DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
He's been through a lot over the past couple years and looks like he's finally well enough to travel and make appearances.
I'm happy to see him doing well.
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Hey, look who's finally feeling healthy enough to travel and make appearances again. Some news to smile about
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He's been through a lot over the past couple years and looks like he's finally well enough to travel and make appearances.
I'm happy to see him doing well.
Cyberpunkd
Member
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Jordan Peterson.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
At this point, I am having a hard time taking the guy seriously. That said, his first book is still relevant for so many young people. I recommend it for anyone who feels like life is out of control.
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
who?
funkygunther
Banned
The intellectual dark web is back baby
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
InfiniteCombo
Banned
Is that you with him in the picture?
He's been through a lot over the past couple years and looks like he's finally well enough to travel and make appearances.
I'm happy to see him doing well.
Also, no offense, but at least put his name on the OP. Not everybody will know who somebody is just from a picture.
But, once you did write his name down, the people still going "Hurr durr, who??" -- you guys ever hear of a Google search?
Anyway, back to the main topic: I like Jordan Peterson but take a very pragmatic approach to his content (just like I do with anything else, really). He's very smart, has a very sharp and quick thought process, and has a lot of good things to say; but I also don't take anything he says as gospel, as some of his more rabid fans tend to do.
His interview/conversation with Cathy Newman is a good example of how he approches conversations and debates with those who disagree with him. Cathy's aggressive, interruptive, and misunderstanding approach prove to be her downfall. (I'm commenting almost purely on the conversational and debate tactics, not the social/political subject matter).
John Bilbo
Member
Personally I found this recent short video of his very moving.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
No, that’s Douglas Murray. Another fella I’m a fan of.
No offense taken, I probably should have, just forgot.
Richard Packer
Member
Mistake
Member
To be fair, some of the world’s brightest throughout history usually had a few screws loose. Gotta take the good with the bad. It’s nice he’s feeling better
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Jordan has been a lot more inquisitive lately. Listening to his recent conversations, instead of trying to preach and inform, he’s been kinda taking a backseat approach and just getting other peoples points of view on things. He’s definitely more mellow these days.
chixdiggit
Member
Captain America and Rick Grimes?
He's been through a lot over the past couple years and looks like he's finally well enough to travel and make appearances.
I'm happy to see him doing well.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
My exact reaction.
kanjobazooie
Mouse Ball Fetishist
Not a fan of him, but it's good to see people recover and become healthier. He had covid?
QSD
Member
Yeah to me he is the guy who said some pretty insightful things, but at the same time he's also the guy who claimed on Rogan that he stayed awake for 7 days straight after drinking apple cider. He's adamant about personal responsibility, but when asked on triggernometry how he got hooked on benzo's he says they were prescribed to him and 'I just kept taking them'. He's become prone to saying some pretty out of touch and hard to believe things. The last video he posted was some kind of Justin Trudeau thing which ended with an ominous, silent slide show from pinocchio.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
He had COVID, has an autoimmune issue he deals with that apparently puts him in great distress and went through benzo withdrawal where he needed to go to Europe to get detox. Then had some type of a relapse recently that set him back.
funkygunther
Banned
Benzos and steak
kanjobazooie
Mouse Ball Fetishist
Wow. This shit takes quite the toll on the body and mind.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
We all have our demons.
David Ricardo
Member
He doesn't complain too much about that. But when he was called a "mean mad white man" in a debate he pointed out that it wasn't appropriate. The guy who called him that, then doubled down. Could you imagine what would happen if a white person used the skin colour of any other race as an insult to a member of that race?
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Awesome. Like a lot of his speeches.
Phunkydiabetic
Banned
He's been through a lot over the past couple years and looks like he's finally well enough to travel and make appearances.
I'm happy to see him doing well.
Meh. I thought this was going to be a thread about Richard Simmons.
badblue
Member
How is saying "I kept taking them" not taking personal responsibility?
Most people that get hooked on benzos do so after being prescribed them by a doctor. I was prescribed benzos earlier this year and I was warned about the potential for addiction to them depending on dosage/duration. Three weeks on a light dose and I had a bit of withdrawal. From what I know, he got hooked because he took them for months while his wife was fighting kidney cancer and then developed a rare complication that damaged her lymphatic system (edit: and lets not forget all the hate he was getting too)
Some of the other things he is adamant about is taking care of your self and getting help when you need it.
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plushyp
Member
Too late to make this post.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Maybe you shouldn't base your opinions of others off "what you hear" and form one yourself?
This is how bad information spreads. From people too lazy to find out for themselves what someone is or isn't about and just adopt the opinions of others. Much of which are also adopted from the opinions of others, 10 factors removed from someone who's actually listened to or followed the person.
Tschumi
Member
I'll promise you this much, I'll never talk about him again so you can rest assured any assumptions of mine won't spread.
I'll give him a look since you ask. I've avoided the outrage and racial politics bug, though, so if that is indeed what he is about i guess you now know my opinion.
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funkygunther
Banned
he came into popularity by being against some Canadian law to do with compelled speech around trans people, since then he’s been asked his opinion on a number of woke culture war shite with varying levels of success
never seen him do anything about racial politics though, it’s usually patriarchy, feminism, societal hierarchies and traditional conservatism
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Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Peterson is not a radical. His positions are basically old-school Liberal. That he got characterized as some sort of firebrand right-winger is just laughable.
Tschumi
Member
funkygunther
Clear
thanks for the info guys, i had a bit of a read too, i think he had like 15 years of published work before then so i don't want to talk on that stuff, he might have said entirely valid things, but yeah i don't sympathize with what his stance on that Canadian law apparently was.-------
In general, i make my own opinions, rather than looking for compadres to back me up, and so within the framework of my own life experience i don't really care if some law recognises any kind of gender pronouns, i mean it makes zero difference to, probably, what i will say for my entire life. And it might help a few minorities receive slightly less shit from emotional thugs. So I've no problem with it.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Can you not accept that his stance was based entirely upon concern over placing compelled speech into law? That's a big deal because of the potential consequences of allowing any government that right... precedents get set, loss of freedoms gets normalized... etc.
In any case, civility imposed under penalty is not progression, its basically a prison regime!
Point is, if you listen to Peterson you'll understand that his core intention is a deep altruism. The guy burst onto the mainstream with a self-help book, not a political manifesto.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Jordan speaks on some sociopolitical issues, but the far majority of his work is speaking about all kinds of interesting topics and philosophy.
Excess
Member
QSD
Member
It's not that he said that, it's that he kept taking them. JBP is aware that benzo's are highly addictive. If he was prescribed them for insomnia he should taken them only until the worst symptoms have subsided (e.g. he got a couple of nights sleep) and after that he should never have just blindly kept taking them, he should have started trying to sleep without them, using other methods like mindfullness practices to aid him. What he did was certainly irresponsible towards his own health and he paid a heavy price for it. I've never heard him reflect on it and the way he himself contributed to his near-death. That is one hell of a blind spot for someone who endlessly preaches personal responsiblity.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
I don't buy this at all. He was public enemy number one to your demo for quite some time. Stop trying to be cute. Nobody believes it.
Good to see him about. He's had a lot to say over the past few years. Most of it's really useful and insightful.
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Tams
Member
He's aged very badly over that time. It must have been really terrible. What exactly happened though?
While not exactly groundbreaking (then again, most things in life can't be), the debate and conversations tactics he used then were wonderful.
He was helped by debating/doing an interview with Cathy Newman; she's really not a good debater, or even interviewer. The only reason she, Krishnan Guru-Murphy and John Snow (the best of the three) have kept their jobs are because the people they normally interview/grill are usually politicians, who are often even worse debaters or are just spouting party lines and therefore easy prey. They are no Jeremy Paxman.
But I do agree that some people take their support of him too far, despite the lot of good he has to say. The Guardian actually did a good video series about some of the issues he addresses.
While not exactly groundbreaking (then again, most things in life can't be), the debate and conversations tactics he used then were wonderful.
He was helped by debating/doing an interview with Cathy Newman; she's really not a good debater, or even interviewer. The only reason she, Krishnan Guru-Murphy and John Snow (the best of the three) have kept their jobs are because the people they normally interview/grill are usually politicians, who are often even worse debaters or are just spouting party lines and therefore easy prey. They are no Jeremy Paxman.
But I do agree that some people take their support of him too far, despite the lot of good he has to say. The Guardian actually did a good video series about some of the issues he addresses.
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Halo is Back
Member
Why would that change your opinion of him? Hundreds of thousands of people have died from the drug because it's so addictive
Edit: quoted the wrong person
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Mohonky
Member
Kermit
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Benzos suck. I take cocaine for my anxiety and it works perfectly.
decisions
Member
I totally agree
DragoonKain
. It seemed like he was going to die for a few months there, and I’m glad to see him doing much better.
One of the great minds of modern society, haven’t checked out his second book yet but the first one was great with very actionable advice/philosophies for self-help.
DragoonKain
. It seemed like he was going to die for a few months there, and I’m glad to see him doing much better. One of the great minds of modern society, haven’t checked out his second book yet but the first one was great with very actionable advice/philosophies for self-help.
funkygunther
Banned
I think you still quoted the wrong person
Tschumi
Member
This is something i was kinda aware of, that's why i mentioned it, I'm just talking about the politics of certain statements.
I don't buy that "dangerous precedent" stuff, I don't think it's realistic, and i think it's a pointless redirection of what's really important: how are we going to handle the hack that social media is performing on our social mechanisms?
Words only had to be legislated against because wankers figured out that social media algorithms love negative content, and a huge portion of humanity can't tell when they're being used. If you've used a term like "woke", you're the bitch of someone trying to make money out of you. It's not the only such term, and they're not all right wing, but it's a good example.
I'm sorry but I don't like anybody indulging in click-chasing content, even if he did a self help book (tbh I'm going to look into it, out of interest, I'm not hating on his body of work) I'm happy to report I'm immune from following the leader, helps that i spend most of my free time playing games rather than looking for internet daddies, and have no social media accounts...
I know i won't get sympathetic replies here, take your shots if you want, i mean, i won't change my mind and I'm looking to educate myself on the guy, so try and be happy.