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Hey NeoGaffer, you could be a rapist
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Retro_
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It says"this is what a rapist looks like" over the mirror. I don't think it's pointing fingers, it's just saying that rapists look like regular every day guys
Like I said I think the execution missed the mark so hard that the message is almost lost in it, but I don't think the idea behind it is that bad.
I feel the "exclusion of women" is really being overblown in this thread. Rape is a complicated subject that comes in many forms and it's hard to convey everything in a 7 minute video.
There's plenty of things to criticize about this video, but I don't think equating the absence of female specific pronouns to them saying ONLY MEN CAN COMMIT RAPE is really accurate or valid. Their "experiment" was about a male raping a female in a bathroom and seeing who would help, so it seems silly to criticize them for narrowing their focus to that scenario.
Rapists aren't just the pale quiet guys eating lunch by themselves like on TV.
User 100115
Banned
What a shitty way to spread the message.
Almost makes me wonder if he was intentionally trying to sabatoge it.
Now everytime anyone talks about rape culture, assholes are going to point at this video and accuse you of being sexist. Awesome.
Almost makes me wonder if he was intentionally trying to sabatoge it.
Now everytime anyone talks about rape culture, assholes are going to point at this video and accuse you of being sexist. Awesome.
plasmawave
Banned
This is not the rapist you are looking for.
Whoa, they're only calling you a POTENTIAL rapist, chill out, don't go all Men's Rights Activist on us.
ItsThatAsianBoy said:
I just had a discussion about this in another thread a few days ago.
Talking about people willing to take a stand when they know something wrong is happening.
Someone tried to argue with me saying that sometimes it's "smarter" to just keep your head down because you could be hurt or killed if you try to get involved.
I was too disgusted to respond but yea, walking away from someone getting raped is what happens when you think like that.
terrisus
Member
I'm not the one who specifically excluded females from the list.
Hydranockz
Member
Not pointing fingers? It was in a men's room.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
This is probably coming from the fact that most people who commit crimes against children look like anyone on the street. They don't look like a pervert. They're cunning, intelligent, and they are most of the time someone close to you.
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Transhuman
Unconfirmed Member
It's like the Saw franchise, except they've replaced all the gore with inappropriateness.
The Albatross
Member
Kind of serious question because I don't know. If you're in a long term relationship with someone, and you get drunk and have sex, is that considered rape? Like completely consensual but you're both over 0.08 bac.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Ugh really not a good way to spread the concept that I think they're trying to get at
Was anyone thinking that though? I wasn't.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
Member
It was immediately clear that was the point. It was just achieved in the worst way possible.
Saintguine
Member
How is he acting like a "Men's Rights Activist"? You do know that most people don't like to be called horrible things like a rapist, pedophile and murderer? Maybe you should get out more often but calling people any of those would piss them fucking off.
Yes, people have the potential to be criminals but just because they have the potential doesn't mean they will commit those crimes. If you're a juror and you send someone off to prison or the chair because they have the potential to be a rapist, pedophile and murderer you're doing it wrong.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
Member
Everything is going over your head, man.
Saintguine
Member
So regular guys get one dose of "potential-rapist-paranoia", and pale quiet guys eating lunch by themselves get double dose.
Got it.
Paper Sparrow
Member
They want to say anyone could be a rapist but then don't mention the demographic that the general populace wouldn't think of being rapists?
I agree it's a good message but seriously mishandled. They probably didn't intend it to be that way.
User 100115
Banned
I believe it was sarcasm.
So much this.
So many people believe that the only rapists are the masked back alley kind. But the truth is that the vast majority of rapes are committed by someone the victim knows and trusts. A family member, a friend, a spouse, a person with authority over them...getting that message out to people would be awesome, and might help change the way people think about rape.
....this wasn't a great way to go about it.
The worst part is, he's going to use that quote someday, as an example of something he heard a crazy feminist say.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Lets get real about the numbers: somewhere between 20-25% of women will experience rape or some form of physical sexual assault in their lifetime. It is a common experience. That's fucked up, and that dictates how things have to be considered unfortunately.
Saintguine
Member
Well okay, I overreacted badly and I apologize for that but there's plenty of serious comments like that sarcastic comment here in this thread and on the Internet. And there wasn't much indication of sarcasm (see: Poe's law), much like how a comment like "kill all fags looool" could be taken as a sarcastic attack on religious extremists or legitimate homophobia.
Anyways my point still stands, people don't like being called or implied to be horrible things.
Psychoward
Banned
Yeah... so gonna need to ask for a source on that one.
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Retro_
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People don't advocate causes to make you feel good about yourself for not contributing to problems...
I agree. It doesn't really draw any conclusions on how to help the problem, or even really clearly identifies it.
Just kinda says RAPISTS ARE ALL AROUND US, drops the mic then walks off
Nobody is understanding the video. It isn't "feminazi misandrist bullshit". This is a video put out by some sort of Men's Rights Organization, making the ridiculous claim that, if you see somebody being assaulted, you should do nothing. The makers of this video are pushing some kind of MRA agenda, saying that "feminists can accuse any man of rape".
The (bullshit) message of the video is that even if he's innocent, a man could be accused of rape. An innocent man of any profession could be accused of raping a woman, if he's in the wrong place at the wrong time. This video is intended to deligitimize feminism and paint it as a movement that is inherently anti-male.
The (bullshit) message of the video is that even if he's innocent, a man could be accused of rape. An innocent man of any profession could be accused of raping a woman, if he's in the wrong place at the wrong time. This video is intended to deligitimize feminism and paint it as a movement that is inherently anti-male.
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Transhuman
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Whether it's a good message or not, the "experiment" is a colossally fucked up idea. Crying wolf on rape is fucked up (or any violent crime really).
terrisus
Member
Not that it excuses it or saying it makes it right, but:
"One in three women around with world will be raped, beaten, coerced into sex or otherwise abused in her lifetime."
2 of those 4 things are not necessarily rape.
That's not how statistics work. E.g. fifty percent of the population is female erego fifty percent of GAF is female by extrapolation. I doubt it.
Also as an aside rape convictions are notoriously low anyway.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
http://nsvrc.org/sites/default/file...a-packet_statistics-about-sexual-violence.pdf
http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/sv-datasheet-a.pdf
http://www.statisticbrain.com/rape-statistics/
Etc, etc. There's some variance in the numbers, but it usually is around 20%. And that's the number that are reported or admitted to, and its a known problem that a lot of victims don't report it
GungHo
Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
No, that's a different point. You've walked from "someone here is a guaranteed rapist" to "someone here could potentially be a rapist", all fueled by a misunderstanding of statistics and how to apply them to a subset of a population. It further ignores the point that the guy is trying to make, even though it was made in one of the more asinine ways possible... that a rapist looks like anybody. He's not saying that each person is whatever percent likely to become a rapist, unless he's made the same mistake you have made.
User 100115
Banned
In the US I believe the number is more like one in six women will be raped in her lifetime, but that's still terrifying.
I can promise you there are at least 10 active posters in the OT that have been raped, male and female.
Thinking about that and how many people just don't talk about it, I imagine the number of victims we have on the forums here is much greater.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
Member
Oooooh. I think you nailed it.
Psychoward
Banned
Doesn't specify that it's sexual assault or rape. Sure, regardless it's still awful, just one of my pet peeves when people bring up statistics out of thin air.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
Necromanti
Member
The main thing that bothered me about that video was how if felt like it was cheapening something as traumatic as rape. It also furthers the view that rape needs to be violent; it's the rape by someone one knows, or an acquaintance--whether it is through coercion, exploitation, humiliation, victim blaming, or by any other means--that is a lot more prevalent, and tends to be--by both the victim and the perpetrator--either justified or believed as not being "rape-rape".
I don't get the feeling that it was deliberately trying to exclude the fact that the gender of either the victim or the assaulter, though, but that is probably due to its sloppy approach to begin with.
I don't get the feeling that it was deliberately trying to exclude the fact that the gender of either the victim or the assaulter, though, but that is probably due to its sloppy approach to begin with.
not psycho
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There is a difference in meaning between "anyone is capable of rape" vs "a rapist could be anyone".
There are statistics that 3% of college men commit more than 90% of rapes in college (already having committed 6 each on average) while 3-7% overall have or would consider committing rape.
There is an argument (not necessarily correct, but an argument) that "anyone is capable of rape", or at least "a high percentage are capable of rape", but that argument gets into conditions of war and anarchy, and does not seem to be what they are going for here.
What they are probably going for is "a rapist could be anyone", but they failed to make that point, and even hurt their own point, by making it seem like they were saying the other one. They could also have done this intentionally to hurt the cause, if they don't actually support it.
There are statistics that 3% of college men commit more than 90% of rapes in college (already having committed 6 each on average) while 3-7% overall have or would consider committing rape.
There is an argument (not necessarily correct, but an argument) that "anyone is capable of rape", or at least "a high percentage are capable of rape", but that argument gets into conditions of war and anarchy, and does not seem to be what they are going for here.
What they are probably going for is "a rapist could be anyone", but they failed to make that point, and even hurt their own point, by making it seem like they were saying the other one. They could also have done this intentionally to hurt the cause, if they don't actually support it.
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Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
You're totally right dude
The numbers are totally being inflated. It's really not that big of a problem.
Don't you worry you'll be able to get a good night's sleep tonight
I don't understand how 20-25% of women experiencing some form of physical sexual assault dictates the necessity of every male being portrayed as a potential rapist.
Hydranockz
Member
I'd say it's still pretty inappropriate.
Tesseract
Banned
rape mode disengaged
It's no accident that the video diminishes rape. The video is not about victims or intended for victims. It's meant to further an MRA agenda, that evil feminists can accuse men for rape whenever they want.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Protect yourselves out there guys! It's not safe!
Psychoward
Banned
We can still address the fact that it's a serious problem without resorting to vaguely-worded statistics.
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