The Lamonster
Member
This is pretty cool. I'm jealous!
-
Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
Heroes of the Storm Technical Alpha Thread: [Artifacts Removed]
- Thread starter fluffydelusions
- Start date
- Status
This is pretty cool. I'm jealous!
Praise the old gods and the new.
I hope they are done with the alpha soon and go straight into open beta.
I didn't mind them making money, I minded them making everything horrible to play.
Hell if they wanted to make heroes cost 5 times more gold that would still have been better as at least you could have them optimal shortly after getting them.
Well they couldn't ignore them. There was a very VERY vocal majority to change the talent system and the artifacts.
So about all that gold I spent on artifacts...
Close but no cigar. LOL, this lasted just a little over a week.
Oh dear god I am so happy now. Really glad they didn't continue with the artifact system as its clearly a broken idea for the style of HotS, and there are far better ways to make people spend their gold. I want Heroes to stay as a pick-up-and-play style MOBA that isn't straight off the bat unbalanced, because this is what I enjoy the most.
Also really glad to see the levelling changes, gating talents was okay in that it teaches players, but the XP needed was astronomical.
Also really glad to see the levelling changes, gating talents was okay in that it teaches players, but the XP needed was astronomical.
In our poor days sure but now there is too much money and shes hungry for more! I can't support her anymore, my baby what happened to us.....
The Lamonster
Member
This is exactly how I feel. I'd love to start earning EXP that wouldn't get erased.
Yeah same, since it seems like I'll never actually get an invite =(.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
Well that's welcome news, I'm equal parts surprised and pleased. Hopefully whatever money sinks they come up with from here out will be more cosmetic, or at least less of a burden.
I hope they send out a new wave of invites soon, I can't wait to play another DB-designed game (I am a fan of RA2 and SC2). I find it interesting how Blizzard has chosen to monetize the game, I was almost absolutely sure they would go the DOTA2 route in that respect. I wonder if they would still be open to modifying it. Blizzcon is in October so I am sure we can expect some major announcements there.
Yes, but it's DOA and getting killed off next patch. Most people also hate runes. LoL/SFxT have taught us well.
It's killed now. The patch landed a few days ago.
Ah, nice. I've been waiting for it to open up a bit so I can try playing with friends.
SteveWinwood
Member
a good developer would have used common sense to know it was a dumb idea in the first place
When you're the one writing software, your motivations and perspective are wildly different from those who are only consuming it. Very often it takes outsider feedback to make you realize that your priorities and users' sensibilities are out of sync
Just recently got into the Alpha and finally got around to giving this a shot tonight. Pretty fun. My experience with MOBAs is very limited so this game seems more newbie friendly. It's been pretty easy to understand the heroes that I've played.
I hear you get a bonus for playing in a party (or with friends? I forget which) so what would be a good place to find people at an intro skill level? Or should I just keep doing Practice/Cooperative until I feel comfortable enough to go against real people?
I hear you get a bonus for playing in a party (or with friends? I forget which) so what would be a good place to find people at an intro skill level? Or should I just keep doing Practice/Cooperative until I feel comfortable enough to go against real people?
You do know this is an alpha right? Blizzard isn't omnipotent, they have to see what does and doesn't work for their game.
Friends. It's not entirely uncommon to just friend list people you're getting randomly matched with. No real 'when' to go into versus, know that even though it's alpha there can be some toxic people - so it's going to be when you think you can stomach someone being a total dipshit. It's nowhere near league/dota levels, but it's there. Even just saying your new might get some sneers but you'll probably also meet friendly people.
witchedwiz
Member
Dunno...
Arti fact could have stayed.. But..talent gating AND insane gold cost of heroes given the new daily reward in gold.... Quite lame..
Arti fact could have stayed.. But..talent gating AND insane gold cost of heroes given the new daily reward in gold.... Quite lame..
SteveWinwood
Member
these guys are so insanely late to the party
the models that are consumer friendly have already been figured out
they went beyond those and duh people got pissed off
they either have to have their head so far up your ass that you have no clue whats happening elsewhere in the world, or they were intentionally going into screwing people (and their game) over for money territory
But LoL is the most popular online game in the world, and it still has the Runes system??
Because it's been in since the beginning and removing it would be problematic.
Yes, obviously, but holy shit it's hyperbolic and insane to say that because they tested out a system that is also in the most popular game in the world during an ALPHA that they're completely incompetent and moronic. Does that mean the League devs are all awful people too?
Like, there can be a middle ground, which is that Blizz is a good developer that lost sight for a minute of what people would think of Artifacts. Seems simple enough to me. If you've ever been in a LEGITIMATE alpha test before you've seen plenty of stupid ideas in any number of games before that were removed. The only reason we see all of this is because Blizz invites outside parties into their alphas, and they make blog updates and stuff because they know this shit is going to leak out anyway (and it used to before they started doing that).
Let's take it another extreme: If Blizz was smart enough to remove the system within a week, what does it mean for League where they let it go live and literally cannot remove it now without screwing people out of real life money (boosts/champs unbought because of runes, etc)?
Like, get a grip.
Like, there can be a middle ground, which is that Blizz is a good developer that lost sight for a minute of what people would think of Artifacts. Seems simple enough to me. If you've ever been in a LEGITIMATE alpha test before you've seen plenty of stupid ideas in any number of games before that were removed. The only reason we see all of this is because Blizz invites outside parties into their alphas, and they make blog updates and stuff because they know this shit is going to leak out anyway (and it used to before they started doing that).
Let's take it another extreme: If Blizz was smart enough to remove the system within a week, what does it mean for League where they let it go live and literally cannot remove it now without screwing people out of real life money (boosts/champs unbought because of runes, etc)?
Like, get a grip.
Runes also are pretty meaningless to casual play in LoL. LoL whole rune setup is actually pretty balanced.
Back to the actual game - gods I'm sicking of pick up groups with Hammer.
Theoretically a totally overpowered hero right now, but in practice more often than not the reason we wipe because the Hammer player thinks that going solo in a lane is the best use of the tank. When the enemy is making a massive death ball push down the middle, where is the tank - pushing solo south for absolutely no purpose.
Has happened so often now I'm just hoping she gets dropped out of the free hero rotation. Just because in practice games she can solo a lane from start to the core doesn't mean in a normal game she should or can.
Theoretically a totally overpowered hero right now, but in practice more often than not the reason we wipe because the Hammer player thinks that going solo in a lane is the best use of the tank. When the enemy is making a massive death ball push down the middle, where is the tank - pushing solo south for absolutely no purpose.
Has happened so often now I'm just hoping she gets dropped out of the free hero rotation. Just because in practice games she can solo a lane from start to the core doesn't mean in a normal game she should or can.
I think all of the specialists, maybe not witch doctor, feel that way when pugging. Unorthodox playstyle characters lead to lots of people just experimenting or being bad in general at them.
I'm having a good time with the game. Feels very polished for an Alpha build but from what I read they are definitely trying out new things.
I've been playing around with the free heroes, mostly enjoying Tyrael and Tyrande. Cooperative mode has been fine but when I hop into Versus, pretty much every game I play goes horribly south though. I've noticed there is a good advantage to pushing the objective, but usually my team ignores it and continues to lane or just plays catch up with the enemy. I feel like I'm out of the loop, doesn't help that most people I encounter do not communicate and just say "noobs" or what not.
Anywhere I can read up on some general tips and strategy?
I've been playing around with the free heroes, mostly enjoying Tyrael and Tyrande. Cooperative mode has been fine but when I hop into Versus, pretty much every game I play goes horribly south though. I've noticed there is a good advantage to pushing the objective, but usually my team ignores it and continues to lane or just plays catch up with the enemy. I feel like I'm out of the loop, doesn't help that most people I encounter do not communicate and just say "noobs" or what not.
Anywhere I can read up on some general tips and strategy?
I dunno, but League's business model is fucking awful and it's a damned shame that it's so popular because now everyone is copying it.
Yeah and unfortunately they went with one that isn't
Want to just add to this message that you can mute any teammate's text chat while in game from the score screen (Tab). Hell, if someone is being a shithead just mentioning that you may block him may make him behave.
In defense, Specialists are often both A)the best solo/split pushers on the team, and B)really weak in team fights unless the team accounts for them. Murky and Abathur need to be played off of. Witch Doctor, Hammer, and Zagara need to be protected so they can get into the best positions for their abilities. And there are times where it's sometimes worth trading an objective if you can quickly trade an enemy fort for it (and often worth trading if it's an inner keep) before trying to run and catch up to the end of a team fight.
To be fair to your complaints, split pushing in this game is much weaker than I'd like it to be. Like Gazlowe running amok through merc camps, it's really really hard to do against a decent 5man.
Oh I don't think the specialists are weak, far from it. I *DO* think that the average random pubby player though can only play the most standard game possible (In league, dota, or heroes) and these heroes are not suited to it. So at worst, they just play like a normal character, or they vaguely understand (as in the sgt hammer example) a strength of their character and push that to the extreme of uselessness.
SteveWinwood
Member
okay cool
well it means that league has a bad monetary aspect? duh we already knew that
and why would they try to copy it in any way shape or form? its not for the benefit of the playerbase
i mean dont get me wrong its good they removed it and actually listened
but man what a pair of balls on them expecting that to go well
yeah blizzard totally doesnt have the man power or the money
and there is no rotation? unless youre talking about limited heroes mode which doesnt rotate and is the worst mode in the world and no one plays
We get it, you don't like Blizzard. Your ranting is totally unfounded and it's clear that you've never played a game that was in an alpha state, which is why most companies don't let people see alphas except in tightly controlled ways. Blizz doesn't really have that luxury, they're too big and the alphas always leak regardless. Shit changes during development, so when something you don't like is live for A FUCKING WEEK it does not really say much of anything.
SteveWinwood
Member
huh
okay next week when they implement little respawn cards for a dollar each that determine how many times you can keep coming back...
oh but its alpha
Nope, there's no rotation mode for new players.
There's a least played hero mode for everyone which disables your 40 most used heroes to encourage you to try new heroes out, and limited hero mode which is a selection of the 20 most beginner friendly heroes (these don't change at all).
- Status