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Hillary Clinton officially launches presidential campaign

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Fox Mulder said:
It's pretty pathetic how barren the democratic side is with serious or even interested candidates. I dont see Hillary coming anywhere close to getting people fired up like Obama.

The Republicans base will have the fire and their candidates will be tested in a brutal proper primary.
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To be honest the Republican field is pretty poor as well. Its better than 2012, but then so would be a tray of sock puppets. Rand Paul, Huckabee and Cruz will tie up a lot of votes in candidates that cannot win in a general election. Bush or Walker will probably lock up the moderate vote and take the nomination, and they aren't very good candidates. If its Bush/Walker vs Clinton you'll have two extremely mediocre candidates running, and Clinton almost certainly wins because she has a veritable stockpile of corporate wealth behind her and the electoral map is simply stronger for the democrats.
 
gutter_trash said:
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I want this guy has her running mate
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I support this, but only if HillHow uses Party All the Time as their official campaign song.

Seriously though, the fact that Hillary is all but a lock for the Democratic bid bodes well for her. She's going to have a strong, focused campaign.
 
Pizza said:
Sorry, but I'm calling it hard. Hillary will have the vote of all the recently 18-year-old's who were raised by tumblr. "Get a woman in there" will be the mentality if there is a sudden surge in young voters. Thats just a fact of life.

Because it's either a cool hip woman or another old white guy, and he's a republican? Gross. Republicans are smelly and democrats are hip.

Both parties are equally rotten and hollow jokes of establishments that are unhealthy ingraned into our political system because "well someone had to do it" and they're too big to fail, just like everything else here is.


Sorry, got off topic, I was in high school during the first Obama election and it was honestly entirely a race thing. There was the rare person who actually knew his views but the mentality was "Obama is cool let's make the first black president a thing! We can vote now! Let's make history!" And if politics were brought up it was dismissed with "have you SEEN" the other guy?

Like, 90% my peers and even some teachers acted like this. the teachers were the most disheartening, because Spanish class became "lets make history you're democrats right?" class, and everyone who was in there loved it.

I have no party affiliations and voting, for most people, this is the equivalent to reposting something on social media to make a difference.



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Dude, you'd be better with less salt and more pineapples.

Obama didn't win because he's black
 
Crayons said:
Dude, you'd be better with less salt and more pineapples.

Obama didn't win because he's black
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Imnotevenmad

Good job Obama, you had good policies that got you in office! I'd high-five him if he was here. What a great job.


I'm just talking about people IN GENERAL who do this shit. Not that it singlehandedly won any elections, but it helped. but I think I fumbled with my wording, so I'm just going to politely bow out. Sorry.
 
Pizza said:
Imnotevenmad

Good job Obama, you had good policies that got you in office! I'd high-five him if he was here. What a great job.


I'm just talking about people IN GENERAL who do this shit. Not that it singlehandedly won any elections, but it helped. but I think I fumbled with my wording, so I'm just going to politely bow out. Sorry.
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You know... You actually have a point. Obama definitely didn't win because he was black, but the huge influx of new voters and his overwhelming support of the new voters is definitely what won him the election. He won something like 65% of the 18-29 vote in 2008, and the turn out for that demographic was significantly higher than any previous year.

Now I don't buy into the motivation that people only voted him simply because they wanted to make history, but there was definitely some underlying factor at play that drove young voters to Obama in 2008 in numbers that were previously unheard of.
 
I'll be really disappointed if she goes basically unchallenged.

RyanDG said:
You know... You actually have a point. Obama definitely didn't win because he was black, but the huge influx of new voters and his overwhelming support of the new voters is definitely what won him the election. He won something like 65% of the 18-29 vote in 2008, and the turn out for that demographic was significantly higher than any previous year.

Now I don't buy into the motivation that people only voted him simply because they wanted to make history, but there was definitely some underlying factor at play that drove young voters to Obama in 2008 in numbers that were previously unheard of.
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I think you're really downplaying how unpopular Bush was or how bad things were in that election. Here's a guy that talked big and got people riled up; and almost consistently failed to deliver.
 
RyanDG said:
You know... You actually have a point. Obama definitely didn't win because he was black, but the huge influx of new voters and his overwhelming support of the new voters is definitely what won him the election. He won something like 65% of the 18-29 vote in 2008, and the turn out for that demographic was significantly higher than any previous year.

Now I don't buy into the motivation that people only voted him simply because they wanted to make history, but there was definitely some underlying factor at play that drove young voters to Obama in 2008 in numbers that were previously unheard of.
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Obama won by such a large margin because the economy tanked. The campaign was very close, even with Mccain running the most hilariously inept campaigns ever, before the stock market collapsed.
 
FiggyCal said:
I'll be really disappointed if she goes basically unchallenged.
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I will too. I mean, don't get me wrong, I like the idea of a non-bloody primary that way everyone's garbage isn't thrown out by your own party, but a well-debated primary focused on the issues and an effort to reclaim the 'liberal' tag as not being a bad thing would be good for democrats. The base of the party really needs to get motivated about something, and unless it does, this election is likely going to be defined by Republicans/Conservatives as a referendum on the last years, with the Democrats struggling to either run far away from Obama's legacy or failing to really embrace the fact that the last 8 years have seen a lot of progress, and it isn't something that Democrats should be ashamed of.
 
TheHeretic said:
Obama won by such a large margin because the economy tanked. The campaign was very close, even with Mccain running the most hilariously inept campaigns ever because the stock market collapsed.
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But the economy tanking doesn't explain the wide margin of vote that Obama had from young people in my opinion. If you look at the demographic break down and issues that people identified with, young people and the economy didn't really mix that election in terms of level of importance. So I don't think its that simple.

FiggyCal said:
I think you're really downplaying how unpopular Bush was or how bad hectic things were in that election. Here's a guy that talked big and got people riled up; and almost consistently failed to deliver.
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I understand the build up to the election, but once again, I'm focusing primarily on the motivator that brought out twice as many young people in 2008 than what showed up in 2004, and voted for Obama by a 10% wider margin than they did for Kerry. I mean hell, Obama got a wider margin of the vote than even Clinton did for young people.
 
Pizza said:
Sorry, but I'm calling it hard. Hillary will have the vote of all the recently 18-year-old's who were raised by tumblr. "Get a woman in there" will be the mentality if there is a sudden surge in young voters. Thats just a fact of life.

Because it's either a cool hip woman or another old white guy, and he's a republican? Gross. Republicans are smelly and democrats are hip.

Both parties are equally rotten and hollow jokes of establishments that are unhealthy ingraned into our political system because "well someone had to do it" and they're too big to fail, just like everything else here is.


Sorry, got off topic, I was in high school during the first Obama election and it was honestly entirely a race thing. There was the rare person who actually knew his views but the mentality was "Obama is cool let's make the first black president a thing! We can vote now! Let's make history!" And if politics were brought up it was dismissed with "have you SEEN" the other guy?

Like, 90% my peers and even some teachers acted like this. the teachers were the most disheartening, because Spanish class became "lets make history you're democrats right?" class, and everyone who was in there loved it.

I have no party affiliations and voting, for most people, this is the equivalent to reposting something on social media to make a difference.



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I like how you claim "for most people" Then post one of the few and only posts with that extreme. And then pretend like people won't do the exact same thing on the other side "Ill vote for the man, not the woman!".

Cmon now. And miss me with the Black Privilege thing for Obama. I can't....
 
Flo_Evans said:
Hold your nose and vote Hillary 2016.

I think she is going to lose.
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I would love your analysis as to who that would be to out of the current republican contenders and how they could manage to swing the electoral college math to their favor

It's not even gonna be close mate. I'm predicting somewhere around 65% of the vote for Hillary.
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Very unlikely unless Bobby Jindal somehow becomes the nominee. The electoral college most likely will be a bloodbath though.
 
RyanDG said:
But the economy tanking doesn't explain the wide margin of vote that Obama had from young people in my opinion. If you look at the demographic break down and issues that people identified with, young people and the economy didn't really mix that election in terms of level of importance. So I don't think its that simple.
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He was the anti war candidate as well in 2008 if you remember, since Hillary voted for war in Iraq and Obama opposed it, which is why he won the nomination and the hearts of young people. He's an incredible politician, Hillary doesn't have a fraction of his political skills, but then none of the Republicans except Huckabee do either.
 
I apologized if this was asked already, but who is leading on the Republican side? I'm not the biggest Hillary fan, so I'm wondering if anyone sees a potential Democratic candidate to run against Hilary?

Thanks!
 
TheHeretic said:
He was the anti war candidate as well in 2008 if you remember, since Hillary voted for war in Iraq and Obama opposed it, which is why he won the nomination and the hearts of young people. He's an incredible politician, Hillary is nowhere near his level, but then none of the Republicans except Huckabee are either.
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Are we thinking of the same person?
 
Big Green Anus said:
I apologized if this was asked already, but who is leading on the Republican side? I'm not the biggest Hillary fan, so I'm wondering if anyone sees a potential Democratic candidate to run against Hilary?

Thanks!
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Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, and Jeb Bush are the three main republicans at this stage.

And I've heard of a few Democratic challengers, but no one has really stepped into place yet. Now that Clinton has announced though, I would expect people would really start to come out (since she is routinely identified as being the front runner and now they can focus group their chances against her).
 
TacticalFox88 said:
Pizza you think both parties are the same? Are you fucking kidding me? Hahahhaha

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about
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Last thing I'll say, since I don't think I'm conveying my points intelligently at all and I really don't mean to be read the way your responses tell me I'm coming off.


Both parties have set ideals, and they grab whatever ideals that crop up and fit into their general persona. They absorb these, sometimes extreme, ideas to prevent the growth of a third party that could take away their votes.

This creates a system where you have caricatures of candidates trying to cover all of the parties interests, any and all issues need to be answered with the correct party-answer and those changes may or may not actually get made while in office. this creates a system where religious fanaticism and tax opinions are lumped as equivalent issues, despite the interests of religious groups being made irrelevant by the "separation of church and state"

no party could even dare suggest showing religion the door in politics for the sake of gender equality because then the other party or a smaller party could net those voters.


Both parties are also grossly funded by private interest groups, making whatever changes they promise incredibly hard to actually follow through with, because the interest groups that need changing are also the ones funding the politicians campaign.


Maybe "both parties are in equivalent, self-serving positions that are not good for the average voter or the long-term health of the country" would be a better way to say it.

Want gender equality? A politician is likely to cite God or the bible as a reason not to have it, because this republican was voted in by catering to a religious demographic and if they want to keep the voters/party (or not go to hell) they cannot suggest taking religious affiliation out of politics for fairness' sake because that would be political suicide.



I'm trying to convey my thoughts coherently, and I'm terribly sorry they're reading so wrong to y'all, I really really respect people and I was trying not to make any huge "Obama won only because he's black, both parties are identical" statements. I know those statements are often made, but I tried to word mine in a way that suggested these were parts do issues, rather than trying to say they were the only factor.


I'm sure this post came out wrong too. Sorry gaf, 'night.


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Sorry, saw another post calling me out for sweeping generalizations. I tried to not make any but I'll be more careful with what I decide to try and type out in the future. Sorry if I offended anyone, I know I came off like an ass.
 
FiggyCal said:
No. #RunWarrenRun

Or Bernie Sanders even. We have options!
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I think Warren's benefit to the campaign is basically going to be the king maker for the Democratic candidates for the Liberal base.

She doesn't have as much of a benefit as an actual candidate, thought that may be more of my opinion of her coloring my thoughts on the matter.
 
GnawtyDog said:
Cubans know better not to vote for pro-embargo Jeb. For the loonies that watch channel 41 cool-aid - they will never reconcile - but we don't need them to. As long as we get enough votes elsewhere so that a 2000 recount coup (fraud) doesn't happen - we should be good. Like I said, the Cuban lobby will be a non-factor in a few years if relations improve at a steady pace. Their rethoric will be useless. Sure it will fall well on some willing ears, but those will be so few that you could probably count them with your finger. I can't wait for the day in which clowns like Ileanna and Balart are gone from the House. Marco has sadly become GOP's favorite puppet for the hispanic-diversity image. They will be pouring unconditional/unprecedented support on him.
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you would think that Cuban-Americans would like to reunite with their relatives at least once in their life time.

I understand the Castro hate but I don't understand that hate translated into making the rest of Cuba suffer, especially for those who still have family members over there

Fuck Jeb
 
FiggyCal said:
No. #RunWarrenRun

Or Bernie Sanders even. We have options!
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There are no options. Warren is 100% not running. She has no interest in it and has nothing to gain by running a losing campaign.

Bernie Sanders openly calls himself a socialist. He'd lose to every single republican nominee by a massive margin.

It's Hillary vs whoever the republicans nominations. The 2016 primary was over years ago.
 
Agent_Carnage said:
Most likey to win their primary's probably Scott Walker. Cruz and Paul are a bit too batshit crazy for the moderate republicans to get behind.

If Cruz wins the nom may as well call Hillary Clinton the next president then.
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I don't see it. Walker has spent his entire political career feasting on incredibly weak opponents. He sounds like a total moron when you knock him off his script (as in, makes Dubya sound articulate) and I think Bush at the very least will be able to do that to him.
 
It bums me to think of all the lows Elizabeth Warren would have to stoop to to be elected president in this country.
 
Box of Kittens said:
I don't see it. Walker has spent his entire political career feasting on incredibly weak opponents. He sounds like a total moron when you knock him off his script (as in, makes Dubya sound articulate) and I think Bush at the very least will be able to do that to him.
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Yeah walker is a C tier politician. He's a pretty effective administrator but being the Governor of Wisconsin doesn't make you ready for prime time.
 
Could Walker swing Wisconsin? That'd throw a kink in things, given Wisconsin is a swing state that's not typically up for grabs.

Or is it kinda like Massachusetts, where a guy like Romney could win locally, but could never carry the state in a national election.
 
makingmusic476 said:
Could Walker swing Wisconsin? That'd throw a kink in things, given Wisconsin is a swing state that's not typically up for grabs.

Or is it kinda like Massachusetts, where a guy like Romney could win locally, but could never carry the state in a national election.
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It's gonna be Bush vs Clinton (lol)
 
Boke1879 said:
Warren stands NO CHANCE at winning.
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This is absolutely false. People need to stop talking about her running because she's not going to run, but if she did she'd stand a chance. I'd say just about any democrat would be the favorite in the general election at this point.
 
TheHeretic said:
Obama won by such a large margin because the economy tanked. The campaign was very close, even with Mccain running the most hilariously inept campaigns ever, before the stock market collapsed.
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The economic crisis (and McCain's horrid response to it) was certainly the nail in the coffin. I still think Obama wins fairly comfortably without it (maybe something more like his 2012 margin). He lead pretty much the entire way aside from McCain's post convention bounce and 2008 was always going to be tough going for the Republicans given how unpopular Bush was.
 
Pizza said:
Imnotevenmad

Good job Obama, you had good policies that got you in office! I'd high-five him if he was here. What a great job.


I'm just talking about people IN GENERAL who do this shit. Not that it singlehandedly won any elections, but it helped. but I think I fumbled with my wording, so I'm just going to politely bow out. Sorry.
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Well, there's also the other side of things too. A lot of kids in my school didn't like black people. They all were praying he'd be sniped during his inauguration. It kind of opened my eyes to prejudice a bit more at the time.
 
Can we stop the Warren talk? She is not running. She wouldnt win even if she did run and if she won, a Republican Congress would laugh at her.

The Warren hype train is for those unsatisfied and unaccepting of Hillary as the defacto coronated nominee.

Warren would lose to a Bush and we dont need to take any chances. She would get McGoverned or Dukakised.

Like Harry Reid said, Id take Hillary baggage and all the scandals over another Bush Presidency(Jeb)
 
Hilary is the national Martha Choakley.

Get ready for eight years of inept republican rule if she's on the ballot.

I wish we had a party that wasn't composed of fuckups
 
Not said:
It bums me to think of all the lows Elizabeth Warren would have to stoop to to be elected president in this country.
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I just want to see an Elizabeth Warren campaign where she goes around the country with a hammer breaking shit up saying "THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE BANKS!"
 
FiggyCal said:
I'll be really disappointed if she goes basically unchallenged.



I think you're really downplaying how unpopular Bush was or how bad things were in that election. Here's a guy that talked big and got people riled up; and almost consistently failed to deliver.
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Same. Isn't Jim Webb running?
 
NeoXChaos said:
Can we stop the Warren talk? She is not running. She wouldnt win even if she did run and if she won, a Republican Congress would laugh at her.

The Warren hype train is for those unsatisfied and unaccepting of Hillary as the defacto coronated nominee.

Warren would lose to a Bush and we dont need to take any chances. She would get McGoverned & Dukakised.
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I'm not sure why she would lose. It depends on her policy mix. Being for financial reform, consumer protection and a more equitable distribution of income isn't exactly going to be unpopular in America in 2016. If she ran to the left on every issue she'd be toast, but presumably she's intelligent enough not to do that.
 
jamesinclair said:
Hilary is the national Martha Choakley.

Get ready for eight years of inept republican rule if she's on the ballot.

I wish we had a party that wasn't composed of fuckups
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What makes you and other believe that? I really want to know. Is there something I and others are missing about Clinton?
 
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