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[Mael]

So not learning how to read an extremely complicated language for 1 game or buying a (minimum) 200+ console for 1 game is a BS reason?

JRPGs aren't so arcane that they can't be completed in Japanese,
been there done that before.
If it's not Dragon Quest it can be done even without knowledge of the language.
It's not even that hard.
Tales of can't possibly be harder than your run of the mill FF.

 

[Sami+]

This is not what I said at all.
What I am saying is that sometimes denying yourself a console even if you are a fan of certain series that exclusively comes to it MIGHT not be a rational choice, no matter how it is rationalized inside your head. I think I wrote it out pretty lengthily.

To put it in the context of the RPG's: It is as if you say hm, okay that Xenoblade 2 comes to Wii U, but you cant afford to buy a Wii U cause you already bought a PS4/Xbox One. For what will those consoles offer in terms of your preferences?

I understand that it is usually that people are fan of multiple things, and that those things compete for your time and money, but I do not think it is irrational to buy a Wii U "just for one game". If it were a 499 console, or even more expensive, yes, that position would be more rational to me. At this price point, however, and the barren landscape of the hack'n'slash genre, I just do not see the alternative.

Again: if you are a "fan" of hack'n'slash genre and Bayonetta, but playing COD:AW and AC:Unity on your new PS4/Xbox One is a bigger priority for you now, then yeah, I would reconsider if you could describe yourself *mainly* as a Bayonetta-fan

Well, we do have Scalebound, Korra, and Kingdom Hearts 3 already announced and confirmed for XB1/PS4 for character action stuff, but I see what you're saying.

What I'm saying though is that while I would follow Hidetaka Miyazaki to any console, I'm not going to accuse anyone who doesn't of "not being a true fan".

Rent it and give it a shot. Famitsu gave it a perfect score. Have you never tried playing a game or series before you had no interest in?

I don't like Bayonetta's style at all, and Platinum has always been extremely hit or miss for me. Plus I haven't trusted Famitsu in years.

I'm not trying to be needlessly stubborn or argumentative, I just find the hyperbole surrounding the game irritating. "Buy Bayonetta 2 if you love games that are games, even if you don't have a Wii U." Right.

 

[antitrop]

When you have gameplay as good as Bayonetta, who needs a good story?

Exactly. It was my GOTY 2009 and I skipped the cutscenes.

When I replayed the game again last year, I tried to watch the cutscenes, but still couldn't. The most boring cutscenes in the entire world.

 

[SmokedMeat]

I thought they were actually making a bigger push for IP ownership recently.

It's cute that people are still port begging Bayo 2. In the same way that it's cute when a dog barks at its own reflection. Because it's dumb.

What made you think that? If anything it's been the opposite. The reason they have Sunset Overdrive is because they were allowing Insomniac to keep the ip. They also weren't after the Titanfall ip, and of course they don't own Dead Rising.

As for Bayo 2 being ported over, people need to give up. It's never going to happen. Either buy the Wii U to play the game or play one of Platinum's other games.

 

[RMI]

Fuck no it didn't. Sold more than Vanquish, though.

This makes me sad. Both games are masterpieces.

 

[Sami+]

JRPGs aren't so arcane that they can't be completed in Japanese,
been there done that before.
If it's not Dragon Quest it can be done even without knowledge of the language.
It's not even that hard.
Tales of can't possibly be harder than your run of the mill FF.

It's a genre that has differentiated itself from others with its focus on storytelling for decades now. Playing with a language barrier means you're missing out on one of the core parts of the experience.

 

[akidnamededdy]

What made you thinkI wathat? If anything it's been the opposite. The reason they have Sunset Overdrive is because they were allowing Insomniac to keep the ip. They also weren't after the Titanfall ip, and of course they don't own Dead Rising.

As for Bayo 2 being ported over, people need to give up. It's never going to happen. Either buy the Wii U to play the game or play one of Platinum's other games.

This would have been a very recent development...I want to say it was mentioned in a topic here within the last three days or so, but I can't recall which one...whomp.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

It's kind of fitting that multiple publishers turned down the game as I am going to have multiple orgasms when playing it.

 

[anotherVegan]

As I have said earlier, if you want Bayonetta 2 on PS4 or Xbox One, how about trying to ask Nintendo… If Nintendo doesn’t say yes, it’s not going to happen… While you’re at it, try asking for Mario and Zelda too…

Classic.

 

[V_Arnold]

Going by your post you seem to heavily imply that you can only really be a fan of 1 genre or if you ever play 1 genre more than another you care about it more?

I rarely play horror games now a days but I am in love with the genre and when I do find myself playing a good horror game it has a lasting impact on me more than other genres. That said I'd probably buy a console that has a much more healthier and diverse line-up rather than 1 console that has an extremely limited pool.

I consider myself fan of many things. Luckily, the compliment each other. I am a fan of the loot arpg's (PoE, Marvel Heroes, D3), and recently, LoL too. Previously, it was SCII and WoW. So mainly PC. I bought Xbox 360 when it had a critical mass of japanese games (=DMC4, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, and an SFIV being announced too). I am buying Wii U next month for Bayonetta 2 and the many Nintendo games I will love playing on them ( had a chance to play Mario Kart 8 recently...I was not disappointed ...and do not get me started on DKCR2).

But mainly I considered Bayonetta amongst my favorites in the previous generation, alongside SFIV, UMVC3 and Dark Souls. If an SFV gets announced, and it wont come to WiiU, that is when I begin feeling sad about deciding to go with Wii U first, not a moment sooner. But I would suspect the game wont release till early 2016, if not later.

 

[Death Metalist]

Really? So publishers care about reviews and not sales now? Uhh OK.

They care about both. Sales moreso than reviews but great reviews always guarantee many interests as well as sales, just look at Shadow of Mordor for a recent example, many people are getting it just because of dem reviews. This I feel won't sell well though because it is on WiiU which is fucking sad but what to do, It may have had a chance to sell well if it was available on other consoles especially now that time has passed by and of course way more people played the first game by now than when it was first released.

Besides, Platinum Games by now as a name is much bigger then it once was when Bayonetta released. Since then they made Vanquish, Metal Gear Rising, Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2 and Legend of Korra with Scalebound on the way in the next year or two. I just hope as much people as possible buy it, then again, publishers should have realistic expectations of a title as well, this isn't an FPS and just now it became an established series/IP. I'm sure Nintendo is aware of that. I just hope it sells well so that a point is made.

 

[GayForMaster]

I'm glad they didn't resort to Kickstarter. Based Nintendo.

 

[Koren]

I agree with many, I'm happy that Nintendo allowed them to finish the game...

Valkyria Chronicles...

Dam, if someone wants to publish a new Valkyria (any platform), I couldn't be more happy. Would be an instant-kickstarter, too, even far above $100 if needed. That's a waste.

Still, Sega's motto could have been "wasting licenses since 1951". Granted, maybe not 1951, but at least since they went third-party, and probably before that.

 

[Orniletter]

They probably saw how terrible the story was?

Bayonetta´s story is perfect for what it tries to accomplish. It is a silly and entertaining backdrop, absolutely self-aware,tongue in cheek and has fun with itself.

It shits from the highest pedestal over the try-hard-wanna-be emotional/epic dreck in David Cage-games and Destiny.

 

[Projectjustice]

Well, we do have Scalebound, Korra, and Kingdom Hearts 3 already announced and confirmed for XB1/PS4 for character action stuff, but I see what you're saying.

What I'm saying though is that while I would follow Hidetaka Miyazaki to any console, I'm not going to accuse anyone who doesn't of "not being a true fan".



I don't like Bayonetta's style at all, and Platinum has always been extremely hit or miss for me. Plus I haven't trusted Famitsu in years.

I'm not trying to be needlessly stubborn or argumentative, I just find the hyperbole surrounding the game irritating. "Buy Bayonetta 2 if you love games that are games, even if you don't have a Wii U." Right.

But it's not. You can wait for other reviews which will be coming. If they gave it a good reviews will you try it then?

I remember my brother raving over Demon souls back in the days. Which I never played or had an interest to play. He told me to give Dark Souls a shot. I saw all the rave reviews, all the positive impressions all over the Internet. So I decided to jump in. Now I'm now even a bigger fan than my brother. He doesn't bother with the PVP portion of the series. All I'm saying it doesn't hurt to try.

 

[ninjablade]

So not learning how to read an extremely complicated language for 1 game or buying a (minimum) 200+ console for 1 game is a BS reason?

wait for bayonetta 2 to be in the bargain bin which will be in a few months, buy a refurbished wiiu, play the game till your bored of it, sell your wiiu on Craigslist.

 

[Mael]

It's a genre that has differentiated itself from others with its focus on storytelling for decades now. Playing with a language barrier means you're missing out on one of the core parts of the experience.

Yeah let's not act like storytelling is anything special in these games.
Seriously Tales of is not even on the level of your worst Naruto chapter so yeah...
Gameplay is really where it's at.
If you want to play all Tales games, they're not all localized anyway so it's not like there's any other way than the one way we used in the 90's.
Not being able to have everything doesn't make you a bad person, harassing the makers with BS questions all the time does though.

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

And it still won't sell. Probably not....
Do I dare hope?

 

[Mael]

I agree with many, I'm happy that Nintendo allowed them to finish the game...

Dam, if someone wants to publish a new Valkyria (any platform), I couldn't be more happy. Would be an instant-kickstarter, too, even far above $100 if needed. That's a waste.

Still, Sega's motto could have been "wasting licenses since 1951". Granted, maybe not 1951, but at least since they went third-party, and probably before that.

Wasn't there people shitting on Sega for pushing Valkyria's sequels on psp?

 

[Lernaean]

Almost as many Wii U owners who will be buying Bayonetta 2.

Or taste in some posts.

 

[Sami+]

Yeah let's not act like storytelling is anything special in these games.
Seriously Tales of is not even on the level of your worst Naruto chapter so yeah...
Gameplay is really where it's at.
If you want to play all Tales games, they're not all localized anyway so it's not like there's any other way than the one way we used in the 90's.
Not being able to have everything doesn't make you a bad person, harassing the makers with BS questions all the time does though.

I know plenty of people who like the stories, so I can't agree with your assertion there.

Harassing the developers makes you an asshole, but not having so much expendable cash that you can fork over hundreds of dollars to play the newest installment in the series doesn't make you any less of a fan than the people who did.

 

[wildfire]

Totally forgot I made a GIF about the overall topic half a year ago already:

Nice touch with the newspaper.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

Hmm, I'd have thought MS or Sony would jump at the opportunity, but I guess not.

Good on Nintendo for saving the game though.

The way the game is selling in Japan you can see why they didn't. They knew it was a niche title and wouldn't do amazing sales-wise.

Good on Ninty for getting it made, I wonder if they'll make their money back though.

 

[King Gilga]

I'm happy for them that they got to make the game, even if it means I'll probably never get to play it even though I adored bayo 1.

 

[-Horizon-]

Spoiler

Not

Surprised he had to comment on this again.

 

[akidnamededdy]

I'm happy for them that they got to make the game, even if it means I'll probably never get to play it.

Are you allergic to Nintendium or something?

 

[PhineBuyM3]

I understand, but I don't think Kamiya understands the anger of people not wanting to budge on a new system for the sequel. It isn't just because it's on WiiU and they want P4/X1 versions arbitrarily; the latter is a longer term investment, the other is not for those who don't care for Nintendo's IPs.

 

[Mael]

I know plenty of people who like the stories, so I can't agree with your assertion there.

And there's people who like stories of Naruto or Bleach, that still doesn't make them good by any metric.

Harassing the developers makes you an asshole, but not having so much expendable cash that you can fork over hundreds of dollars to play the newest installment in the series doesn't make you any less of a fan than the people who did.

At the very least it makes you a poorer fan than the ones willing to spend more.
Mario Kart is enough to make people buy a WiiU for.
If you can't justify getting the follow up to something you're a fan of, well you're not that much of a fan that you're willing to support the franchise you love.
Everything has a price and the price of fandom of bayonetta is apparently less than the price of a WiiU.

 

[Peltz]

Nintendo really has always had gamers' backs. It's a shame they're struggling this generation. I've been as enthusiastic about their output/lineup these days as I ever have.

It's still weird to me that their emphasis on fun doesn't resonate with most gamers these days. I don't even know how you can live without Nintendo's lineup of games. People say they cater to a casual audience, but I really think they cater almost exclusively to the hardcore.

People talk about Nintendo as if their games are waggle-based shit-fests, but I don't know a single Nintendo game that doesn't scale well for skilled gamers, other than perhaps Mario Party.

When they fund stuff like Bayonetta 2, people should be celebrating that as a win for everyone, instead of languishing it.

 

[Maxim726X]

Yeah... And it's not selling.

So apparently there was good reason to have the game turned down my multiple publishers.

Don't get me wrong- Bayonetta is in the Holy Trinity of action games and the sequel looks fantastic, but it's not selling. Bottom line.

 

[TheBlueBomber]

I bought a Wiiu before bayo got announced even, this just solidifies that i kept the system this whole time, pre ordering it next chance i get, good on Nintendo for funding this

 

[ArtHands]

Why did this even need to be discussed again? Are people too stupid to understand this game flat out wouldn't exist without Nintendo?

What is there to discuss?

There are still a LOT of people port-begging the game to get released on the non-Nintendo consoles.

 

[Exile20]

I'm happy for them that they got to make the game, even if it means I'll probably never get to play it even though I adored bayo 1.

There are some of the best games from 2013 and 2014 on the Wii U. You can play those also.

 

[Sami+]

But it's not. You can wait for other reviews which will be coming. If they gave it a good reviews will you try it then?

I remember my brother raving over Demon souls back in the days. Which I never played or had an interest to play. He told me to give Dark Souls a shot. I saw all the rave reviews, all the positive impressions all over the Internet. So I decided to jump in. Now I'm now even a bigger fan than my brother. He doesn't bother with the PVP portion of the series. All I'm saying it doesn't hurt to try.

I really appreciate the recommendation and I want you to know that I mean no disrespect, but I really, really have no interest. There are certain aspects of it that I like, and others that turn me off from the game completely. It seriously just doesn't gel with me. I'm aware that Bayonetta is a great game but I find the art design unappealing and the humor obnoxious, it's really just not for me, dude.

And come on, man, it absolutely is. I genuinely believe that Bloodborne is going to be my favorite game of all time (Demon's Souls already is, Dark Souls is a very close second), but you and I both know that if I went around telling Wii U only owners "if you love games that are games in this day and age of day one DLC and games that are movies you should buy Bloodborne" I'd be talking out of my ass.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Can they re-skin the game and release it under a different name? Isn't that what made Ninja Gaiden 2 possible on PS3?

Depends on how far the deal with Nintendo goes.

Could probably happen, but the chance of this happening is pretty much negative at this point.

 

[Mael]

I really appreciate the recommendation and I want you to know that I mean no disrespect, but I really, really have no interest. There are certain aspects of it that I like, and others that turn me off from the game completely. It seriously just doesn't gel with me. I'm aware that Bayonetta is a great game but I find the art design unappealing and the humor obnoxious, it's really just not for me, dude.

And come on, man, it absolutely is. I genuinely believe that Bloodborne is going to be my favorite game of all time (Demon's Souls already is, Dark Souls is a very close second), but you and I both know that if I went around telling Wii U only owners "if you love games that are games in this day and age of day one DLC and games that are movies you should buy Bloodborne" I'd be talking out of my ass.

Well yeah, they don't have that kind of games on WiiU.
I mean the most DLC heavy on WiiU is fucking Mario Kart 8!
If they wanted the cinematic heavy with DLC up the ass they wouldn't be getting a WiiU.

 

[spookyfish]

Considering Sega owns the actual IP, I wouldn't be surprised if part of the agreement was that ownership of Bayo 2 in particular would change hands to Sega once Nintendo recoups its investment (or its investment + a certain percent of profit). That being said, even assuming it's the case, the likelihood of either milestone being reached is looking quite grim, so the point is moot in practice.

Don't stop ... believin' ...

Spoiler

That's sarcasm, BTW, and the first time I've heard that one.

 

[Past]

Yeah... And it's not selling.

So apparently there was good reason to have the game turned down my multiple publishers.

Don't get me wrong- Bayonetta is in the Holy Trinity of action games and the sequel looks fantastic, but it's not selling. Bottom line.

The first one sold 1.5 million. It sold more than every Platinum games combined that was published by Sega. Sega just had unrealistic high expectation for the game, they were expecting to be as big as the DMC series.

 

[KingSnake]

I understand, but I don't think Kamiya understands the anger of people not wanting to budge on a new system for the sequel. It isn't just because it's on WiiU and they want P4/X1 versions arbitrarily; the latter is a longer term investment, the other is not for those who don't care for Nintendo's IPs.

A console is never an investment.

Yeah... And it's not selling.

So apparently there was good reason to have the game turned down my multiple publishers.

Don't get me wrong- Bayonetta is in the Holy Trinity of action games and the sequel looks fantastic, but it's not selling. Bottom line.

Yes, and? Bottom line for what?

Kamiya understands perfectly fine. Bayonetta fans don't understand the concept of futility.

Please don't call them Bayonetta fans.

 

[kick51]

I understand, but I don't think Kamiya understands the anger of people not wanting to budge on a new system for the sequel. It isn't just because it's on WiiU and they want P4/X1 versions arbitrarily; the latter is a longer term investment, the other is not for those who don't care for Nintendo's IPs.

Kamiya understands perfectly fine. Bayonetta fans don't understand the concept of futility.

 

[ScionOfTheRisingSun]

Bayonetta´s story is perfect for what it tries to accomplish. It is a silly and entertaining backdrop, absolutely self-aware,tongue in cheek and has fun with itself.

It shits from the highest pedestal over the try-hard-wanna-be emotional/epic dreck in David Cage-games and Destiny.

Hear, hear!

 

[Skilletor]

Yeah... And it's not selling.

So apparently there was good reason to have the game turned down my multiple publishers.

Don't get me wrong- Bayonetta is in the Holy Trinity of action games and the sequel looks fantastic, but it's not selling. Bottom line.

Who cares? Bayonetta 2 exists. People can play it.

The alternative is no Bayonetta 2. This is one more Bayonetta game than anybody would be able to play.

 

[Lernaean]

Kamiya understands perfectly fine. Bayonetta fans don't understand the concept of futility.

Bayonetta fans have the game on preorder, rest assured.

 

[mrhej]

Did he really have to say this again? At this point doesn't everyone understand or are people refusing to believe this will remain exclusive to Wii U?

 

[Skilletor]

Did he really have to say this again? At this point doesn't everyone understand or are people refusing to believe this will remain exclusive to Wii U?

You should read some of the posts in this thread, lol.

 

[SmokedMeat]

This would have been a very recent development...I want to say it was mentioned in a topic here within the last three days or so, but I can't recall which one...whomp.

No, not really. I can't think of any situation where they demanded ip ownership. Even going back last gen they didn't own Blue Dragon, Mass Effect, or Ninja Gaiden. I think you have the wrong impression of them.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

A console is never an investment.

If it was, then picking up a (now discontinued) WiiU basic and a copy of Bayonetta 1+2 day one edition is more likely to become a future collectible than a PS4 Destiny bundle with a copy of FIFA or whatever.

 

[Sami+]

And there's people who like stories of Naruto or Bleach, that still doesn't make them good by any metric.

Okay? What's your point?

You're trying to say people don't buy Tales games for the stories, I say I know people that do, and your counterargument is that they just have bad taste?

Beyond being rude I don't understand what relevance that claim could possibly have with this discussion.

At the very least it makes you a poorer fan than the ones willing to spend more.
Mario Kart is enough to make people buy a WiiU for.
If you can't justify getting the follow up to something you're a fan of, well you're not that much of a fan that you're willing to support the franchise you love.
Everything has a price and the price of fandom of bayonetta is apparently less than the price of a WiiU.

Understandably so, because it's one game and $250 is a high price.

 

[kick51]

Did he really have to say this again? At this point doesn't everyone understand or are people refusing to believe this will remain exclusive to Wii U?

at this point, a couple of weird people are just flipping out when a random straggler makes a troll comment about it being on other systems.

 

[Peltz]

Yeah... And it's not selling.

So apparently there was good reason to have the game turned down my multiple publishers.

Don't get me wrong- Bayonetta is in the Holy Trinity of action games and the sequel looks fantastic, but it's not selling. Bottom line.

Not every game funded by a first party publisher needs to sell well to be honest. They need a balanced portfolio that appeals to their hardcore audience. And often times, that could be enough.

Getting the console into the hands of more hardcore gamers will translate into more sales of other software to them, and further hardware sales to their friends.

It's possible for niche, middle market games to exist. However... it'd be nice to see healthy sales in the west for Bayonetta 2.

Plus, who knows what this game costs to make? Atlus games don't sell like gangbusters, but their budgets are low enough for that to be okay.