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[MMarston]

From a friend of a friend on FB regarding the logo in the video

I'm a fan don't get me wrong. BUT IS IT JUST ME OR DOES THE LOGO LOOK LIKE THE 9/11 PLANE FLYING THROUGH TWIN TOWERS

Illuminati confirmed.



(Also don't worry, this person was being sarcastic)

 

[Piggus]

oh come on.

Most republicans don't know how to use the internet, you know. Such technology is beyond their simple minds.

 

[ibyea]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/06/1260721/-The-Nader-Myth

Gore lost to Bush because nearly half a million registered democrats voted for Bush in Florida. Nader did not spoil the election, ffs. Gore spoiled the election in Florida for himself, nobody else is to blame.

Well then, even if I disagree with your voting tactics, I was wrong on this one.

 

[JABEE]

I blame George H. W. Bush's sperm count.

I blame the tides.

 

[Verano]

Why would Hispanics vote for Jeb? I mean obviously some will BUT, the base will be democratic this next election cycle.

Im guessing cubans and some self-hating mexicans from Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico...
My family sees Hillary like Bill Clinton so Im sure they're gonna vote for her

 

[vicissitudes]

It's hilarious some of the hate Hillary is getting. Y'all should be grateful that she's running because if she's not, the Democratic field of nominees would actually be weaker than all the crazies that the Republicans are fielding. So far the only possible alternatives brought up in this thread are:

- A woman who does not want to run, will not run, and has no chance of winning a national election.
- Some fantasy, nonexistent character who will enter the race at the last second by magic.

Seriously if she decided she wasn't going to run, the democratic party would be a mess right now. Anyway, you got my vote hilldawg.

 

[statham]

It's hilarious some of the hate Hillary is getting. Y'all should be grateful that she's running because if she's not, the Democratic field of nominees would actually be weaker than all the crazies that the Republicans are fielding. So far the only possible alternatives brought up in this thread are:

- A woman who does not want to run, will not run, and has no chance of winning a national election.
- Some fantasy, nonexistent character who will enter the race at the last second by magic.

Seriously if she decided she wasn't going to run, the democratic party would be a mess right now. Anyway, you got my vote hilldawg.

I think Biden would do alright.

 

[GnawtyDog]

Im guessing cubans and some self-hating mexicans from Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico...
My family sees Hillary like Bill Clinton so Im sure they're gonna vote for her

Cubans know better not to vote for pro-embargo Jeb. For the loonies that watch channel 41 cool-aid - they will never reconcile - but we don't need them to. As long as we get enough votes elsewhere so that a 2000 recount coup (fraud) doesn't happen - we should be good. Like I said, the Cuban lobby will be a non-factor in a few years if relations improve at a steady pace. Their rethoric will be useless. Sure it will fall well on some willing ears, but those will be so few that you could probably count them with your finger. I can't wait for the day in which clowns like Ileanna and Balart are gone from the House. Marco has sadly become GOP's favorite puppet for the hispanic-diversity image. They will be pouring unconditional/unprecedented support on him.

 

[daycru]

It's hilarious some of the hate Hillary is getting. Y'all should be grateful that she's running because if she's not, the Democratic field of nominees would actually be weaker than all the crazies that the Republicans are fielding. So far the only possible alternatives brought up in this thread are:

- A woman who does not want to run, will not run, and has no chance of winning a national election.
- Some fantasy, nonexistent character who will enter the race at the last second by magic.

Seriously if she decided she wasn't going to run, the democratic party would be a mess right now. Anyway, you got my vote hilldawg.

16 years of milquetoast "Well, who else?" between Obama and Clinton. Brutal.

 

[perfectchaos007]

Im guessing cubans and some self-hating mexicans from Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico...
My family sees Hillary like Bill Clinton so Im sure they're gonna vote for her

https://youtu.be/AdYGd-GmxSY?t=1m

 

[Bornstellar]

If it ends up being Bush v. Clinton I'll be deeply saddened. I'd rather like to stay away from dynasties.

 

[Yellowtail]

I think Biden would do alright.

Biden is running behind Bush/Walker/Rubio in all national polls. So is Elizabeth Warren.

Hillary is basically responsible for making this election Lean D instead of Lean R.

 

[injurai]

This just won her the over 60 vote. The right is committing political suicide.

They double down on a traditional install base that lives chew on low hanging fruit. Which really doesn't win over people on the line. But it somehow creates an echo chamber that they need to cement the ego that holds up their house of cards in the first place.

 

[Blader]

If it ends up being Bush v. Clinton I'll be deeply saddened. I'd rather like to stay away from dynasties.

The Clintons are not a dynasty, they're a couple. Unless Chelsea decides to run too.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

That video totally got me. Damn.

 

[vicissitudes]

The Clintons are not a dynasty, they're a couple. Unless Chelsea decides to run too.

Well yeah, only if you go by the "official" "dictionary" definition of dynasty.

BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI
DYNASTY DYNASTY DYNASTY

 

[Ecotic]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/06/1260721/-The-Nader-Myth

Gore lost to Bush because nearly half a million registered democrats voted for Bush in Florida. Nader did not spoil the election, ffs. Gore spoiled the election in Florida for himself, nobody else is to blame.

Party registration is not that accurate when used as an indicator. A lot of people in their 50's or 60's may have never changed their party registration in 20 or 30 years, and the parties have changed a lot since then. Many older people may consider themselves a Democrat or Republican based upon how the party used to be (Rockefeller Republicans or conservative Democrats), but haven't voted for that party in a long time. In the South especially older people consider themselves Democrats because the 'Solid South' used to lean Democrat, but they vote Republican lockstep now.

In general party registration doesn't mean much, people change their views but not their party registration, or maybe you have politically active people who register just to influence the other party's closed primaries.

 

[ivysaur12]

I also think it's hilarious that people keep saying that, "well, she thinks she deserves this." You know who else thinks they deserve to be president? Every single person who's seriously run for president in modern times.

 

[Pizza]

Can't wait to vote against her. Horrible person.

*high five*

I know that my vote won't even count, because she'll have the backings of her party and social justice warriors thinking that *any* Woman in the white house is a big win for equality. I really don't want to feel useless in another bandwagon election

 

[Not]

I'm voting for her no matter what she does just so we'll have a democratic female president of the united states. I don't care if you think that's irresponsible. I don't care if she bans ice cream sundaes. I am voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton in November 2016, and nobody can friggin' stop me.

 

[Crud]

This just won her the over 60 vote. The right is committing political suicide.

Lmao holy fuck.

 

[Yellowtail]

The Clintons are not a dynasty, they're a couple. Unless Chelsea decides to run too.

I liked how the New Republic framed the Bush/Clinton distinction in a historical light:

For generations, the primary path to power for women with any political ambitions (and even some without them) was through those who came to political power easily: men, usually husbands. This has been especially true of “first” women in American politics: The first woman governor, Wyoming’s Nellie Tayloe Ross, was elected in 1925 to replace her husband after his death. The first woman elected to the Senate was Hattie Wyatt Carraway, who filled the Arkansas seat of her dead husband in 1931. Maine Republican Margaret Chase Smith, who took her late husband’s House seat in 1940, went on to become senator and the first woman ever to have her name placed into nomination for the presidency at a major party’s convention.

It was practically preordained that the first woman to come close to a major party nomination, if not to become the first female president, was going to have family ties to a man with executive branch experience.

That doesn’t make Hillary’s current political position dynastic in the way that, say, Jeb Bush’s is. There are big differences between being born into a position of political privilege and marrying someone who becomes politically powerful. Wives have historically provided the support to make presidents’ careers possible; no dynastic configuration has ever landed one in the Oval Office herself..

So while it is fair to feel critical of the advisors, strategies, and policies deployed by both Hillary and Bill Clinton during the years they have each wielded political power, it is not fair or accurate to suggest their familial circumstances are equivalent to those of the Bushes, the Roosevelts, the Adamses, the Kennedys, or the Cuomos. If you want to compare them to the Tayloe Rosses, the Wyatt Carraways, or the Chase Smiths, that’s cool. But it doesn’t pack quite the same punch. And that’s part of the point.

 

[Box of Kittens]

Even if you live in a battleground state, you should be voting for your interests; not strategically. The reason the big two never change is because they don't feel like they have to earn the support of their base. Only by having their voting base jeopardized will they ever be motivated to modify their platforms and policies.

The American political system is set up very poorly for third parties. Not only are Congressional elections decided on a "first past the post" basis, presidential elections have the added factor that you need a majority (not just a plurality) of electoral votes for any candidate to win or else the election goes to the House of Representatives.

Add in that the results of presidential elections have real effects on people's lives, and there's a pretty strong incentive to vote for a viable (i.e. Democratic or Republican) candidate. If Gore had been elected in 2000, there's a good chance the Iraq War never happens, Citizens United never happens, etc. This election will be a great chance to end the long period of a majority conservative on the Supreme Court (conversely there's a good chance that a Republican victory puts the SCOTUS out of reach for another generation or longer).

Personally I prefer to try and bring about change from within the Democratic party. I think it's best to support more progressive candidates in primaries, especially at the local level where it can percolate up to the state and national levels as local office holders run for state/national positions. I honestly think this will have a better chance of moving the party to better reflect my views than voting third party. Also, it's not as though the typical third party candidate impresses me.

 

[ivysaur12]

*high five*

I know that my vote won't even count, because she'll have the backings of her party and social justice warriors thinking that *any* Woman in the white house is a big win for equality. I really don't want to feel useless in another bandwagon election

Shut up.

 

[JJDinomite]

I'm voting for her no matter what she does just so we'll have a democratic female president of the united states. I don't care if you think that's irresponsible. I don't care if she bans ice cream sundaes. I am voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton in November, and nobody can friggin' stop me.

That's irresponsible.

 

[Pizza]

Shut up.

Sorry, but I'm calling it hard. Hillary will have the vote of all the recently 18-year-old's who were raised by tumblr. "Get a woman in there" will be the mentality if there is a sudden surge in young voters. Thats just a fact of life.

Because it's either a cool hip woman or another old white guy, and he's a republican? Gross. Republicans are smelly and democrats are hip.

Both parties are equally rotten and hollow jokes of establishments that are unhealthy ingraned into our political system because "well someone had to do it" and they're too big to fail, just like everything else here is.


Sorry, got off topic, I was in high school during the first Obama election and it was honestly entirely a race thing. There was the rare person who actually knew his views but the mentality was "Obama is cool let's make the first black president a thing! We can vote now! Let's make history!" And if politics were brought up it was dismissed with "have you SEEN" the other guy?

Like, 90% my peers and even some teachers acted like this. the teachers were the most disheartening, because Spanish class became "lets make history you're democrats right?" class, and everyone who was in there loved it.

I have no party affiliations and voting, for most people, this is the equivalent to reposting something on social media to make a difference.



EDIT:

I'm voting for her no matter what she does just so we'll have a democratic female president of the united states. I don't care if you think that's irresponsible. I don't care if she bans ice cream sundaes. I am voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton in November, and nobody can friggin' stop me.

see?

 

[Skux]

It's funny hearing the "I'll move to New Zealand" from conservatives whenever faced with the prospect of a Democrat US president. You realise we're even more socialist than any Democrat would ever be, right?

 

[TheMan]

I'm voting for her no matter what she does just so we'll have a democratic female president of the united states. I don't care if you think that's irresponsible. I don't care if she bans ice cream sundaes. I am voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton in November, and nobody can friggin' stop me.

i suspect a lot of people will get caught up in the frenzy of making history with having a female president. honestly i'd probably vote democrat anyway regardless of who was running, unless they were just outright, undisputedly terrible.

 

[B.K.]

Please, no more Clintons or Bushes.

 

[GnawtyDog]

It's funny hearing the "I'll move to New Zealand" from conservatives whenever faced with the prospect of a Democrat US president. You realise we're even more socialist than any Democrat would ever be, right?

They know. That's why they don't move - only whine.

 

[Aarglefarg]

I'm voting for her no matter what she does just so we'll have a democratic female president of the united states. I don't care if you think that's irresponsible. I don't care if she bans ice cream sundaes. I am voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton in November, and nobody can friggin' stop me.

This November? You really are eager to vote for her.

 

[Pyrokai]

It's funny hearing the "I'll move to New Zealand" from conservatives whenever faced with the prospect of a Democrat US president. You realise we're even more socialist than any Democrat would ever be, right?

There's not a first world country on earth more conservative than the US. They have zero places to move if they want to keep the same standard of living.

 

[Not]

And now I'm going to do my best to ignore seven nineteen months of the world's stupidest people saying the world's stupidest things

 

[HalfBakedProphet]

I'm voting for her no matter what she does just so we'll have a democratic female president of the united states. I don't care if you think that's irresponsible. I don't care if she bans ice cream sundaes. I am voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton in November, and nobody can friggin' stop me.

you're voting a year early? That's commitment!

Spoiler

This November? You really are eager to vote for her.

beaten

 

[Gambit 1138]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/06/1260721/-The-Nader-Myth

Gore lost to Bush because nearly half a million registered democrats voted for Bush in Florida. Nader did not spoil the election, ffs. Gore spoiled the election in Florida for himself, nobody else is to blame.

My ass they did. Florida rigged it

 

[ivysaur12]

Sorry, but I'm calling it hard. Hillary will have the vote of all the recently 18-year-old's who were raised by tumblr. "Get a woman in there" will be the mentality if there is a sudden surge in young voters. Thats just a fact of life.

Because it's either a cool hip woman or another old white guy, and he's a republican? Gross. Republicans are smelly and democrats are hip.

Both parties are equally rotten and hollow jokes of establishments that are unhealthy ingraned into our political system because "well someone had to do it" and they're too big to fail, just like everything else here is.


Sorry, got off topic, I was in high school during the first Obama election and it was honestly entirely a race thing. There was the rare person who actually knew his views but the mentality was "Obama is cool let's make the first black president a thing! We can vote now! Let's make history!" And if politics were brought up it was dismissed with "have you SEEN" the other guy?

Like, 90% my peers and even some teachers acted like this. the teachers were the most disheartening, because Spanish class became "lets make history you're democrats right?" class, and everyone who was in there loved it.

I have no party affiliations and voting, for most people, this is the equivalent to reposting something on social media to make a difference.



EDIT:


see?

Or maybe Democrats tend to do well with younger voters because... they tend to do better with issues that resonate with younger voters? It's sort of a ridiculous argument, regardless (and based on anecdote). I'm not even sure what it is you're arguing? That people are only going to vote for Hillary because she's a woman? That's not particularly grounded in reality.

 

[Box of Kittens]

Sorry, but I'm calling it hard. Hillary will have the vote of all the recently 18-year-old's who were raised by tumblr. "Get a woman in there" will be the mentality if there is a sudden surge in young voters. Thats just a fact of life.

Because it's either a cool hip woman or another old white guy, and he's a republican? Gross. Republicans are smelly and democrats are hip.

Both parties are equally rotten and hollow jokes of establishments that are unhealthy ingraned into our political system because "well someone had to do it" and they're too big to fail, just like everything else here is.


Sorry, got off topic, I was in high school during the first Obama election and it was honestly entirely a race thing. There was the rare person who actually knew his views but the mentality was "Obama is cool let's make the first black president a thing! We can vote now! Let's make history!" And if politics were brought up it was dismissed with "have you SEEN" the other guy?

Like, 90% my peers and even some teachers acted like this. the teachers were the most disheartening, because Spanish class became "lets make history you're democrats right?" class, and everyone who was in there loved it.

I have no party affiliations and voting, for most people, this is the equivalent to reposting something on social media to make a difference.



EDIT:


see?

If Hillary wins this election, her being a woman will have little or nothing to do with it, just as Obama being black had little or nothing to do with his election. Obama ran a very good campaign and people were tired of Republicans because Bush had failed so miserably.

As for using the term "social justice warrior" in a serious fashion, yeah...

 

[TheHeretic]

There's not a first world country on earth more conservative than the US. They have zero places to move if they want to keep the same standard of living.

Eh, Singapore is very conservative. the UK & Australia aren't that far from the US either.

 

[Not]

This November? You really are eager to vote for her.

you're voting a year early? That's commitment!

Spoiler

beaten

lol yeah. Every November until she's president.

Spoiler

it's not 2016?

 

[Log4Girlz]

Eh, Singapore is very conservative. the UK & Australia aren't that far from the US either.

Lol...HAHAHA

 

[teiresias]

Sorry, but I'm calling it hard. Hillary will have the vote of all the recently 18-year-old's who were raised by tumblr. "Get a woman in there" will be the mentality if there is a sudden surge in young voters. Thats just a fact of life.

Because it's either a cool hip woman or another old white guy, and he's a republican? Gross. Republicans are smelly and democrats are hip.

Both parties are equally rotten and hollow jokes of establishments that are unhealthy ingraned into our political system because "well someone had to do it" and they're too big to fail, just like everything else here is.


Sorry, got off topic, I was in high school during the first Obama election and it was honestly entirely a race thing. There was the rare person who actually knew his views but the mentality was "Obama is cool let's make the first black president a thing! We can vote now! Let's make history!" And if politics were brought up it was dismissed with "have you SEEN" the other guy?

Like, 90% my peers and even some teachers acted like this. the teachers were the most disheartening, because Spanish class became "lets make history you're democrats right?" class, and everyone who was in there loved it.

I have no party affiliations and voting, for most people, this is the equivalent to reposting something on social media to make a difference.



EDIT:


see?

You heard it here first, people. The first black president was elected just because he was black. Damn that affirmative action.

 

[Agent_Carnage]

I cant wait.

I was sad when she dident get the nom in 08. I got to shake her hand when she came to Ohio few weeks before the 08 election that is one memory that will stick with me for rest of my life.

 

[D4Danger]

Eh, Singapore is very conservative. the UK & Australia aren't that far from the US either.

Not even close. Some of the nut bags you have in power make the Tories look like hippies.

 

[lastplayed]

It's funny hearing the "I'll move to New Zealand" from conservatives whenever faced with the prospect of a Democrat US president. You realise we're even more socialist than any Democrat would ever be, right?

Yeah, we're all socialist commies who've had two female prime ministers, one of which was joined by four other women in the top 5 positions of authority in the country!

 

[Fox Mulder]

It's pretty pathetic how barren the democratic side is with serious or even interested candidates. I dont see Hillary coming anywhere close to getting people fired up like Obama.

The Republicans base will have the fire after 8 years of a dictatorship and their candidates will be tested in a brutal proper primary.

 

[Deleted member 80556]

Sorry, but I'm calling it hard. Hillary will have the vote of all the recently 18-year-old's who were raised by tumblr. "Get a woman in there" will be the mentality if there is a sudden surge in young voters. Thats just a fact of life.

Because it's either a cool hip woman or another old white guy, and he's a republican? Gross. Republicans are smelly and democrats are hip.

Both parties are equally rotten and hollow jokes of establishments that are unhealthy ingraned into our political system because "well someone had to do it" and they're too big to fail, just like everything else here is.


Sorry, got off topic, I was in high school during the first Obama election and it was honestly entirely a race thing. There was the rare person who actually knew his views but the mentality was "Obama is cool let's make the first black president a thing! We can vote now! Let's make history!" And if politics were brought up it was dismissed with "have you SEEN" the other guy?

Like, 90% my peers and even some teachers acted like this. the teachers were the most disheartening, because Spanish class became "lets make history you're democrats right?" class, and everyone who was in there loved it.

I have no party affiliations and voting, for most people, this is the equivalent to reposting something on social media to make a difference.

This is some revisionist history right here, not to mention the use of SJW as a prerogative term. Specially here.

 

[johnny956]

Eh, Singapore is very conservative. the UK & Australia aren't that far from the US either.

UK and Australia both have universal health care right? Pretty sure republicans have tried to repeal obamacare over a 100 times and it's nothing compared to what those countries offer

 

[D4Danger]

It's pretty pathetic how barren the democratic side is with serious or even interested candidates. I dont see Hillary coming anywhere close to getting people fired up like Obama.

The Republicans base will have the fire and their candidates will be tested in a brutal proper primary.

do any of them believe in climate change?

serious question.

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

 

[Pizza]

Or maybe Democrats tend to do well with younger voters because... they tend to do better with issues that resonate with younger voters? It's sort of a ridiculous argument, regardless (and based on anecdote). I'm not even sure what it is you're arguing? That people are only going to vote for Hillary because she's a woman? That's not particularly grounded in reality.

Sorry, but if someone walks up to me, says theyre making history by voting obama and they have no idea what his stance on anything is, my conclusion is that they're making history by voting someone of a certain race into office, not because of their party affiliation.


I was never saying it's the ONLY reason a candidate would win, and many rational people probably have plenty of reasons for voting for said candiate that are completely grounded in research and reality.


But there are drives of people who have no idea when their much more influential local voting polls are, or what the issues even ARE. those people will be giving the candidate their "let's make history" votes and will be giving their campaign the hype train that gets more people on board.


To lots of people, politics is nothing political. For every couple people that read this and think it's absolutely false, there are hundreds more who don't read anything and pick out what candidate looks best. and one of those is a woman. And now that easily swayed person has decided theyre making real-life history.


Not insulting Hillary, but I'm sure she knows this. She's riding on two terms of the first black president, who is a member of her party, who she supported, who already has had the young vote. All she has to do is walk in and wave and she knows she's already swayed votes. Politics is incredibly manipulative, and I think it'd be insulting the intelligence of her team if they haven't found a way to say "let's make history twice" for all the virgin voters.


EDIT:

This is some revisionist history right here, not to mention the use of SJW as a prerogative term. Specially here.

Look, I wasn't rewriting history, merely stating my own. Thats what happened to me in high school. it was shitty and stupid and insulting to the political system, but it happened. sorry. And there are plenty of sjw's who are idiots. Every group has idiots no matter how noble the group's intentions.




If anyone was insulted by anything I've said, think "did pizza just describe me?" If you answered "no" I'm honestly not talking about you, or trying to lump you with a group of poor decision-makers. At all. I vote with good intentions, and I know that my fellow gaffers here do too since you're all here having adult conversations. I'm not worried about you having poor reasoning for your votes, but other people out there don't give a shit about politics but feel obligated go vote for president.


I'm worried about them.