rofif
Banned
on ps5 too?
That's trash and another shot at physical games
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Hogwarts Legacy requires internet for Day 1 patch
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That's trash and another shot at physical games
Lucifers Beard
Member
I'd rather the game launched in a perfectly playable state than require day 1 patches to work. For console gamers this means that the game will be unplayable with an offline console in years to come.
NomenNescio
Dual Sense Edger and Blower
Patching a game after it goes gold should be forbidden by government.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
That's not true. Consoles don't play games off the disc anymore, the disc only installs to the hard drive. All the disc does is sit in the tray, so the console knows you have it. It has literally nothing to do anymore with the game being playable or not. What you're saying stopped being true with the Xbox One/ PS4 generation.
The_Observer
Member
It's mindboggling how many corporate bullshit apologizers are in here.
Do you like being bitches to others who dictate what and when you can do? Sure seems like it.
For a fully offline game there is no excuse for not putting a fully offline playable game on the disc. Period. If it can't work without the day 1 patch then that game is not ready to ship. They could do it in the past, they could do it now if they wanted to. But they want control over you and you are even apologizing for them. Ridiculous.
Yes, almost every gamer has internet, but the internet can go down or away anytime. Servers can go down anytime etc. And you won't be able to play your physically owned fully offline game. Even after so many fails with this, you just don't get it…
Do you like being bitches to others who dictate what and when you can do? Sure seems like it.
For a fully offline game there is no excuse for not putting a fully offline playable game on the disc. Period. If it can't work without the day 1 patch then that game is not ready to ship. They could do it in the past, they could do it now if they wanted to. But they want control over you and you are even apologizing for them. Ridiculous.
Yes, almost every gamer has internet, but the internet can go down or away anytime. Servers can go down anytime etc. And you won't be able to play your physically owned fully offline game. Even after so many fails with this, you just don't get it…
Makoto-Yuki
Banned
I don't care.
If you don't have a stable internet connection in 2023 then you shouldn't be playing video games.
If you don't have a stable internet connection in 2023 then you shouldn't be playing video games.
Physical is on the way out if you hadn't noticed already....
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Dr. Wilkinson
Member
OMG. Like, literally every game you've played in the last 5 years has had a day one patch.
xellos2099alpha
Member
That completely fair; so many leak footage these days
Makoto-Yuki
Banned
and patches have been common for the last ~15 years on consoles.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Wrong. it's internet connection to download the patch. Which installs to your hard drive. It has nothing to do with needing to connect to the internet to play the game. What you're saying only applies to a always-online required game, and in those cases, i agree it's bullshit. Needing the internet to download one patch, one time? Don't agree with the outrage at all.
I don't understand why anyone would actually ever need to do this, ever, but you could literally unplug or turn off the wifi on your console after you install the patch, and never connect it online ever again.
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rofif
Banned
I know and I have mixed feelings. I am buying all ps5 games physical... even rebuying some of my favs from pc. I lik the box, gadgets, steelbooks and owning a game that is "sorta" mine and works as is
The_Observer
Member
Okay, this is not the worst contender, but it's still a problem. Imagine for any reason you have to reinstall this game in the future but there is no internet, no servers, etc. You can't play it. I may think radically about this, but if I buy something then I want control over it.
NomenNescio
Dual Sense Edger and Blower
I know. That's the problem. They ship things that aren't actually finished.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Sounds like a general topic discussion for video games in general.
In your specific example, of a clean hard drive with no install of the game already, and also no internet connection, yeah you're screwed. As you would be with any console and many other games. It's an industry-wide problem, I agree.
Makoto-Yuki
Banned
Don't get me wrong, I loved having a physical box but there is really no point these days. The day my digital games stop working then physical games will be reduced to what is on the disc. For yeeeeears the content on the disc was far short of the full game because we needed patches/dlc/expansions to get the full experience. Imagine buying a game like No Man's Sky or Cyberpunk on disc and being stuck with what you got on the disc. Now we're at the point where the the entire game is inaccessible or simply non existant on the disc and we can't play it unless we have an internet connection. The time to argue for preserving physical media has long passed. If we really cared for and appreciated physical media we should have put a stop to this in like 2006.
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DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
I seriously don't give a shit. I don't want them to hold the release back a couple months just so they can ship discs with v1.0.0 for the hypothetical tiny minority of gamers who don't have internet.
I also don't care about hypothetically 20 years from now being able to dust off my old PS5 and play v1.0.0 straight off the disc, of a game that will probably have several post-launch updates + probably expansions and a remaster down the line.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I probably has the last portion of the game included as the patch. I've heard of various games that do that.
nkarafo
Member
As you can see, half of users in this topic defend always online. For no reason other than "i have internet".
It will become the standard for all games soon. Sim City was too early, if it was released today it would be fine. This is a slowly boiled frog situation. People will accept anything if it's pushed slowly and often enough.
For most, even for many people here on GAF, games are single use consumables. People don't care about owning things anymore or have control over them. They are OK with being dependent on the good will of whatever services they put their faith to. I don't understand it either. I mean, i get it with stuff like streaming, it's at least more convenient for the average Joe. But in the case of local single player games being always online there's no benefit at all for anyone. Nothing. It's an extra dependency with nothing to offer. And yet they are so willing to defend this. That's the average gamer for you and we will all get what we deserve in the end.
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Dr. Wilkinson
Member
It went gold at the normal time that games go gold before they ship. It means the game was done enough that they felt comfortable sending the master to get printed onto discs. Disc printing, shipping to retailers, etc takes time. Hence why developers love the 30-45 days after a game goes gold to immediately get to work on even more bug fixing and optimization, to make the game the best it can be on day one.
They're also shifting focus on optimizing the game for last gen/Switch.
Stamps1646
Member
I took a big step this year and purchased one month of the internet, I'm ready to go.
SportsFan581
Member
It is and isn't. It's still relatively rare for games to require a day one patch to function (meaning the version on there is so broken that it literally can't function, or for logistical reasons they printed the disks before the game was "gold"). Most of the time you just get a badly bugged version on the disk, but you can still start it (as long as your console isn't updated enough to know that a newer version of the game exists).
The point he made is true though, doesn't matter about the install. If the game didn't require a persistent online connection, the game is playable as long as the disk exists if it is complete on the disk. However, if the disk requires a download and the system associated with it no longer existed (maybe PS9 uses a different storefront entirely and can't support these games) the disk is useless because the download isn't available.
As has been said though, I agree that the days of the disks acting as a form of preservation are long over.
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IFireflyl
Gold Member
I don't think there is an issue with needing the internet in order to get the patch. I think this is only an issue IF the game is unplayable without being forced to download the patch. This is an issue because it makes the disc for the single-player game completely useless without an internet connection. Nobody should be arguing with this take because it is common sense. Disc-based media (for non-online content - meaning this wouldn't apply if the game were an MMO or something like Destiny) shouldn't be rendered inoperable because a patch hasn't been downloaded. But again, we don't know for certain that the game itself will be unplayable without downloading the patch. I think it's better to wait and see how it is being handled instead of assuming the worst and sharpening the pitchforks.
SteelCurtain 59
Member
I'll never understand the anti-Day 1 patch propaganda, are the developers supposed to sit around and do nothing in the time between a game "going gold" and release day? Or just arbitrarily push a patch that improves the game to a week or so later?
Puscifer
Gold Member
Dude you even see the issue? The disc is basically useless unless you "patch" the game it might as well be digital only
Gideon
Member
This game will 100% have microtransactions, it's friggin WB, they put lootboxes in a singleplayer game, it's just a matter of when they will put it in.
Krathoon
Member
Yeah. The disc might as well be a drink coaster. That is annoying. It just becomes a license to play the game.
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Nydius
Member
Or Switch, at this point. I don't remember what the largest physical switch cartridge capacity is. 64gb I think? IIRC almost no one uses them because they're cost prohibitive compared to the lower capacity cards. Almost every single Switch game I've bought in the last year has needed a day one patch to be properly playable.
Please show me where this has ever been said. Because this hasn't been the case since late in the X360/PS3 generation when they added the ability to install the game from the disk to the console's hard drive. It's never been the case on PC, where disks have always just been a compressed installer. Even if you got a modern game that could run entirely from the disk, it still wouldn't because the throughput speeds of the disk drive wouldn't be adequate enough to do so.
The "purpose" of still buying it on disk is to retain your consumer copyright protections. Your right of first sale. The fact that the disk is just an installer is irrelevant, because you can still sell it or trade it or do whatever you want with it. You can't do that with digital.
While I will fight vigorously against always-online DRM'd games, Day 1 patches aren't that.
If you want to live in a gaming world with out them, you need a time machine.
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
You can sell the disk.
That is a pretty big difference.
This really seems like a "just give up it's not changing" thing for physical game buyers. I get the argument and have some sympathy, but we are years past any publisher caring about this argument.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Exactly right.
Elysion
Banned
There was a recent AMA on Reddit by a guy who had an early physical copy, and he seemed to be able to play just fine without the day one patch (since I assume the patch isn't available yet). He didn't report any major technical issues either. And I doubt his game was required to be always online, since in that case Sony and/or WB would know that there are people playing it early, and they could just shut it down.
Krathoon
Member
It is just good form for a company to put a working game on the disc on consoles. There is plenty of room for it.
I know they stopped doing that with pc games. They just put part of game on a dvd with the online installer.
When I say "working game", I don't mean that it runs directly off the disc. I just mean that it is a complete, functioning game that can be installed on the console.
I know they stopped doing that with pc games. They just put part of game on a dvd with the online installer.
When I say "working game", I don't mean that it runs directly off the disc. I just mean that it is a complete, functioning game that can be installed on the console.
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DeaDPo0L84
Member
(People posting on neogaf which requires internet) "This is a travesty, just another reason to boycott the game!".
daffyduck
Member
ZoukGalaxy
Member
Obviously, but the thing here is that the patch is mandatory: you can't play the physical game offline or without the patch unless all others existing physical games (with some rare exceptions with the same kind of shit).
That's like selling a game on a disc you can't launch.
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Esppiral
Member
Did it required any patch before running it?