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Homeland Season 2 |OT| It Hits Home

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maharg said:
Well, you know he IS a Muslim.
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lol, I was gonna put almost that exact same thing at the end of the quote but didn't know if it would be interpreted right.

This show has some shaky muslim commentary and while I know they're trying to make note of contemporary American fear and have done better in the past, that shit was straight up racist as hell and makes you like Carrie less and is totally preposterous on top of that. No real upside to pulling that dagger out and opening up poor Galvez's stitches.

Watch Galvez have like no issue with Carrie next season either, despite throwing a manhunt on him because of his religion.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
lol, I was gonna put almost that exact same thing at the end of the quote but didn't know if it would be interpreted right.

This show has some shaky muslim commentary and while I know they're trying to make note of contemporary American fear and have done better in the past, that shit was straight up racist as hell and makes you like Carrie less and is totally preposterous on top of that. No real upside to pulling that dagger out and opening up poor Galvez's stitches.

Watch Galvez have like no issue with Carrie next season either, despite throwing a manhunt on him because of his religion.
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Nah, they've absolutely got to show some fireworks and salt on his behalf since the only reason he got out of that hospital was to help in the search for Carrie. And then she repays him dirty like that. If they don't, then yeah, these writers are way too fucking stupid.
 
I really thought zapping Carrie at the end of S1 and giving her memory loss would create some issues for S2, but I didn't count of them entirely dissolving that plot point and jsut letting her run wild again. What is her official capacity at the CIA anyways? Quinn walked into the interrogation room like he was stunned Carrie was allowed in there, as in because she doesn't actually work for the CIA.

Also, wow @ them doing interrogations literally at Langley. This show really stopped trying to research facts altogether this season.
 
Scullibundo said:
Finale should have Carrie waking up in the hospital bed, having just finished her first electro-shock therapy treatment.
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Honestly, I really think that would be the first time that kind of move would win people back. The show's got no juice left as is and is already prepping it's audience to say farewell to 60% of its content (Brody, Dana, Mike, Jess and yes, CHRIS all go out the window if Quinn pops one off).
 
I don't think it'll happen, but it's what it'd take. The only way I could possibly rationalize where Carrie's at right now is that it's all an act just to get him alone and shoot him herself.

I just can't find any other way to accept this:
"You are a terrorist who was willing to blow up a room full of American government officials. You've been brainwashed by a man I think is abhorant to everything I believe. You made everyone believe I was crazy so they gave me electroshock therapy and took away my job and the trust of the people who's opinions I respect the most. You were complicit in assassinating the vice president of the country I serve. And I wubwubwub you and want to go away with you and have your babies and aren't you just the cutest widdle terrorist in teh whole wide world. Yes, aren't you. Now fuck everything I believe in out of me so my brains fall out because apparently I don't need them anymore!"
 
Watch Carrie prevent Estes and Quinn killing Brody but then he gets assassinated anyways by another terrorist.

"A new challenger has appeared"
 
RatskyWatsky said:
I could definitely see Carrie accidently smothering Brody to death with her intense love, but killing him on purpose? I don't know man...
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She closed a chapter in her life with Nazir's death. I could see her thinking more clearly now, and if Brody has a hidden agenda or some stupid twist, she could kill him... it makes sense for Carrie, but no, I don't think that's what the writers are planning. I have no idea where this is going.
 
they need to be like hbo, they shouldn't be afraid of killing main characters. Brody should have died already or been sent to jail.

but because of the Emmys and the ratings, they will both be alive, in love and on the run from the big bad CIA.
 
Nlroh said:
She closed a chapter in her life with Nazir's death. I could see her thinking more clearly now, and if Brody has a hidden agenda or some stupid twist, she could kill him... it makes sense for Carrie, but no, I don't think that's what the writers are planning. I have no idea where this is going.
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I mean, it would be nice and might serve to redeem the show a little bit, but I just don't think there's any scenario where they kill Brody off the show.
 
Yeah, I don't think television is all that great right now.

Homeland has devolved into mindless entertainment with good acting. Game of Thrones is trashy fun but not much more. Breaking Bad is flawlessly executed silliness.

The only truly amazing shows on TV right now that I'm seeing are Louie and Mad Men. This is not the era of Sopranos/The Wire/Deadwood/Six Feet Under. We even had LOST and BSG going at that time, too. That was a true golden era.
 
Mifune said:
Yeah, I don't think television is all that great right now.

Homeland has devolved into mindless entertainment with good acting. Game of Thrones is trashy fun but not much more. Breaking Bad is flawlessly executed silliness.

The only truly amazing shows on TV right now that I'm seeing are Louie and Mad Men. This is not the era of Sopranos/The Wire/Deadwood/Six Feet Under. We even had LOST and BSG going at that time, too. That was a true golden era.
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Boardwalk. Boardwalk. Boardwalk.
 
Catch up S2; don't start S3.

Back to Homeland. As much as it would have been telegraphed, Galvez should have been the mole. He even popped up last ep when everyone else thought he ought to stay at the hospital when they got the call from Carrie, so he could have given Abu Nazir the heads up.

But if it isn't him then who's left?

Why did the tactical team, when going in to search for a hostile in a poorly lit place, didn't use night-vision goggles but instead flashlights, which their shaft of light would serve as a warning for the the guy that is hiding as to where the team is at, where it is looking at and which way it's going?
 
Saty said:
Catch up S2; don't start S3.

Back to Homeland. As much as it would have been telegraphed, Galvez should have been the mole. He even popped up last ep when everyone else thought he ought to stay at the hospital when they got the call from Carrie, so he could have given Abu Nazir the heads up.

But if it isn't him then who's left?

Why did the tactical team, when going in to search for a hostile in a poorly lit place, didn't use night-vision goggles but instead flashlights, which their shaft of light would serve as a warning for the the guy that is hiding as to where the team is at, where it is looking at and which way it's going?
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Because you are watching Homeland season 2. That is why.
 
In season 1, I was emotionally invested. I was rooting for Carrie to succeed and stop another terrorist attack. I cared about Brody's secret terrorist probs.

Now in season 2, I'm team Quinn all the way. Carrie is insane, time to die! Brody is a moron, time to die! Estes? He can get it too. If the finale goes down this route, I will absolutely watch the next season as well as season 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and the tv movie.
 
kingkitty said:
In season 1, I was emotionally invested. I was rooting for Carrie to succeed and stop another terrorist attack. I cared about Brody's secret terrorist probs.

Now in season 2, I'm team Quinn all the way. Carrie is insane, time to die! Brody is a moron, time to die! Estes? He can get it too. If the finale goes down this route, I will absolutely watch the next season as well as season 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and the tv movie.
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How about they rename the show "Quinn kills everybody and Saul disapproves but lets him do it anyway"
 
Managed to watch it last night.

It was hard to be disappointed when my expectations were so low. It was crappy, but not any crappier than I anticipated.

I'm excited at the thought of the show finally killing Brody, which would offer the potential to get it back on track, but it's almost certainly going to end with Brody and Carrie running away together because Showtime, Gordon et al. are convinced that this is the greatest love story in the history of television.
 
BertramCooper said:
I'm excited at the thought of the show finally killing Brody, which would offer the potential to get it back on track, but it's almost certainly going to end with Brody and Carrie running away together because Showtime, Gordon et al. are convinced that this is the greatest love story in the history of television.
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Maybe Brody will fall in a coma, Carrie thinks he is dead and kills herself, he wakes up and kills himself because she is dead.
 
I'm disappointed they've changed the title from "The Motherfucker with a Turban" to "In Memoriam". I guess that was too hot. :(

About the show's direction though, what the hell are they going to do for the next season ? I never watched 24 so I don't know exactly how it proceeded, but I hear they kept introducing new villains out of fucking nowhere, just to keep "the adventures of Jack Bauer" going. If they straight up introduce a new villain in next's week finale, one that seemingly comes out of the writers' asses, I'm not so sure how I'll react.
 
They're going to have to wrap up this season in spectacular fashion to keep me coming back for Season 3.

I honestly feel like the writers have lost their way though, and there is probably no way to repair things at this point. The executives/producers have decided they've got to keep Brody alive for season 3, and I'm convinced this season will end with he and Carrie fleeing and being on the run for next season.

The Saul/Estes storyline still intrigues me, as I am fascinated by the CIA politics, but the problem with the show is the Carrie/Brody bullshit is always at the forefront.


Crazy ass prediction for the finale:
Quinn is killed by Carrie/Brody as he attempts to assassinate Brody, thus sparking their fleeing together because now they're both criminals/terrorists.
 
I'm looking forward to seeing how they get out of the colossal shit hole they've gotten themselves in.

My guess someone gets shot and we won't be sure their dead or alive until next season.

Could someone help me remember something. Has Brody stopped being a muslim in the later part of the season? They made so much of his prayer time in earlier episodes this season and yet they seem to have excised him even mentioning it.

Was it because he was potentially running for vice pres?
 
Carrie being madly in love with Brody (and even more so the other way around) doesn't make any sense anyways; it's ridiculous and infuriating how the writers jumped to this conclusion right after Q&A. The writers even (seem) to know this given Carrie's little monologue at the end of Ep 4 when she's like "You're a terrorist and a traitor, and you deserve to pay for that." or something and she's rightfully angry at everything Brody put her through. Same with Brody... given she's basically time and time again tried to ruin him, his family, etc.

One night of torture and a stabbed hand is not enough to just magically repair that trust and get them madly in love again. This was never a love story. Fuck you Homeland writers.
 
TruthJunky said:
A few pages back, when the show was in the early stages of free fall, I defended it on the grounds that it is (and always has been) fantasy. But... holy fuck.

The most wanted man in the world travels to Washington DC, sets up shop in a warehouse near the good guys, hatches a plan (if you can call it that) to swap camera batteries for WMDs (wut!?) in broad daylight in the parking lot of a coffee shop. That gets fucked up, unfortunately. So, then, as a reasonable second best, he takes a specific CIA agent hostage by getting into a car accident with her. Why? Well, so that he can convince a triple-crossing terrorist-cum-Congressman (who, evidently, is no longer being surveilled by the CIA) to hand over the serial number to the VP's pacemaker. Why? Well, so that they can remote-hack the guy's heart. Because the VP's heart is connected to the Internet... because he is Robo Cop.

After killing the VP, Abu Nazir's next plan is to chill in the warehouse and eat chips in a barely concealed room. Why? Well, because he's not the sort of guy who would run! (Wut? And why would the terrorist/reporter have specifically said, non-metaphorically, that he would not run away? Was she trying to pwn her boy?) The task force guys apparently sweep the warehouse/chip lair like a half dozen times and don't find the secret room, but everyone seems pretty not-so-worried about it all. Everyone leaves to arrest one of their own guys on a hunch, but it turns out that he just decided to leave the scene without telling anyone because his stitches ripped open. So they all give up. Thankfully, Carrie goes back to the scene and performs well enough in hand-to-hand combat to fuck up Abu Nazir's future of eating chips in the warehouse.
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This is amazing. And I would be utterly incredulous of this if you told me back in season 1 that it was the future of the show =(
 
the walrus said:
Carrie being madly in love with Brody (and even more so the other way around) doesn't make any sense anyways; it's ridiculous and infuriating how the writers jumped to this conclusion right after Q&A. The writers even (seem) to know this given Carrie's little monologue at the end of Ep 4 when she's like "You're a terrorist and a traitor, and you deserve to pay for that." or something and she's rightfully angry at everything Brody put her through. Same with Brody... given she's basically time and time again tried to ruin him, his family, etc.

One night of torture and a stabbed hand is not enough to just magically repair that trust and get them madly in love again. This was never a love story. Fuck you Homeland writers.
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Yep, this is why I find this "love story" business so indefensible. Carrie seemed incredibly lucid once she saw the tape and learned the truth about Brody, and even after "Q&A" seemed to be manipulating him in order to keep his frazzled, nervous self on board and get Nazir. Brody seemed to know he was getting played by all sides, but had no choice but to play along. Just like in S1, it was a story of two people both gravitating toward and repelling from each other.

All of a sudden, she's so in love with him that she will let herself become complicit in a murder plot on the Vice President, and he's so in love with her that he'll leave his family for his daughter's most hated enemy? Yes, there was a spark between them - that's what made S1 so electric. Their relationship never veered into soap opera, dazed lovers territory.

So I'm really confused: what exactly changed since Episode 4 when Carrie called Brody a traitor, a terrorist, and said she was sick of his reeking bullshit? Because all I've seen since then is an emotionally conflicted man whose actions and demeanor would make me more suspicious, not less, if I were Carrie.
 
Leona Lewis said:
Yep, this is why I find this "love story" business so indefensible. Carrie seemed incredibly lucid once she saw the tape and learned the truth about Brody, and even after "Q&A" seemed to be manipulating him in order to keep his frazzled, nervous self on board and get Nazir. Brody seemed to know he was getting played by all sides, but had no choice but to play along. Just like in S1, it was a story of two people both gravitating toward and repelling from each other.

All of a sudden, she's so in love with him that she will let herself become complicit in a murder plot on the Vice President, and he's so in love with her that he'll leave his family for his daughter's most hated enemy? Yes, there was a spark between them - that's what made S1 so electric. Their relationship never veered into soap opera, dazed lovers territory.

So I'm really confused: what exactly changed since Episode 4 when Carrie called Brody a traitor, a terrorist, and said she was sick of his reeking bullshit? Because all I've seen since then is an emotionally conflicted man whose actions and demeanor would make me more suspicious, not less, if I were Carrie.
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Yup. This single point is what makes this season so silly.

Not to mention the writers going off the rails quite frequently, with believability being stretched to it's limits.
 
jett said:
This show is just nonsense compared to the last season, but it's very enjoyable nonsense. If the writers want to retain any sort of self-respect, Brody must die in the next episode.
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I kinda agree with you. It's definitely nowhere near the level of season 1 but it's still been a very enjoyable and engaging season. There are little things though that I don't even consider nitpicking that I'd probably change in many episodes.

I thought when Brody was in the car with the moon reflecting on the window, we'd maybe hear a silenced gun and see blood splattered across the moon.. but nope, he made it through another day. I understand why they probably won't kill him, but it feels to me like they absolutely need to.

I really enjoyed Dana's relationship with Brody in the first season but everything about her has been terrible this season. I know that teenagers are ridiculous but ugh, it's just too much.
 
Last week the VP was the most powerful man in the world (with seemingly no President), apparently running unopposed for the Presidency. This week nobody even cared that he is dead. Quinn even made a joke about the local news' coverage
 
- ‘Dexter’ & ‘Homeland’ Hit New Series Highs
Showtime’s potent duo of Dexter and Homeland delivered more record-breaking ratings on Sunday. The shows’ penultimate episodes for the season posted both series’ highest ratings ever. Dexter drew 2.6 million viewers at 9 PM, the biggest audience ever for a Showtime original series, as well as the best total night delivery ever for a Showtime series with 3.08 million total viewers. Dexter edged Showtime’s previous record, which was held by the series killer drama’s season four finale on 12/13/2009 (2.57 million at 9 PM and vs. 3.05 million for the night). Vs. the previous week, Dexter was up 25%. After eclipsing Dexter for the first time last week when it also posted a series high, Homeland (2.36 million viewers at 10 PM), was up 8% for a new high water mark. The total night garnered 2.6 million viewers, surpassing last week’s total (2.5 million) as the best total night delivery ever for the series.
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sangreal said:
Last week the VP was the most powerful man in the world (with seemingly no President), apparently running unopposed for the Presidency. This week nobody even cared that he is dead. Quinn even made a joke about the local news' coverage
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The joke was so meta-ish too. "Vice President and all they can say is he had a great football career." HMMM, YEA SHOW WRITERS, MAYBE YOU CAN TRY TO DO BETTER THAN THAT.
 
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