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HoloLens - Xbox One streaming AR
- Thread starter etta
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Bingo. What you actually see is just a very tiny, very limited version of what is displayed in these videos. Still amazing technology though.
yeah, well, we have to make this assumption.
Otherwise we'll have people arguing against straw men.
https://twitter.com/Microserf2005/status/671779478398349313
this is a really neat video, though. I'd call that a somewhat accurate depiction of what it might look like to the WEARER, not the DEVICE.
https://twitter.com/EricRi/status/671800762977030144
same with that one.
I think the videos that show HUGE 65" virtual TVs don't really do any good other than showing what the device isn't really capable of.
There's plenty of stuff that HoloLens will be great for.
Virtuall mounting a huge-ass plasma onto your wall for gaming, isn't
Mr. Giggles
Member
To keep the hype up? I dunno honestly
they say its for business applications but they show lots of renditions suited more to general consumers.
For example:
> showing xbox one streaming
> playing youtube vids
> playing minecraft
> Watching TV
But that's not to say they haven't shown any business examples, just a good amount of consumer examples
On another tangent. I can't find official mention of the resolution of the device. But from what I can tell from the aliased edges on that halo screen, it seems like it's running at 800x450? I'm pretty sure my math checks out but I could be wrong. And it's quite possible that they could upgrade that more feasibly than the fov before release.
My mistake, I thought the commercial version was going to be $3,000.
In terms of timing, I think it's still weird to showcase consumer behavior when they've only announced the business version.
Not fake, but I cant say they werent staged like the other ones Microsoft has showed.
yeah, that's another issue of the Halo video imho.
Seeing as it's the "rendering feed" of the device itself, we can't really know for sure how the actual resolution of the virtual screen is going to be.
Dreamwriter
Member
Disagree - if you are 8-10 feet away from the virtual TV, it should be fine at 65", that should fit in the FOV.
This is 100% correct. In my first had experience wearing and using HoloLens, it is in no way like this video depicts.
First off, the image is very dim and poorly lit. Think original Gameboy without a backlight or an old Tiger electronics handheld. Second, the FOV as jax mentioned is very narrow. Imagine having a 4:3 box in front of you hovering in the air. This is where the image is displayed. So if you pan left/right or up/down there is a very obvious cut off where the AR is being displayed and where the image cuts off.
I'm sure in the future once the hardware matures, it will be a much more impressive piece of kit. As of right now though, this is clearly a mock up rendering to anyone who has actually used the device. Satya Nadella himself said HoloLens was still years out and will be targeted at business first.
yeah, might just be, haven't done the calculations. But a big TV isn't actually that "vision filling", you're right. - it's still going to be "cut off" as soon as you look over to your can of mountain dew
. The Halo video (apart from the questionable image quality / resolution) is already WAY more true to life (i.e. "what it's actually going to be like using the HoloLens") than representations like this:
i mean, who greenlit THAT demo?!
Ol No Bones
Banned
I'm just gonna assume anyone I ever see wearing these is in fact watching porn.
Ol No Bones
Banned
These things take time. This is exciting none the less.
Tfault
Member
If you look at the Autodesk video https://twitter.com/microsoft at 1.46 you clearly see the FOV is still not very good. Clipping of objects is shown.
Very excited to see how this tech progresses. Really promising start.
I'm glad these are hanging around!
Still, a good and 'honest' depiction of the capabilities of the device. I like that one.
The FOV isn't "very good" but only in comparison to the bullshot demos that MS gave at the reveal.
Had they not set up such an unrealistic bar with their staged demos, people would be amazed by the device already, regardless of its FoV limitations.
It's still too early to judge Hololens, field of view and plenty of other things are yet to be seen, though i'm already skeptical about the Xbox One streaming cause it looks the same as the stream to a Windows 10 device, which means lag and not great image quality, at least for my poor 7 mega internet connection
Tfault
Member
Agree it's reasonable and certainly can only be improved on.
Unfortunately PR and reality will never meet!
This. Microsoft's straight-up refusal to give a clear and concise demonstration of the actual device and it's displays means that all this stuff is still little more than a concept render.
Renders of the ideal dream scenario that Hololens is aiming to achieve.
Sadly, they aren't even close to realizing it. I'm getting extreme Google Glass flashbacks here where the promo videos all looked amazing but the device itself was complete trash.
Instead of trying to mislead with flashy visuals, just be open about the thing for crying out loud. Let people decide if they deem it worth purchasing instead of trying to blatantly misrepresent the goddamn thing until it hits store shelves.
KurtSloane
Banned
And yet we kbow the FOV is tiny.
When this tech takes off properly it will be impressive, but that big headset for the small square of imagery is not immersive.
When this tech takes off properly it will be impressive, but that big headset for the small square of imagery is not immersive.
Or they are direct feed videos from the device?
Which should make no difference.
But you have to wonder, if the device is truly capable of this, then why does MS keep showing direct feed from these massive custom cameras then?
The implication is that these videos are representative of what using the device is like. If these aren't fully indicative of actual usage scenarios, I'm calling that a lie. I usually cringe when people get a little too flippant with what they call lies when it comes to marketing.
If this is the actual output of the device? That's good stuff.
If this is the actual output of the device? That's good stuff.
When was the last demo they showed using those special cameras?
Maybe they just now got around to implement a functioning record feature.
October
Looks like we are pretty firmly in Milo-territory.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=187467729&postcount=113
Since when has FoV been restricted by anything other than the screen?
Yup. Plus the Star Wars Kinect presentation. I really need to see more to get on the wagon
If it's direct feed from the device, it should show you exactly what you're seeing while wearing the thing. And we know the FoV isn't anywhere as good as that from countless reports.
What we're seeing is a direct feed from the content that the HoloLens displays above a camera feed.
A direct feed shows what is displayed, not how it's displayed.
Anton Sugar
Member
What do you think is fake in the video? The FOV?
Yea it shows the render/output.
Anton Sugar
Member
Asked the Youtube guy for details on whether this is capturing actual output--he previously posted this:
Microsoft's PR department seems to be quite fond of "mixed reality". Didn't know they had a special word for this.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Mixing reality with fantasy is Microsoft PR's speciality!
The HoloLens lot are in a league of their own though. Fantastic timing on these videos seeping out just as that "Troubled HoloLens Development? One Contractor Studio Let Go" article did the rounds.
This all makes that ridiculous giant camera rig at demonstrations they had even more suspect too. Like this whole project is mired in so much smoke and so many mirrors its hard to tell what even was real at any given point.
They didn't come up with the term. To be honest I'm still not entirely sure what the difference with AR is. Perhaps interactivity, I don't know.
Alx
Member
It's semantics, but it seems that mixed reality is a wider definition of anything that involves both virtual and real objects. It includes augmented reality (adding virtual objects in a real scene, like most Hololens demos) and augmented virtuality (adding real objects in a virtual scene, like in an eyetoy game)
Microsoft has reduced thousands of jobs this year were the majority were contract position-related. A reduction of 60 positions at a HoloLens contractor studio is quite insignificant in comparison.
Was the business you work for or science team you work with planning to get this product as soon as it hit the market?
Poodlestrike
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justsomeguy
Member
People saying it's fake or not real, check out http://www.volvocars.com/intl/about/our-stories/human-innovations/pilot-projects-umbrella/hololens.
I know one of the lead people on the Volvo project extremely well. Trust me, it's real, it works, and for the target audience it opens up incredible scenarios.
It's not primarily going to be aimed at consumers on first launch I suspect, and it's not yet even got a release date, so for those wanting detailed consumer focussed videos I'd suggest you need to temper your expectations somewhat. Information and detail will come as we move closer to release, but considering there's a huge corporate market out there, well it's not a massive stretch to imagine there's other ways of engaging businesses than a few videos from the dev team quietly uploaded to youtube!
Edit: Oh and I agree, more field of view shots would be welcome!
I know one of the lead people on the Volvo project extremely well. Trust me, it's real, it works, and for the target audience it opens up incredible scenarios.
It's not primarily going to be aimed at consumers on first launch I suspect, and it's not yet even got a release date, so for those wanting detailed consumer focussed videos I'd suggest you need to temper your expectations somewhat. Information and detail will come as we move closer to release, but considering there's a huge corporate market out there, well it's not a massive stretch to imagine there's other ways of engaging businesses than a few videos from the dev team quietly uploaded to youtube!
Edit: Oh and I agree, more field of view shots would be welcome!