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Heavy Rain Revealed on Next Week's GTTV
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Insane Metal
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:lolbathala said:
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what is gameZealousD said:
Callibretto
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stuburns said:
I was thinking the trailer or ads should simply be like movie trailer and ads. no need to really explain the gameplay imo. if the story is truly interesting people will probably buy that from that alone.
so, 2-3 minute trailer, used solely to explain backstory and premise of the story. use movie trailer narrator as well.
Guy LeDouche
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i dig it. unique exclusives are never (rarely?) bad. i can see why sony will be pimping this at the show.
JCreasy
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Ploid 3.0 said:
Yeah, it makes me wonder what other kind of high-tech gadgetry we might see in this game.
Early on I imagined that this same engine would work great for a Ghost in the Shell game, mostly because I was hoping to see some kind of hi-tech science fiction use worked into the context of an adventure game. I was dying to using something like the HUD in Iron Man. THEN May 22 comes along and I see that Heavy Rain has already taken care of that! AWESOME!
Kitschkraft
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David Cage seems to love the image of s single middle ages women walking around in her apartment with panties on...:lol Carla had some similar scenes in Fahrenheit.
Anyways, looks more QTE heavy than I would like, the detective stuff looks highly interesting though.
Anyways, looks more QTE heavy than I would like, the detective stuff looks highly interesting though.
MWS Natural
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Why is everyone calling it a QTE fest when he already stated you fully control the character during normal gameplay and only during "specific action sequences" there are QTE's?? So if there are only 10 action sequences that last 1min out of 5+hrs of gameplay Heavy Rain is considered an interactive movie and not a game? :lol
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MWS Natural said:
Because once the QTE starts it never fucking ends, just like Fahrenheit.
Kitschkraft
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MWS Natural said:
Because regardless of what he's said, most of the footage they have shown thus far has been heavy on such events?
I think that QTE's are inherently annoying. They really just don't add anything to the gameplay imo. "Press L1 here", "Tap X here", whats the point? I've heard Cage get into all that "The physical angst that your character is going through is reminiscent of what you are going through with the QTE" stuff and I think it's bullshit. They are just a way for designers to have cool, cinematic scenes in their games while still adding a small amount of interactivity.
PowderedToast
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My expectations are just based off what Cage has said. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he say a while ago that they'd finally conquered the uncanny valley with their tech? This was before we saw the first Madison video. I think it was around the time the video of the eyes was released.
Well anyway, that's just been confirmed as hyperbole. I've seen much better lip-syncing and voice acting than this. I'm actually really disappointed, I hope it improves.
Well anyway, that's just been confirmed as hyperbole. I've seen much better lip-syncing and voice acting than this. I'm actually really disappointed, I hope it improves.
But if said interactivity can change the very scene and moreso the game and story as a whole is it still even considered a QTE by definition? Not many QTE's function this way. None that Ive played. So how is it even a QTE?Liara T'Soni said:
I dont think many people in this thread are asking themselves these questions and because of that I feel many of you are missing the point.
SuperSonic1305
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It's like Phoenix Wright with gameplay.
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PowderedToast said:
The demo with the girl going in the taxidermy's house was nicer graphically than what we have now, but moved the same way.
They never managed to have really convincing facial expressions, they put too much emphasis on the eyes, not enough on the eyebrows and the mouth.
MightyHedgehog
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Pretty much. Like that title, it seems all quite theoretically good 'n all (with a nice sense of janky but stylish presentation), but falls flat in execution when all you're actually doing is letting the game tell you that there's something important to interact with or not which leaves little left for the player to think about...just react in the most limited and spoon-fed fashion whether you're in a fast paced action sequence (of button presses shown to you and especially arbitrary controller motions to perform) or just pressing buttons that correspond to on-screen visuals that the game limits you to when 'looking for clues' or 'investigating'. Whatever hope for this to actually be as cool as Cage seems to enthuse about seems gone for me.Ether_Snake said:
I feel that way as well. When I think "QTE," I think random button presses flashing on screen in a static fashion. With Heavy Rain, its clearly more contextual than anything else. It may not be contextual in the sense of what Tomb Raider and Prince of Persia does (where the buttons for the QTE are related to the buttons you use in-game), but its integration into the scene itself helps remove itself from what we would normally associate with it..GqueB. said:
But then again, I also disliked God of War's QTE style as opposed to Indigo Prophecie's (except for the R/L sequences), so take that as you will. I have no severe doubts for Heavy Rain, outside of lack of consistency in facial animation and quality voice acting/script.
Voice acting needs to be a hell of a lot better and should be completed for the thought sequences as well. While they don't need known voice actors, they could certainly do much better. Both characters could use more baritone.
Animation looks to a be in a bit of rough shape as well since the FBI guy's model disappears completely for a fraction of a second at 3:08 while he's manipulating the gun.
Animation looks to a be in a bit of rough shape as well since the FBI guy's model disappears completely for a fraction of a second at 3:08 while he's manipulating the gun.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Goddamn. I hate the fact that they have added spoilers in these videos (especially the one in Playstation Blog). Ain't seeing them again.
Kitschkraft
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.GqueB. said:
A QTE is when a button/direction pops up on screen that the player presses to make his/her character do something that they usually cannot do with the regular controls.
The branching path/interactive story stuff is different from the QTE.
I find that the QTE goes AGAINST the use of the branching stories. It takes longer to look at a screen, digest the information given on the screen, and to press the corresponding button than it does to do the same action in real life. What this means is that for all the "choose your own path" stuff, what you REALLY want to do with often depend on whether or not you got butterfingers, or whether or not you are quick enough with the button commands.
I understand what he's trying to do, I just find it unfortunate that he's placing so much importance on QTE's again. Maybe it's the only way this type of game can be done with current hardware and if thats the case than so be it, but the experience, in theory and in actual gameplay, is very limiting to me.
Lion Heart
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I still think we don't have enough footage to make statements like "Bad writing/voice overs", when all we've seen is a sarcastic druggie cop and a gangsta.
gantz85 said:
01-09-2008, so either January last year, or September, no idea which.
I don't think it's true though. Unless you misunderstood my post. I'm not saying people are complaining, of course people do in all the threads, I know I do. However, mostly people seem to either like the game and wish they were a little different, or they don't really post in them, unless just to troll. Or to air legitimate criticism, as if they've brought it and it's not what they wanted.
It seems like a lot of people want this game to be a completely different game. I don't understand it. It's so far away from what they want, that it'd be a different game.
Andronicus
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freethought
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't you fail the QTE's in Shen Mue and the game would continue? I'm sure I remember that happening.
Another thing is, some of these button prompts are dialogue options and contextual actions. They likely have no time limit. An example would be those forensic sections where an arrow prompt flashes up but you don't need to press down at that exact second. That's what defines QTE. Not whether they have consequences, but if they're timed. Contextual actions and dialogue options aren't QTE's, even if they're triggered by on-screen button prompts. If you only have so much time to enter the correct button, it's a QTE. It has nothing to do with whether it repeats or not.
Another thing is, some of these button prompts are dialogue options and contextual actions. They likely have no time limit. An example would be those forensic sections where an arrow prompt flashes up but you don't need to press down at that exact second. That's what defines QTE. Not whether they have consequences, but if they're timed. Contextual actions and dialogue options aren't QTE's, even if they're triggered by on-screen button prompts. If you only have so much time to enter the correct button, it's a QTE. It has nothing to do with whether it repeats or not.
Liara T'Soni said:
That's a silly argument though, because basic motor control skills are crucial to every game, since the controller is the input for game consoles. These input skills and coordination are important in varyingly different degrees dependent on the game genre and Heavy Rain falls more into the action-game genre rather than the tactical RPG genre with regards to the speed and accuracy of controller input.
To argue that QTEs are limiting because they restrict your choice through motor control and hand-eye-brain coordination is not appropriate. You may say, "But I wanted to do A and I could only do B!" Well, it's really the same for every game and in real life, isn't it?
Those are action scenes though. For something more involving and considered, it would be more interesting if you could have branching gameplay in some of the slower, more considered scenes which are not QTE dependent e.g. being able to choose where to go or what to do in a no-pressure scene that would result in a drastically different storyline.
stuburns said:
How is that anything new to GAF? We've seen it in many forms everywhere. Like people complaining about the physics and jumping style in LittleBigPlanet to people talking about how MGS4 weren't living up to their expectations of what it would be. People like to join in conversations, and more often than not they like to go against the grain, make themselves heard, spoil other people's parties and so on. That's just the GAF way
To me, those things are different.gantz85 said:
Sackboy's non-Mario jump is something major in the LBP game, however, I could see it as being a thing that could be changed fairly easily, and it's still a game that is in the genre those people care about. If you like Mario, and you want Sackboy's jump to be that responsive, that makes sense to me.
Same with MGS4, complaints based on what the game is, in comparison to legitimate ideas of what it would be.
Heavy Rain is the natural evolution from the games that team have been making for a long time. It seems that people who are disappointed with this had very strange expectations of what this was going to be.
I just thought it was strange. People wanting the Mario jump in LBP doesn't seem strange to me. People not wanting Heavy Rain to be anything like the games QD make does seem strange.
Lord Error
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I don't think it was nicer at all compared to that club scene. It looked great, but the club trailer looked even more impressive.Ether_Snake said: