to tears and I dropped it halfway through. Season one was excellent, but I remember nothing really happening in season 2, and everyone spoke like it was a Shakespeare play so I dropped it. After getting into shows like The Wire and Mad Men though, maybe I'll appreciate season 2 more, I don't know. I'll check it out soon I guess.
 
Jonm1010 said:
I think your attesting to my point(I mean of course I was slightly exaggerating with the bolded).

AMC's highest rated show had its budget cut and fired the creator half way through its second season.

When its coming to new shows they are handing the keys and budgets over to people who dont have a clear vision. While as shown in the piece about the Walking Dead, micromanaging the creative process in order to constrain the budget. And by all accounts they are still full of hubris and arent actively changing their methods.

I feel AMC is going the route of HBO a few years back where management was so concerned with the profit margins that they sacrificed quality and creativity for profit. They canceled some of their most well reviewed shows and put into place a bunch of budget conscience half-brained ideas that flamed out quickly. Thing is HBO learned from it quickly and green lit a lot of the programs we have now. I dont see AMC doing the same right now.
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We'll have to access AMC's upcoming development slate - they know they have issues, even if they might believe they're only PR issues.
 
JoJoShabadoo said:
I saw Deadwood a few years back, and the 2nd season bored me to tears and I dropped it halfway through. Season one was excellent, but I remember nothing really happening in season 2, and everyone spoke like it was a Shakespeare play so I dropped it. After getting into shows like The Wire and Mad Men though, maybe I'll appreciate season 2 more, I don't know. I'll check it out soon I guess.
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Argh, I think I may hate you. The dialogue in Deadwood is incredible.
 
avclub said:
Many have pointed to television’s growing fascination with the Western...
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Mmm... Where are the westerns that they are talking about? apart from maybe Justified, and that's just because it's got Seth Bullock.
 
Timbuktu said:
Mmm... Where are the westerns that they are talking about? apart from maybe Justified, and that's just because it's got Seth Bullock.
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Justified, Hell on Wheels...

Who cares? The Western needs to return, let them think it's more popular than it is so we get more.
 
BamYouHaveAids said:
No, the dialogue definitely took a Shakespearean twist the third season. it was mildly off putting especially when contrasted with the first season. Still a great show.
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It always was Shakespearean - it just got a bit heavier each season. There was no twist or sudden change.
 
HBO? Western? Yes please.

Hari Seldon said:
Quality of programming. The only thing I want to sub to HBO for anymore is game of thrones, but Showtime has something year round that I like.

Homeland
Borgias
Californiacation

are all >>>>>>>> anything on HBO except Game of Thrones
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Ehhh. I'll give you Homeland, but HBO is still so far ahead of pretty much anything else out there right now. And Game of Thrones isn't even the best show on the channel (though I liked the first season a lot).
 
Net_Wrecker said:
All that needs to be said, really.

And shame on anyone in the HBO vs. Showtime debate that doesn't mention Treme. SHAME.
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Treme hardly gets mentioned because it's more about culture, music, human relations and their experiences than what we usually get on premium TV. Sadly.

Great show.
 
surrealist said:
High hopes that HBO pulls off another high quality westerner. Still bitter we never got an ending.
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If you really want to know what would have happened in Deadwood then you can pick up a history book. Granted, the writers took liberties with history, but the characters were still based off of history. Carnivale's ending gave us nothing because it was purely fictional. That one hurt the most.
 
ThisWreckage said:
If you really want to know what would have happened in Deadwood then you can pick up a history book. Granted, the writers took liberties with history, but the characters were still based off of history. Carnivale's ending gave us nothing because it was purely fictional. That one hurt the most.
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Already have, and still bitter.
 
gketter said:
Sounds too risky for CBS. Now a procedural western…
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Yep, I was right. They are developing a western. A remake of an old TV show called The Rifleman.

The link also says that Fox, NBC, and TNT have one western each in development, while ABC has two.

Fox has a Wyatt Earp Western penned by John Hlavin, NBC has an untitled Kerry Ehrin project set in the 1880s, ABC has Ron Moore’s Hangtown, set in the early 1900 and David Zabel’s Gunslinger. Additionally, TNT recently gave a pilot order to Bruce C. McKenna and Danny Cannon’s Gateway, set in the 1880s.
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Semi not-related:

Is the Dark Tower series a straight up western? I started reading a few chapters of The Gunslinger and I pictured a post apocalyptic world.. Sort of like Fallout or Mad Max, but more Western-themed than sort of the modern world post apocalypse..
 
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