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Heroes 3x13 - Duel (midseason finale)

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DrForester said:
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PRESIDENT WORF!


Representative David Wu did try to warn us about Klingon's in the White House.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p892dUiTMss
Anyone want to guess if and what Michael Dorn's powers are?

Hero of Kitimer :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
 
I finally caught and saw all the episodes. The final two episodes were much better than the prior stuff but it was still essentially a big mess with lots of holes.

We all know Sylar will be back even though it makes no sense, and Peter will continue to be an idiot and other random setups.

Am I the only one who found it hilarious that Peter has been fighting this entire time to stop people from getting powers but the moment he has a chance to get his back he immediately jumps on it.

Hypocrite. :lol
 
Stoney Mason said:
I finally caught and saw all the episodes. The final two episodes were much better than the prior stuff but it was still essentially a big mess with lots of holes.

We all know Sylar will be back even though it makes no sense, and Peter will continue to be an idiot and other random setups.

Am I the only one who found it hilarious that Peter has been fighting this entire time to stop people from getting powers but the moment he has a chance to get his back he immediately jumps on it.

Hypocrite. :lol
Joke? Claire revived from the same situation as well (first season), so why wouldn't Sylar?

And it's not surprising Peter wanted back his powers. He just didn't want the whole world to have them.
 
So did Meredith implode/explode or did she simply uncontrollably unleash a large inferno blast? If it's the later she is still alive; her brother said earlier on in the episode that he couldn't get burned, so I assume it would be the same for her.

BTW wtf happened to the Haitian? Wasn't he supposed to be following Sylar in the last episode?

Somewhat good episode overall. Loved the beginning commentary by Sylar and the Pikachu punch in the face. Biggest gripe is that all loose ends were fixed too abruptly making it seem as if this first half of the season was completely pointless. The future that future Peter was trying to stop in the end of volume 2 and the beginning of this volume occurred/will occur anyway bleh.

When they get the balls to totally kill off a big main character I'll be happy. Hopefully we see that in volume 4.
 
Pretty good episode, my least favorite bits were again Noah/Claire/dumb fire mother. Sylar was pretty fun, i'm really curious now as to how his real father is.
Kinda suprised that there was no Haiten following him, i thought last episode he said he was going after him. Loved that Meredith got such a painful death, if any of those characters however used their brain they could have just knocked the bitch out. Like how invisible dude did to Peter in season1 went his powers became too much for him or when he was alone in the streets of NewYork, he also passed out by himself. Oh well, one less annoying character to deal with.


Knox and Flint were ok this episode, weird how they backed Peter up all of the sudden, but it did make sense in that they didn't want other people to have powers, makes them less special and it's the only thing they had.
At first i hated how Ando was acting, believing that he alone can save Hiro so he MUST have powers. I think Hiro needs to watch himself in the future, Ando is such a typical sidekick wants to be lead-scenario dude. And with his first taste of real power it's going to be more diffecult to let go.

Really glad but it was expected that Peter got his powers back, he's been tested and proven to still be a true hero at heart without his powers. Now it's a lot easier to understand why his future self would shoot Nathan, he's becoming quite the villian character, a return to his season1 persona, the guy that was considering letting NewYork blow up.

And yes timetravel is gone for now, nobody has it so Peter also cant obtain it. But Ando's power could be amazingly powerful for Peter(or Sylar if he steals if from Ando), Peter could supercharge himself and use other powers to the extreme or his own power which is getting a power from someone close to him, he could like Matt(hear everybody's thoughts in the city), get powers from everybody that has them in the city, huge amplifier.

I do wonder what will be done with Hiro, maybe the roles will be turned and Ando will be the hero and Hiro the sidekick.
 
Mr. Durden said:
Joke? Claire revived from the same situation as well (first season), so why wouldn't Sylar?

In that case we were given the benefit of seeing somebody remove the stick from the back of her head.

woahitsreeo said:
So did Meredith implode/explode or did she simply uncontrollably unleash a large inferno blast? If it's the later she is still alive; her brother said earlier on in the episode that he couldn't get burned, so I assume it would be the same for her.

The building collapsed from the fire.
 
Mr. Durden said:
Joke? Claire revived from the same situation as well (first season), so why wouldn't Sylar?

And it's not surprising Peter wanted back his powers. He just didn't want the whole world to have them.

Honestly I was thinking about cutting off body parts and scattering them across the world but I forgot that she can regenerate so you are indeed correct. We are stuck with an over powered Sylar again unless he suddenly forgets his powers...
 
IGN review of finale

December 16, 2008 - I think last week's episode, "Our Father," would have made a better way to end Volume Three of Heroes. It had a strong emotional pull, an effective look into the past, some kick ass moments with Sylar and a frightening glimpse at what may be in store for a future filled with super heroes. But instead of ending there, the volume ended with "Dual," which was an episode with some interesting ideas but clunky execution.

Each segment suffered from the weak storytelling and a lack of believability in the characters. This lack of believability stems from the paths taken in the episodes that preceded this. It's been my big complaint all season, that characters make choices to service the plot instead of making logical decisions based on character. Nathan, for one, made no sense to me. He was shot moments before revealing he had powers, then he was born again, then he was out to stop his father, then he was out to fulfill his father's dream. The reasons for all these changes of mind were weak or nonexistent and it made his actions in this episode fail to resonate.

Why he suddenly hated his brother so much that he would have refused to save him from the burning building is beyond me. I just don't get it. But now that he's in this state of mind, he can kick start Volume Four by turning in his brother (and the rest of them) into the government. The "Fugitives" idea seems like a great next step, but the process by which we've reached this point has been less than satisfying.

Other interesting ideas that surfaced in "Dual" included Peter siding with Flint and Dixon to destroy the formula and the lab. Peter was doing it to save the future, the others were doing it to remain special. In those moments, with Mohinder put in danger, you couldn't tell which side was good and which side was evil. But, again, the execution prevented the idea from reaching its full potential.

Sylar trapping Claire, Noah, Meredith and Angela inside Primatech was another interesting concept that never really made much sense. Sylar's speeches were meant to be deep and existential, but it all kind of sounded lik e gibberish. When he finally got around to setting up some difficult choices (save yourself and kill Meredith; save your grandmother or your father) there's little tension or drama. Part of this was due to there being no real sense of where people were. Sylar was broadcasting from some undisclosed location, Meredith was with Bennet one minute, roaming the halls alone the next. I also found it ridiculous that Mr. Bennet released some villains from Level 5 as bait, but then apparently never left Level 5. So, again, we had some interesting ideas, but poor execution.

Ando injecting the formula in an effort to save Hiro was a huge step for the character, so it was too bad the whole thing was sort of treated as the comic relief of the episode. Elsewhere, the episode lacked any emotional reaction. Sylar gets a shard of glass in the sweet spot in the back of his head, but you can't invest yourself in the character being dead. Even minor character Meredith could have survived the huge fire she started. The series has established that there's always a way out of any given predicament. If anything makes this episode worthy of being a Volume finale, it's the hint of what's to come in Volume Four. And it's not necessarily the fact that the heroes are now going to be hunted -- or that Worf is president -- it's that things can start anew. All the problems people have had with the first half of season three could all be forgotten with an incredible, mind-blowing second half. Can it be done? We'll have to wait until February to see.

6.6 out of 10

http://tv.ign.com/articles/938/938728p1.html
 
wait hiro lost his power so is he gonna be gone from the show, also if he has no powers why was he mentioned or seen in the fugitive preview at the end.
 
That IGN review is spot, especially in regards to Nathan. His character has been totally shit on.

tribal24 said:
wait hiro lost his power so is he gonna be gone from the show, also if he has no powers why was he mentioned or seen in the fugitive preview at the end.
The only people who know Hiro is powerless are Daphne, Matt and Ando so it makes sense he'd be rounded up as well.
 
the problem I think this show has is that it got carried away from what it always was - a show about 'regular people' with superpowers, and the superpowers thing became everything about the show. I always liked the show, I still like the show, because I have hope for it and what it could be. I never took it too seriously. It's the opposite of the Terminator series, for me. See, to me, it's hysterical that the people on the show 'in the know' of Skynet and whatnot are trying to lead normal lives - knowing what they know. It doesn't make sense to me, especially since they're trying to prevent the 'big bad' from happening. (it strikes me a crazy in an 'ignorance is bliss!' sort of way, actually) But it makes sense that a person who finds that they've superpowers would TRY to lead as normal a life as possible. Also, the Terminator series has THE mythology to live up to - which it will NEVER be able to do, for me. While Heroes is basically a show based on its own potential - what it COULD be, and I'm still hopeful for that. I always watch Heroes thinking: well, maybe next time...! :lol

(i have no idea why I brought up T:tSCC in relation to Heroes, but I just think they both suffer from each other's main prob. - odd char. focus!)

my only big disappointment is Elle = RIP. ;_;
 
Also did anyone else notice that when Nathan woke up after being sucker punched by Peter that Arthur's body was NO WHERE to be found?

I guess he's going to come back just like Sylar.

I don't know why I continue to watch this series.
 
xaosslug said:
the problem I think this show has is that it got carried away from what it always was - a show about 'regular people' with superpowers, and the superpowers thing became everything about the show.
That's because so many people complained that superpowers weren't showcased enough (see reactions to the Peter/Sylar "showdown"). The writers have no idea how to balance shit on this show. The pacing suffers from the same issue.
 
you know, why does Hayden P./Claire wear a hairpiece/wig??? I mean I prefer it to her real hair, personally, but it's been fairly obv. for a while now her hair is fake. I've been wondering why? Does anyone know?
 
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My first .avi to .gif, I probably compressed too high but the filesize was big, managed to get it around 500k or so...

I could watch this looped for days, ali larter getting punched = best part of the episode :lol :lol

I love daphne's face after! haha
 
so is Sylar now a puppet master? And who was the 3rd guy they realeaed besides puppet master and steel guy (who I thought was the one Mohinder killed with the tests)?
 
Trevor360 said:
so is Sylar now a puppet master? And who was the 3rd guy they realeaed besides puppet master and steel guy (who I thought was the one Mohinder killed with the tests)?

No, he was just much more powerful then fat puppetmaster, also he was still able to use his telekineses.
No, steel dude was brought in by Eric Roberts character and Meredith close to a year ago. And the formula was supposed to give abilities to those that don't have it, so the guy that was tested upon was probaly just an unfortunate non-powered ginnypig. Third guy that was released was just another prisoner, i don't think any information was given about who he was, just like the other two, he was just fodder for Sylar.
 
Trevor360 said:
so is Sylar now a puppet master? And who was the 3rd guy they realeaed besides puppet master and steel guy (who I thought was the one Mohinder killed with the tests)?


He didnt take that power. Writers knew better than to allow that.
 
All characters should be counted as alive unless shown dead for a whole scene.

Echo DeMille was a graphic novel character killed off on the show. He was the third prisoner shown, he had an interesting power already shown.

Mrs. Hawkins had a power that manipulated abilities too. Presumably hers were not synthetic.

After Fugitives wraps what do you guys think about a secret war of Naturals vs Synthetic Powered?

Isn't it neat how all the futures sort of blend a bit together, except for that Virus one... bleh.
 
KibblesBits said:
All characters should be counted as alive unless shown dead for a whole scene.

Echo DeMille was a graphic novel character killed off on the show. He was the third prisoner shown, he had an interesting power already shown.
See this is why I should read the graphic novels. To find inconsistent info like this.
 
Some funny moments, some terrible. And that's all I have to say about it.

KibblesBits said:
After Fugitives wraps what do you guys think about a secret war of Naturals vs Synthetic Powered?

Nah, because then it'd be about the powers again.
 
Napoleonthechimp said:
Some funny moments, some terrible. And that's all I have to say about it.



Nah, because then it'd be about the powers again.

I'm thinking more along the lines of civil rights issues... meh.
It probably wouldn't pass the 150 hours.
 
Can someone remind me what happened to the girl would could learn movements just from seeing them?

She was hiding in some house and then some gang members took her away in a van...was that the last we ever saw of her?
 
MrSardonic said:
Can someone remind me what happened to the girl would could learn movements just from seeing them?

She was hiding in some house and then some gang members took her away in a van...was that the last we ever saw of her?
Monica is wherever Micah is as they have both been absent from this season since the place exploded with Nikki/Jessica in it. BTW I'm seriously doubting that Nikki/Jessica is dead but is actually Tracey somehow.
 
MrSardonic said:
Can someone remind me what happened to the girl would could learn movements just from seeing them?

She was hiding in some house and then some gang members took her away in a van...was that the last we ever saw of her?

After her brother gets Micah's backpack, along with his comics and his father's medal, stolen, Monica tells Micah she knows where the boy who stole the backpack lives and takes Micah there. Disguising herself in a black hood, Monica watches a video of parkour on the iPod Bob gave her, then breaks into the deserted house and easily finds Micah's things. However, the house is broken into by a group of arsonists who capture her and throw her in the back of a van. She is taken to an abandoned building and tied up. The arsonist starts spreading gasoline all over the floor. Monica manages to get her phone out of her pocket and turned on. Using Micah's ability, Niki is able to track Monica's cell phone and find her. She enters the burning building, unties Monica, and helps her escape before the building explodes with Niki in it.

from wiki
 
I enjoyed it. It was daft in parts, but it always is and has been. This season more than others admittedly.

Essentially a lot of the nightmare future elements that Peter / Hiro saw could still come true. People with powers will still be hunted down, Nathan could still make President, if Sylar ever finds someone who could do what Candice did, he could still kill Nathan and take his place. Mohinder has ended up with Tracy, she may have designs on the formula which cured him... so maybe even people could still end up flying in the sky, or armies could be tooled up with super powers.

Ando's power had the same SFX that they had when he appeared to "kill" hiro. I wonder if he was really killing him at all?

I didn't see the stuff in Primatech as just a nod to Saw... it was also a realisation of Angela's dream - worst case scenario being that everyone could have died there.

The actor who plays Nathan is better as a sort of bad politically minded villain, his susceptibility to act against the other heroes is what made him more interesting in Season 1. His character does seem a little lost in an incoherent way, but he should make a good villain in future. I had hoped for a sort of Charles / Magneto kind of thing in this show -- something Arthur / Angela could have been really... but a bit of brotherly rivalry will have to do.

Anyway, I'll watch chapter IV... whenever that is... all I know now is:

BSG and Lost are back soon! :D :D
 
I've been one of the few people defending the show this season, but quite frankly I'm getting weary. I'll give the new producers two episodes before I decide if I'll keep watching it. I realized on this episode that Kristen Bell was the only reason I watched the show.
 
So is Ando's power supposed to be symbolic, like he's the kind of person to help a hero rather than be one? I dunno... That's a pretty cool power though, he's the opposite of the haitian.
 
SilentProtagonist said:
So is Ando's power supposed to be symbolic, like he's the kind of person to help a hero rather than be one? I dunno... That's a pretty cool power though, he's the opposite of the haitian.
What happens if Ando touches the Haitian? :O
 
Nathan's turning out to be a dick :(

SilentProtagonist said:
So is Ando's power supposed to be symbolic, like he's the kind of person to help a hero rather than be one? I dunno... That's a pretty cool power though, he's the opposite of the haitian.
Ando is a male cheerleader now

ironic powers for the win
 
So I wouldn't be surprised if Ando becomes able to supercharge Hiro's powers back into him, just so that there is a reason for Hiro to still be around.

Or they will just flip around the hero/sidekick relationship for awhile, even if Ando is pretty useless himself.

Also, isn't this the same power that Hiro saw Ando kill him with in whatever future that was? I seem to recall a red beam, so maybe Ando can just death ray people too.
 
ultron87 said:
Also, isn't this the same power that Hiro saw Ando kill him with in whatever future that was? I seem to recall a red beam, so maybe Ando can just death ray people too.
I think it's pretty clear that Ando was supercharging Hiro in the future. From Hiro's perspective, not knowing what Ando's power was, it just looked like Ando was Hadoukening him.
 
xaosslug said:
you know, why does Hayden P./Claire wear a hairpiece/wig??? I mean I prefer it to her real hair, personally, but it's been fairly obv. for a while now her hair is fake. I've been wondering why? Does anyone know?

Her hair is shorter now (or at least at the time of this photo). Could be why.

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