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[ninjablade]

No reason arguing about the mass appeal thing but bayonetta 1 did have the inherent handicap of a terrible port on one of the consoles it was released on. It had more potential. You are right about the low cost risk but even so, this was late 2012. Nintendo made decisions with the mindset that the console would have taken off sorely by heavy hitters such as Mario 3D, Donkey Kong and Mario Kart. It didn't.

Concerning Scalebound; MS is also good at strutting their stuff. How can one reason with Nintendo's complete lack of promotion of Bayonetta 2 ?

I understand what your saying but had bayonetta 2 had a different art style/character, i can almost guarantee you we would seeing a sequel on ps3/360.

this is the last thing you would expect from an action genre character, stripper clothing in high heels, with guns that look like toys. at the very least give her realistic looking guns.

 

[Skilletor]

Unfortunately this time you used a Nickelodeon show tie in.

Korra is a critically acclaimed show. The entire Avatar series is heralded as some of the best animated television ever. And, in my opinion, one of the best shows ever.

Spoiler

Except for the first half of Korra S2

 

[StevieP]

I understand what your saying but had bayonetta 2 had a different art style/character, i can almost guarantee you we would seeing a sequel on ps3/360.

this is the last thing you would expect from an action genre character, stripper clothing in high heels, with guns that look like toys. at the very least give her realistic looking guns.

NO. Nobody wanted to fund it!!

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

this is the last thing you would expect from an action genre character, stripper clothing in high heels, with guns that look like toys. at the very least give her realistic looking guns.

 

[Projectjustice]

Absolutely insane how people are still so incredibly bitter about this.

Which I don't understand. I'm a huge fan of the Dark Souls series and I'm not crying that Bloodborne is exclusive to PS4 when I never wanted one. What I am to do? I'm gonna buy a PS4.

 

[ninjablade]

NO. Nobody wanted to fund it!!

i was talking about the first game. replacing character, art style, and enemy design.

 

[Lernaean]

I honestly think many of you need to take a step back, the shrieking has hit fever pitch over this, which is acting as a sort of avatar for the Wii U's misfortunes in general.

I'm glad Wii U-owning fans get a Bayo 2. But the general public wrote it off, clearly, as have the publishers. You can't wave away the sad fact of it by screaming 'port begging' at every passer-by who stops to look at the accident scene. Honestly, the tone is crazy in here. I don't even like Bayonetta (feel free to plumb my post history) but what has happened here is kind of fascinating as it's almost unprecedented. I just assume Nintendo took a risk and paid Platinum enough to make it worth their while either way, which I DO approve of Nintendo doing – they should do more, and y'know, develop, like a whole 3rd party thing!

You gotta take a page from the Vita bretheren, accept your fate and enjoy the system, there's simply no need to get all fucking worked up into a lather over how others perceive the system.

(I don't even understand the whole Korra thing)

You know, you make some valid points, and some i can't agree with, but it's ok.
But i have this thing stuck on my head, and i have to ask you.
Why are you here?
Are you here as a passer-by who just stopped to take a look at the accident scene? And if yes, does it make you feel better? Because obviously as you said you don't care about Bayonetta.

2 years and some days ago, Bayonetta 2 was announced for WiiU. It doesn't matter if it was a good deal for Nintendo or if it looked like a good idea back then. What does matter is that from that day on, the gaming side of the internet showed it's worst face, and this trend continues to this very day.
Considering that a lot of 'WiiU owners' as you call them, do not only game on Nintendo platforms, and especially those that are willing to buy and enjoy Bayonetta 2 are gaming on multiple platforms surely, the only thing you can't call them is brand loyalists, unlike those that won't stop screaming on the internet about how much better it would be if B2 was on another console.

What i want to tell you is, the following:
1) Don't worry about us, we enjoy our WiiUs just fine. And our PS4s and those Vitas and our PCs and everything.
2) Find the direction the screaming is coming from, because you got it mixed up.
3) Don't stop to peek at accident scenes. My therapist is ensuring me it's not healthy.
4) If nothing of the above works, then just wait for 12 days. The moment TEW is released and for a long while after, with Bayo 2, Korra, Sunset Overdrive etc, you will be rid of our presence as the most boring months of the year will end and we'll get to play some real games.

 

[ninjablade]

that was never the main character in ninja gaiden, if it was the game would have bombed.

 

[NumberThree]

Nope. I didn't call the people who are happy the game exists, selfish. I merely disagreed with them. Selfish was for the 7 people who posted how it was good enough that they and they alone would play the game.

No one posted that. We posted that we get to play the game when you literally said no one gets to play it. You'd also get to play the game if you wanted. Anyone who wants and can afford a single current gen game console gets to play the game.

 

[Mael]

that was never the main character in ninja gaiden, if it was the game would have bombed.

Like the Dead or Alive games?

 

[DigitalDevilSummoner]

What does matter is that from that day on, the gaming side of the internet showed it's worst face, and this trend continues to this very day.

Worst face because we knew Nintendo had solidified its position as the family friendly platform and an explicit game like Bayonetta would be sent to die ? Or worst face because we knew Nintendo wouldn't do shit to promote the game ?

 

[Herb Alpert]

i was talking about the first game. replacing character, art style, and enemy design.

so if Bayonetta had been an other game, its sequel would have been funded...
Mmmm. I think you're unto something here...

 

[V_Arnold]

And now I get to read Ninjablade comments demanding realistic loooking guns for Bayonetta 2.

All that while wearing an avatar of an all-black clothes ninja, totally devoid of any style.
Awesome. Exactly what I want in my games! (Not.)

so if Bayonetta had been an other game, its sequel would have been funded...
Mmmm. I think you're unto something here...

It is quite clinical at this point. I cant fathom the extent of the damage Bayonetta's existence is doing to his mind right now.

 

[Nimby]

No one posted that. We posted that we get to play the game when you literally said no one gets to play it. You'd also get to play the game if you wanted.

Are people here really still arguing about this? COME ON

 

[vazel]

Like the Dead or Alive games?

I like its VF-inspired fighting mechanics. Yea... that's why I like the DoA series... sure...

 

[KingSnake]

Worst face because we knew Nintendo had solidified its position as the family friendly platform and an explicit game like Bayonetta would be sent to die ? Or worst face because we knew Nintendo wouldn't do shit to promote the game ?

So now you care about Bayonetta?

 

[Astral Dog]

I understand what your saying but had bayonetta 2 had a different art style/character, i can almost guarantee you we would seeing a sequel on ps3/360.

this is the last thing you would expect from an action genre character, stripper clothing in high heels, with guns that look like toys. at the very least give her realistic looking guns.

What? the fucking guns,really? and Bayonetta is awesome as it is.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

I understand what your saying but had bayonetta 2 had a different art style/character, i can almost guarantee you we would seeing a sequel on ps3/360.

this is the last thing you would expect from an action genre character, stripper clothing in high heels, with guns that look like toys. at the very least give her realistic looking guns.

But this is what makes bayonetta bayonetta. Jesus christ what kind of post is this. Making absolutely 0 sense.

 

[NumberThree]

So now we've gone to arguing that a game released in 2009 should've had a different art style so its sequel released in 2014 wouldn't be Wii U exclusive. My god.

I would think you guys would have learned not to engage those two by now.

At least it gets work stuff out of my mind for the evening

 

[InfiniteNine]

I would think you guys would have learned not to engage those two by now.

 

[TheSpaceBetween]

Worst face because we knew Nintendo had solidified its position as the family friendly platform and an explicit game like Bayonetta would be sent to die ? Or worst face because we knew Nintendo wouldn't do shit to promote the game ?

Worst face because annoying posters like you do nothing but shit up threads constantly.

 

[ninjablade]

Like the Dead or Alive games?

that's a fighting, There are tons of characters to choose from male/female, and females were much better designed then bayonetta, most of them don't have high heels, with toy guns, and they don't have attacks which makes them naked.

 

[abadguy]

I understand what your saying but had bayonetta 2 had a different art style/character, i can almost guarantee you we would seeing a sequel on ps3/360.

this is the last thing you would expect from an action genre character, stripper clothing in high heels, with guns that look like toys. at the very least give her realistic looking guns.

Why does everything for today's gamer need to be super realistic? Her guns look fine.( and in the beginning of the game she uses boring realistic guns before switching to the cool looking ones) Remember when it was about what looked cool, not what was "lol realistic"? I love Bayonetta's design, funny watching people have an issue with Bayonetta's look when characters like Kratos run around in a damned loin cloth and its a ok.

 

[Lernaean]

Worst face because we knew Nintendo had solidified its position as the family friendly platform and an explicit game like Bayonetta would be sent to die ? Or worst face because we knew Nintendo wouldn't do shit to promote the game ?

Worst face because they shitposted in every thread and harassed Nintendo accounts calling them thieves and PG key people calling them traitors and telling them to fuck themselves, is that enough for you?

So now you care about Bayonetta?

Concern troll is concerned.

 

[Riki]

So now we've gone to arguing that a game released in 2009 should've had a different art style so its sequel released in 2014 wouldn't be Wii U exclusive. My god.

Port begging. Port begging never changes.

 

[Skilletor]

that's a fighting, There are tons of characters to choose from male/female, and females were much better designed then bayonetta, most of them don't have high heels, with toy guns, and they don't have attacks which makes them naked.

No, just entire outfits. lol

 

[jacobeid]

this is the last thing you would expect from an action genre character, stripper clothing in high heels, with guns that look like toys. at the very least give her realistic looking guns.

Bayonetta opens with you fighting angels on top of a giant clock tower falling from the sky and you're worried about realistic looking guns?

 

[Herb Alpert]

that's a fighting, There are tons of characters to choose from male/female, and females were much better designed then bayonetta, most of them don't have high heels, with toy guns, and they don't have attacks which makes them naked.

Abandon thread!

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

that's a fighting, There are tons of characters to choose from male/female, and females were much better designed then bayonetta, most of them don't have high heels, with toy guns, and they don't have attacks which makes them naked.

Can tell you havent played a doa

 

[Nimby]

that's a fighting, There are tons of characters to choose from male/female, and females were much better designed then bayonetta, most of them don't have high heels, with toy guns, and they don't have attacks which makes them naked.

Yeah, because they're pretty much naked anyway?

 

[Orniletter]

Worse face because we knew Nintendo had solidified its position as the family friendly platform and an explicit game like Bayonetta would be sent to die ? Or worse face because we knew Nintendo wouldn't do shit to promote the game ?

Worse face, because some people acted like ungrateful little shits and refused to give Nintendo credit for LITTERALLY saving Bayonettas head from the Guillotine .

Don't act like this game was destined to sell amazingly on the PS360, it was never supposed to come out.

The question wasn't WiiU vs. PS360

It was WiiU or no Bayonetta 2 at all as has been confirmed time and time again.

 

[ninjablade]

But this is what makes bayonetta bayonetta. Jesus christ what kind of post is this. Making absolutely 0 sense.

people are crying for bayonetta 2 cause the gameplay is so good, making more appealing designs, won't change that, the only outcome would better sales

 

[pinkurocket]

The design is what makes Bayonetta unique and a work of art. Would it have sold better with a dudebro white male main character and no stripping? Who fucking knows, but that would go against everything Bayonetta stands for. What kind of argument is that even? The gameplay goes hand-in-hand with the art in the case of Bayonetta.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

Worst face because they shitposted in every thread and harassed Nintendo accounts calling them thieves and PG key people calling them traitors and telling them to fuck themselves, is that enough for you?

Don't forget all the anti-Semitic slurs, I'd almost say the gaming community was better behaved during the FFXIII betrayalton.

 

[jacobeid]

Don't forget all the anti-Semitic slurs, I'd almost say the gaming community was better behaved during the FFXIII betrayalton.

Link? Though, I'm not sure that I really *want* to read them a day before Kol Nidre.

 

[Skilletor]

people are crying for bayonetta 2 cause the gameplay is so good, making more appealing designs, won't change that, the only outcome would better sales

But I think Bayonetta's design IS appealing. I wouldn't want them to change it.

 

[Mr-Joker]

Worst face because we knew Nintendo had solidified its position as the family friendly platform and an explicit game like Bayonetta would be sent to die ? Or worst face because we knew Nintendo wouldn't do shit to promote the game ?

Did you like miss Nintendo treehouse promoting the game at E3, Comiccon and during the Smash Bros 3DS stream.

Hell they have taken the game to events and continued to promote the game and are promoting the game on their Facebook and twitter page. Oh and they recently had a Nintendo direct just for Bayonetta 2.

So yes Nintendo is actually promoting the game.

 

[abadguy]

that's a fighting, There are tons of characters to choose from male/female, and females were much better designed then bayonetta, most of them don't have high heels, with toy guns, and they don't have attacks which makes them naked.

How dare they put NUDITY in with all my precious violence! The nerve!

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

people are crying for bayonetta 2 cause the gameplay is so good, making more appealing designs, won't change that, the only outcome would better sales

But thats what make the game what it is. Who give a damn? Bayonetta is iconic if you play the game. You cant get over her sassy nature, her stylish fighting style, her gracefulness and vulgarness it what makes her its what makes the game people love it. Maybe you should go play a different game. As far as I know from another thread you said you dont care for bayo so why act like you concerned?

 

[Lernaean]

Ok, i had promised that i'd never put any user on ignore as i respect every comment, even those i'll never agree with, but i've had it.
ninjablade on ignore. His opinions on the internet make my porn searches look as culturally important as a night in the opera experiencing Madama Butterfly starring Maria Callas.
Congratulations.

 

[ninjablade]

The design is what makes Bayonetta unique and a work of art. Would it have sold better with a dudebro white male main character and no stripping? Who fucking knows, but that would go against everything Bayonetta stands for. What kind of argument is that even? The gameplay goes hand-in-hand with the art in the case of Bayonetta.

yea a unique work of art that nobody buys, hell yes it would have sold much better, game getting 90% on metracrtic, being called the best action of last generation, and yet sega cancelled and nobody wants to fund it, publishers clearly see something unappealing that won't sell.

 

[Nimby]

people are crying for bayonetta 2 cause the gameplay is so good, making more appealing designs, won't change that, the only outcome would better sales

I honestly think Kamiya doesn't give a shit about it, he probably does but still. This dude loves making games with his personal aesthetic, I couldn't ask for anything more.

 

[mpgeist]

But I think Bayonetta's design IS appealing. I wouldn't want them to change it.

Her design is what drew me to the game in the first place. I was so sick of dudes in everything when Bayonetta 1 came out. I love the outlandish design.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

Worst face because we knew Nintendo had solidified its position as the family friendly platform and an explicit game like Bayonetta would be sent to die ? Or worst face because we knew Nintendo wouldn't do shit to promote the game ?

Let's pretend that your about face stance and switching of position from bayonetta 2 would be better to not exist to nintendo arent doing enough promotion is a legitimate change of heart and not what the kids today call concern trolling;

- What promotions usually happen a month before release, for your "Well, I haven't seen anything" inevitable comment?
- What promotions are you aware of that were present in Japan? (PROTIP: there is discussion by Japanese GAFfers about Bayonetta 2s Japanese ad campaigns you might want to look at first)
- Would giving away a free copy of the first title to allow for a hypothetical nintendo-only owner the ability to play the entire series be considered a promotion?
- Would allowing liberal use of Nintendo IP within the game be considered a promotion?
- Would having limited ediiton "Day One" prestige SKUs be considered a promotion?
- Would showing the game in playable form at public facing games events (PAX, Gamecom, EGX) be considered promotion?
- Would putting the game centre stage at an E3 press event be considered promotion?
- Would making the game be a key pillar in Nintendo direct upcoming games showreels be considered promotion?
- Would having a large banner on the front page of the WiiU Eshop as a "coming soon" be considered promotion?

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

Link? Though, I'm not sure that I really *want* to read them a day before Kol Nidre.

I was just referencing all the crazy tweets that were flying around the day the announcement happened, people were really incensed, lol.

 

[ninjablade]

But I think Bayonetta's design IS appealing. I wouldn't want them to change it.

of course you guys love bayonetta design and art style, then what other reasons can we blame the game for bombing, the gameplay is clearly great based on reviews, being called the best action games, it doesn't matter anyway bayonetta after the sequel is dead.

 

[wsippel]

7 figures is bigger than 6 figures. I am being condescending, not stupid.

Noone seems to be noticing that Platinum is not exactly waiting for Nintendo to throw them a bone, neither is Bayonetta their only game, it's a highly versatile, in demand studio. Instead of bringing Bayonetta "back from the dead" and throwing it directly into the abyss they could have been finishing scalebound or some other project not destined to die. And I am saying "defense squad" because you are being selfish.

You do know that the Xbone is seemingly bombing about as badly as the Wii U, right? And looking at W101 sales, Kamiya's name doesn't really guarantee sales. I wouldn't be surprised if Bayonetta 2 outsold Scalebound. Hell, I wouldn't be shocked if Scalebound didn't reach W101 numbers.

 

[Windforce]

Wow, he was quite a jerk towards the end, sarcastially telling us to beg Nintendo for the game to be available on Xbox and PlayStation.

You can keep your game with Nintendo, Kamiya, people don't care as much about it as you think.

 

[Projectjustice]

of course you guys love bayonetta design and art style, then what other reasons can we blame the game for bombing, the gameplay is clearly great based on reviews, being called the best action games, it doesn't matter anyway bayonetta after the sequel is dead.

Game hasn't bombed yet. You don't have a clue what the budget for this game was and what would be considered a bomb for Nintendo and Platinum games.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

people don't care as much about it as you think.

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