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[Panajev2001a]

It is coming out in Italy in January and I was thinking about setting some money aside for this puppy so that when PLAYSTATION 3 arrives I have a good TV set to enjoy HD gaming.

what do you think (the specs are not horrible, but the price ~559 Euros is what I'd be willing to pay).

http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/414272/art/samsung/lcd-television-16-9-23-58.html

Screen  	 Format  	16/9
Screen size 	23" (58cm)
Luminosity (in cd/m²) 	450
Contrast 	2000:1
Response time (in ms) 	8
Resolution (horizontal x vertical - in pixels) 	1366 x 768
Angle of vision (horizontal/vertical - in°) 	170/170
Audio 	Audio Power 	2 x 5 W
Noise reduction 	-
Mono/Stereo Sound 	NICAM/A2
SRS TruSurround XT
Speakers 	2
Connectivity 	Connectivity 	1 HDMI input
1 video component input
1 S-Video input
1 PC input
1 headphone outlet
SCART connectors 	2
DVI Input 	No
HDMI Input 	1
PC Input 	Yes
Audio outlet 	Headphone outlet
Tuner 	Standard 	Pal B/G, D/K, I, I/I'; Secam B/G, D/K, L/L'
Double Tuner 	No
Functions 	TV text 	1000 pages
Other functions 	DNIe
Game Mode
OSD languages: English, French, German, Dutch, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Hungarian, Polish, Greek, Bulgarian, Croatian, Turkish, Russian, Czech, Romanian, Yugoslavian, Swedish, Norwegian, Danish, Finnish
General 	Remote control 	Yes
Accessories supplied 	Remote control
Rotating and reclining support
Manual 	Information available soon
Dimensions (mm) 	476 x 675 x 75
Weight (kg) 	7.6

 

[disappeared]

Speaking from experience with their monitors and TVs, Samsung is a great brand. I've never had a problem with their stuff, so I think it'd be a safe bet.

I know that sounded like a paid testimonial, but it's not.

Spoiler

(takes money hat)

 

[Creamium]

I'm thinking about buying a Sammy myself, but I wonder: is there any difference as to how PS2 games look between models (when using component of course)? I still want to play a lot of previous gen stuff on it, and I want to know if these tv's are a safe bet for that. PS2 looks good on my 940MW when using component, but I don't know about the bigger models.

 

[stotch]

the contrast ratio is lower than on the ln samsungs 2000:1 vs 3000:1. but it's still better
than the 800:1 or 1000:1 contrast ratio on most other small lcds.

 

[Falch]

I have that HDTV. Got it a few weeks back, and I love it. Got it hooked up on my Wii (still on composite though, component still isn't available...) and it looks very nice. Also connected it to my laptop, to watch HD trailers, and it looks absolutely stunning. I'm currently considering getting a DVD player that upscales, because I'm using my PS2 at the moment for DVD's. Perhaps I'll just wait for the PS3, and hope that it can upscale DVDss at the time it's released in Europe.

Bought it for 550 Euro (from an initial price of 700 Euro).

 

[drohne]

i'm not familiar with that model number -- it looks like the american 2351d -- but you should find out whether dnie can be disabled on that set. if dnie can't be disabled, i'd recommend sony's kdl23s2010 (american model number), which is the same panel, but gives you the option to turn off all the zonked-out processing features.

edit: dnie in action: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1153389,00.asp

 

[Newduck]

I have the earlier model (last years 360 display one). Its a good TV, and although i havent compared it too much i think its a pretty good TV. Very nice for 360.

I don't really rate it for non HD stuff but that seems to be the case of all LCDs. The wii looked awful to me through composite, and not that amazing through component either. Most PS2 games look horrid, much worse then my CRT of a similar size.

I have generally heard very good things about the set though in comparison to other sets, but was pretty dissapointing using it with SD content.

Upscaled DVDs through 360 look very nice on it, but PS2 stuff not so much. Big difference in DVD quality between the two on this set i think.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I hope DNIe can be turned off in the Service Menu... even though for DVD movies and High Definition material it seems to be actually useful according to that Extremetech review.

So, for PAL/NTSC plain material DNIe off, but for DVD's/Blu-Ray movies/480p-720p content DNIe on.

 

[drohne]

i would suggest dnie off for everything if you want an accurate picture, but it comes down to your preferences. afaik you can't turn dnie off on samsung's smaller lcds -- that's what kept me from buying their 32".

 

[big_z]

I'm holding out for the 120hz models since it's supposed to make a huge difference for motion blur. Should hear about the new models in early january.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I'm holding out for the 120hz models since it's supposed to make a huge difference for motion blur. Should hear about the new models in early january.

I doubt they will be in my price range :lol.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Speaking from experience with their monitors and TVs, Samsung is a great brand. I've never had a problem with their stuff, so I think it'd be a safe bet.

I know that sounded like a paid testimonial, but it's not.

Spoiler

(takes money hat)

I know what you mean, I had a Samsung 2797HF CRT HDTV that really served me well .

 

[Chaotoroboto]

I can't help but thinking you could get a bigger screen with the same connections for the same money from a brand that isn't Sony or Samsung. I dunno about exchange rates and tariffs and all, but there's plenty of brands like Olevia and Westinghouse where you can pick up a 32" that looks damned good and has all the inputs for $600-$700 on this side of the pond, which would be, what (and I honestly don't know), two thirds what you're talking about for a 23"? For reference, the competing Samsung and Sony displays float between $1000 and $1500.

I mean, Sony and Samsung don't actually manufacture their own panels, and I'm pretty sure Olevia is the OEM for one of the two (can't prove it, the picture just looked the same between all three on the shelf at CC last time I was there). Samsung and Sony do use fancier software and controller hardware, but how much fancier?

 

[Panajev2001a]

I mean, Sony and Samsung don't actually manufacture their own panels, and I'm pretty sure Olevia is the OEM for one of the two (can't prove it, the picture just looked the same between all three on the shelf at CC last time I was there). Samsung and Sony do use fancier software and controller hardware, but how much fancier?

Samsung DOES manufacture its own panels and Sony has gotten into a joint-venture to manufacture LCD panels together over a year ago.

 

[Rhindle]

I have a somewhat older model of the same panel. The 720p Samsungs are good all-round performers, IMO.

It doubles very nicely as a computer monitor if you're so inclined, because (unlike the Sony LCDs) it handles VGA input well.

 

[Goldrusher]

I plan on getting the LE27S71B.
€630,00 here in Belgium...should drop a bit early January (sales).

But why is R-series nearly 30% more expensive than the S-series ? Am I missing something ?

.

 

[BSS]

...I don't really rate it for non HD stuff but that seems to be the case of all LCDs. The wii looked awful to me through composite, and not that amazing through component either. Most PS2 games look horrid, much worse then my CRT of a similar size.

I have generally heard very good things about the set though in comparison to other sets, but was pretty dissapointing using it with SD content...

After fooling around with my one, I consider progressive scan to be essential. My PS2 looks like arse over composite, and not much better with component unless progressive scan was on. Only then was it acceptable.

 

[RaijinFY]

I plan on getting the LE27S71B.
€630,00 here in Belgium...should drop a bit early January (sales).

But why is R-series nearly 30% more expensive than the S-series ? Am I missing something ?

.

I'm seriously considering getting that one. Looks ace.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I have a somewhat older model of the same panel. The 720p Samsungs are good all-round performers, IMO.

It doubles very nicely as a computer monitor if you're so inclined, because (unlike the Sony LCDs) it handles VGA input well.

That's very nice to hear. It makes me thinking about getting a VGA cable for my Dreamcast too .

 

[Panajev2001a]

I have the earlier model (last years 360 display one). Its a good TV, and although i havent compared it too much i think its a pretty good TV. Very nice for 360.

I don't really rate it for non HD stuff but that seems to be the case of all LCDs. The wii looked awful to me through composite, and not that amazing through component either. Most PS2 games look horrid, much worse then my CRT of a similar size.

I have generally heard very good things about the set though in comparison to other sets, but was pretty dissapointing using it with SD content.

Upscaled DVDs through 360 look very nice on it, but PS2 stuff not so much. Big difference in DVD quality between the two on this set i think.

That is what worries me a bit about getting an HDTV, especially LCD... some games on a non-interlaced display will always look like crap (ICO looks much better on a 480i set than on any HDTV, even CRT based ones). My brother's 21'' CRT (aiwa) could do the job, but I do not know where else to put it in my room if a new TV took its place in the "entertainment center" spot. Likewise I would not know where to put a new LCD panel in the room, especially because I would want to have the DVD-Recorder, the Xbox 360 and the PLAYSTATION 3 hooked-up to it.

...

 

[TTP]

If I hadn't buy a 40'' Samsung LCD a year ago, I'd wait for a 1080p, HDMI 1.3 display (which that model is not).

You dont have a PS3 yet right? So my suggestion it to wait and check the prices of 1080p/HDMI 1.3 HDTVs around March. Post-Christmas discounts for the win

 

[Goldrusher]

If I hadn't buy a 40'' Samsung LCD a year ago, I'd wait for a 1080p, HDMI 1.3 display (which that model is not).

Like how they told me to wait until 2006 for SED. :lol

Jesus...if someone is looking for a cheap, yet decent car, you'll say "Just save up and get a BMW 7 ?"

 

[Panajev2001a]

I plan on getting the LE27S71B.
€630,00 here in Belgium...should drop a bit early January (sales).
.

I will see what its new price is after January, but there are reasons why a 23'' might be good enough for my room and for my gaming habits (I am comparing both Samsung models we are tlking about here):

1.) For 480i/p content (Wii and PlayStation 2): both 27'' and 23'' have the same fixed resolution (1366x768), but the 27'' has almost 1.38x bigger pixels.

2.) I do not have tons of space so I sit fairly close to where the TV is, say about 6-6.2 feet at most.

The disadvantages ?

1.) the 27'' model has 500 cd/m^2 of brightness compared to 450 cd/m^2 of the 23'' model, so about 11% more brightness for the 27'' model.

2.) the 27'' has a 3000:1 contrast ratio compared to a 2000:1 contrast ratio of the 23'' model, so about a 50% increase in contrast ratio for only a 27.9% increase in price.

Bang for your buck wise, the 27'' model is definitely more appealing... I'll see what is available in stores (online and offline) in the upcoming months, but I do like the low price of the 23'' model.

 

[Panajev2001a]

If I hadn't buy a 40'' Samsung LCD a year ago, I'd wait for a 1080p, HDMI 1.3 display (which that model is not).

You dont have a PS3 yet right? So my suggestion it to wait and check the prices of 1080p/HDMI 1.3 HDTVs around March. Post-Christmas discounts for the win

No, I am still waiting for my fully paid PAL PLAYSTATION 3 to arrive .

I do not think that even around March 2007 that 1080p capable, HDMI 1.3 compatible HDTV's will be under the 600 Euros barrier.

 

[turkification]

I'm planning on buying this tv also. It's 850 euro's here in Netherlands (we got high taxes here) We got the 40inch version in the living room. Looks good, and nice for xbox360 with the gamemode.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I'm planning on buying this tv also. It's 850 euro's here in Netherlands (we got high taxes here) We got the 40inch version in the living room. Looks good, and nice for xbox360 with the gamemode.

23'' and 850 Euros ?!?

 

[Falch]

I got it for 550 Euro, and I'm also from The Netherlands. And the 26" model is only slightly more expensive (didn't get it because it would be to big for my liking).

 

[turkification]

I got it for 550 Euro, and I'm also from The Netherlands. And the 26" model is only slightly more expensive (didn't get it because it would be to big for my liking).

I mean the LE32R71 is like 850 euro's. (32 inch)

 

[Goldrusher]

I will see what its new price is after January, but there are reasons why a 23'' might be good enough for my room and for my gaming habits (I am comparing both Samsung models we are tlking about here):

Here in Belgium, same shop, the prices are:

LE27S71B: 630,00
LE23R71: 699,00

So I doubt the 27S is more expensive than the 23R in Italy.

 

[Chrono]

2.) I do not have tons of space so I sit fairly close to where the TV is, say about 6-6.2 feet at most.

That's pretty far for a 23" or even 26" set. Those are more like big computer monitors really.

Here's a viewing distance calculator: http://www.myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html

 

[Goldrusher]

That's a movie theatre calculator.

But I'll gladly buy a 42" (like the calculator recommends) instead of my planned purchase of a 27". Just one thing: will you pay for it ? :lol

 

[Joates]

That's a movie theatre calculator.

But I'll gladly buy a 42" (like the calculator recommends) instead of my planned purchase of a 27". Just one thing: will you pay for it ? :lol

Or you know, you could sit a little closer *gasp*

 

[bee]

dont believe samsungs dynamic contrast ratios of 3000:1 etc there bullshit, having said that they're still great tvs, ive had one for 2 years and recommend them.

the best uk deal for them imo is this 27 inch samsung

 

[Panajev2001a]

Here in Belgium, same shop, the prices are:

LE27S71B: 630,00
LE23R71: 699,00

So I doubt the 27S is more expensive than the 23R in Italy.

True, prices are similar here... except that online I can get the 23R for 559 Euros (Pixmania).

Also, in the Italian stores I looked around now the 23'' is about 699 Euros and the 27'' is about 749 Euros.

Eight now I am watching movies and gaming on a 21'', 480i, 4:3 CRT (aiwa)... I just need to think about how much smaller would an not stretched 4:3 picture be on a 23'' 16:9 display and think about how much I would be missing over the current solution.

I do not think a 26'' or a 27'' would be awful for the room, but I am trying to get a solution that is below 600 Euros and I rather avoid a sub-600 Euros 32'' HDTV with 12-16 ms response time and a 400:1 contrast ratio.

 

[Chaotoroboto]

A 21" 4:3 TV has an area of roughly 211 sq in. or 1346 sq cm.

A 23" 16:9 has an area of roughly 226 sq in. or 1437 sq cm.

A 16:9 image on a 21" 4:3 TV should have an area of roughly 158 sq in. or 1010 sq cm.

A 4:3 image on a 23" 16:9 TV should have an area of roughly 170 sq in. or 1078 sq cm.

Does the TV you're considering accept 1080p signals? If you're talking about buying a TV specifically for the PS3, that would seem to be the must-have feature.

 

[Goldrusher]

True, prices are similar here... except that online I can get the 23R for 559 Euros (Pixmania).

Does that including shipping ? Cheapest webshop I can find that delivers to my house, is barely 20 euro cheaper than at a local store.

Eight now I am watching movies and gaming on a 21'', 480i, 4:3 CRT (aiwa)... I just need to think about how much smaller would an not stretched 4:3 picture be on a 23'' 16:9 display and think about how much I would be missing over the current solution.

To keep the same size 4:3, you need a 26" or 27".
I have a 4:3 21" at the moment myself, that's why I'm looking for a 26" or 27".

Does the TV you're considering accept 1080p signals? If you're talking about buying a TV specifically for the PS3, that would seem to be the must-have feature.

First of all, 1080p on a 23" or even 26" does not exist. Unless you buy a PC-monitor, but then you'll pay two to three times the money.
(Smallest 1080p tv is about 37" from what I have been reading.)

Secondly, talking about money, who says we can afford a 1080p tv ?
Ofcouse a 7-series BMW is better than some hatchback Dodge, but what if you can't afford that 7-series BMW ? Or if it doesn't fit in your garage ?

 

[TTP]

Like how they told me to wait until 2006 for SED. :lol

Jesus...if someone is looking for a cheap, yet decent car, you'll say "Just save up and get a BMW 7 ?"

Did I say to wait for SED? No.
And you can find 40''/1080p Samsung display at less than 1000 Euros already, so, for a system capable of producing 1080p images with the Deep Color support granted by the 1.3 HDMI, I'd say waiting for March for a 40''/1080p display @ perhaps 800 Euros (or less) is smarter than buying a 23''/720 display at 559 Euros now, without even having the PlayStation 3.

 

[Goldrusher]

Uh, that tv you show costs a whopping € 2339,99 !
That's 3000 dollar.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Does that including shipping ? Cheapest webshop I can find that delivers to my house, is barely 20 euro cheaper than at a local store.

Well, I found shipping costs to be 19 Euros.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Did I say to wait for SED? No.
And you can find 40''/1080p Samsung display at less than 1000 Euros already, so, for a system capable of producing 1080p images with the Deep Color support granted by the 1.3 HDMI, I'd say waiting for March for a 40''/1080p display @ perhaps 800 Euros (or less) is smarter than buying a 23''/720 display at 559 Euros now, without even having the PlayStation 3.

What you say has some bearing and I will wait for a few months before making my purchase, but in my room I do NOT have the space for a 40''-er.

 

[FoxSpirit]

Did I say to wait for SED? No.
And you can find 40''/1080p Samsung display at less than 1000 Euros already, so, for a system capable of producing 1080p images with the Deep Color support granted by the 1.3 HDMI, I'd say waiting for March for a 40''/1080p display @ perhaps 800 Euros (or less) is smarter than buying a 23''/720 display at 559 Euros now, without even having the PlayStation 3.

OUCH!!

Are you really capable of understanding what your "special offer" is saying? :lol

Save 960 bucks off 3299 and get it for just 2399.99 !!!

That's not the price tag, just the amount you safe

In good honesty, if you life in Europe, wait for the Sharp lc37XD1E to drop, it's already at 1800 and should be findable at a good grand in the future. hopefully.