yeah i rather vote for Hilary than the evil republican party
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yeah i rather vote for Hilary than the evil republican party
gutter_trash
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So Florida goes Bush, if Bush picks Sandoval, give him Nevada.Give him Ohio just for fun.+ Lets add New Hampshire to make papa Bush happy.
Hillary still wins
Hillary still wins
airmangataosenai
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By the final certified results, Bush had a lead of around 500 votes, over 90k left-leaning people voted for Nader. Maybe you should do some research.
Those people who selfishly voted for Nader changed history forever for the worse.
benjipwns
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You can vote for other evil parties too!
The Democratic Party was supposed to drop the idea of owning people like 150 years ago breh.
Aaron Strife
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Based on polling right now (which doesn't mean much this far out but still), they would need to win Florida and Ohio for sure, which is doable enough in a close race. Obama barely won Florida and didn't win Ohio by a much larger margin. They'd also need to hold North Carolina - again, if the popular vote is close they probably would.Where does Hillary lose? I can't see it anywhere. I'd love to see what pickups conservatives think they can get though.
Hillary isn't polling very well in Iowa or Colorado for one reason or another, so we could give those to the GOP, I guess (I don't think she'll lose them). But that still gives Hillary exactly 270 electoral votes. There's Virginia, but Democrats have been doing remarkably well there in recent elections and polls for how solidly red it used to be.
Put it this way - if you gave Hillary every state the Democrats have won in six of the past six presidential elections, she'd start out with 242 electoral votes. Add to that New Hampshire (only Gore lost), Iowa and New Mexico (only Kerry lost) and that goes up to 257. Nevada I don't think many people expect to flip red anytime soon and Democrats have won it 4 out of the past 6 elections (Gore and Kerry lost) - which bumps them up to 263.
From there Hillary would just need one of:
- Colorado
- Virginia
- Ohio
- Florida
- North Carolina
- Some surprise swing state like Georgia or Arizona
And she's in.
gutter_trash
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could Bubba help Hilldog get Arkansas?
So not only in your little world do people have to vote for the lesser of two evils, they have to be soothsayers as well.
In a more perfect world it would be Elizabeth Warren getting so much support. But I understand how politics work. Hillary has the financial backing and the name.
To be honest, outside of healthcare, I have no idea what Clinton actually stands for. She comes off as a total career politician, and I am tired of such people.
To be honest, outside of healthcare, I have no idea what Clinton actually stands for. She comes off as a total career politician, and I am tired of such people.
gutter_trash
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No. Those states are long gone for any democrat. Ditto for the middle of the country states like Kansas and Oklahoma who voted for LBJ in 1964 and never looked back
SteveWinwood
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so theyre politicians
BoboBrazil
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Good to have Bill back in power with her as president. Who is the VP choice? I'm hoping someone young.
Where does Hillary lose? I can't see it anywhere. I'd love to see what pickups conservatives think they can get though.
How can she lose?
She can lose against a formidable Republican or under the right political conditions. Her benefit is that the electoral map favors the Democrats. Dems start with at least 240-250 electoral votes.
Wait, Biden is below the line? But I always thought of him as America's bumbling do-good uncle, always putting his foot in his mouth. Most people love that member of their family. I was pretty much expecting him to transition to his own television show of some type after leaving office. Also, his Onion persona.
Jesus, that's terrifying. I'd take Rubio or Bush. Please don't let Walker get anywhere near the White House...
RustyNails
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How can she lose?
She can lose against a formidable Republican or under the right political conditions. Her benefit is that the electoral map favors the Democrats. Dems start with at least 240-250 electoral votes.
There is absolutely no way a republican (under normal circumstances) can carry ALL swing states: OH, FL, VA, IA, CO and NC. One or two maybe. Even if we give GOP FL, NC, VA and OH, they still lose. Don't forget, CO's hispanic turnout is heavily in Dem's favor.
Something something Ross Perot.
benjipwns
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Jesse Ventura's running this time! He swears! Jesse and the rest can pick up 6% together! Yes, we can!
SteveWinwood
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this is what i expect to happen
Hey, I said under the right conditions. They swept all the major contested Senate races sans 1 or 2 in 2014 in a low turnout election. Anything is possible. I don't want to underestimate the GOP attack machine or overestimate Clinton's campaign. But, as a Democrat, looking at the map, I feel good about fielding any Democrat against a Republican. I just don't want to say we have it in the bag until all the votes are counted.
I so want Bush to win the nomination and a third party conservative candidate to run. 1992 all over again.
benjipwns
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This is absolutely nuts. D.C. will never vote Republican. Otherwise I agree it's the most likely outcome when people find out about Benghazi.this is what i expect to happen
this is what i expect to happen
Still more accurate than KnoxCore's map.
benjipwns
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Ross Perot wasn't a "conservative" candidate.
Pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro-limited campaign finance, anti-free trade agreements, for highly progressive tax increases. He had moderate Democrat positions on energy/environment/education/foreign policy/health care. At the same time he wanted a balanced budget, a greater war on drugs, vastly tighter immigration controls, no affirmative action and to change welfare to workfare.
In a way, Ross Perot won the election.
Also, Ross Perot took pretty much the same amount of votes from Clinton as he did from Bush, that whole "Perot won Clinton the election" narrative started by shocked beltway insiders and GOP campaign "experts" who could not believe someone like Clinton could beat someone like Bush.
The mere possibility of a republican president/congress seating new SCOTUS judges frightens me. At least the gay marriage issue will be resolved (hopefully for the better - equal rights) before the next election.
I expect the barrage of negative ads to be relentless.
Here's hoping the next President is a democrat. Any of the republican candidates would set us back decades.
I expect the barrage of negative ads to be relentless.
Here's hoping the next President is a democrat. Any of the republican candidates would set us back decades.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
Unfortunately your absolutely right. We're living in a ross perot America.
benjipwns
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He was too late to stop NAFTA, and some of that stuff was passed (campaign finance, tax increases, etc.) and then repealed/struck down but Clinton/W. Bush and Congress passed like half his platform on their own lol
Had he won they would have sat on their hands rather than do any of it.
Had he won they would have sat on their hands rather than do any of it.
gutter_trash
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this is what i expect to happen
1984 was almost like that minus Minnesota and DC
HalfBakedProphet
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are we gonna keep perpetuating this bullshit? Florida democrats overwhelming voted for Bush over Nader.
Or blame the 50 million Americans that voted Bush ¯_(ツ
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benjipwns
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1956-1984 saw five of eight of the elections have one candidate win 40+ states and another win less than ten including D.C. It hasn't happened once since. (1988-2012) H.W. Bush got exactly 40 vs. Dukakis getting exactly 10 + D.C.
It happened in all three elections of the Great Depression Era: 1928, 1932 and 1936.
I hadn't thought about the Romney comparison. but it's a good one. We know nothing about her other than she's the dotcom bubble guy's wife.
Right? Call it a shit sandwich if you want. Just so long as you acknowledge that the alternative is a turd without the bread.
Fox Mulder
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this is what i expect to happen
Those emails.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
When i went to get dinner i turned on talk radio. Some guy ive never heard of (during his intro it said "Constitution in one hand, bible in the other") was going on how Hillary was a "Luciferion."
This is election is gonna be something.
This is election is gonna be something.
HalfBakedProphet
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God-King Washington with dat unopposed 100%Heh, winners share of the Electoral Vote:
post-war era u so crazy
Aaron Strife
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so the GOP just needs to win every swing state, great!How can she lose?
She can lose against a formidable Republican or under the right political conditions. Her benefit is that the electoral map favors the Democrats. Dems start with at least 240-250 electoral votes.
gutter_trash
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step one, get the liberals in Colorado stoned so that they don't turn out to vote
eBay Huckster
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also, Monroe with dat random 99.5%
benjipwns
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Back-to-back two time undefeated champion yo
He once put his opponents wifes hand in a jar of acid.
At a party.
I've always thought the most likely scenario was that Perot hoovered up the Reagan Democrats who never really liked Bush and were still leery of going back to the Democrats after Mondale/Dukakis.
RustyNails
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Midterm elections are awful predictor of general elections. Low turnout always favors GOP, as the most reliable voting bloc are old white people.
benjipwns
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Because one of the electors hated him over like 20 year old shit and thought his VP was mentally challenged. Whose descendants then rather successfully spun the story into "oh, he just wanted to preserve Washington's legacy as the only one with a perfect score!"
SteveWinwood
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It could happen!
this will never not make me laugh
RustyNails
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bigwinnerx
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Think Virginia is basically blue. Nova, Richmond, and Norfolk trounce the rurals.
We'll see a lot of her near me in Fairfax/Loudoun areas in 2016. Money here and need for those 13 swing EVs.
We'll see a lot of her near me in Fairfax/Loudoun areas in 2016. Money here and need for those 13 swing EVs.
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