yeah, you might be right, anyways, I was bored because I was overwhelmed by so many rules and I actually sucked at denying besides, I don't plan to spend a lot of time learning that stuff as I don't really care about the competitive part of the game and I have limited time to play because on my job, casual play is my style and thats why i like lol better, not saying Dota is bad or anything like that, it is just not as casual friendly as lol
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Hon - Heroes of Newerth - Goes f2p / dota 2 model
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yeah, you might be right, anyways, I was bored because I was overwhelmed by so many rules and I actually sucked at denying besides, I don't plan to spend a lot of time learning that stuff as I don't really care about the competitive part of the game and I have limited time to play because on my job, casual play is my style and thats why i like lol better, not saying Dota is bad or anything like that, it is just not as casual friendly as lol
I really do enjoy the WASD camera bindings, but even when I played LoL, I couldn't stand locked camera. I hate when I turned it on by mistake, then I had to look up the key to turn it back off.
I also put the map on the left side, and realized months later that it was actually the "defalut" mini-map placement in other games in the genre.
I really like the ability to push space to snap the camera to your Hero though, which is why I have "Select Hero Control Group" bound to space bar. Just have to double tap it now.
Some Chinese Business news site recently made a 'conservative estimate' that Dota 2 should likely reach 400k concurrent players in China alone (In the context of the info the Perfect World Entertainment is looking into being the local distributor of the game)
If you can play LoL it doesn't take that much more effort to learn Dota. There aren't really that many extra rules. It's a much more rewarding game too.
Pretty much. Once DOTA2 is open for everyone watch for the big exodus.
I am not sure how much more of an exodus HoN will have, I think they will likely keep half their current player base when Dota 2 goes open, and then it will be a more gradual change of player base. I think those who are left are the ones who do enjoy the changes.
Also, this topic does remind me, that I do wish there was a general Moba discussion topic. While it would likely be a shitfest, I would like to debate with people about the merits of changes between the diffrent games in the genre, and what new small games bring to the table.
I find HoN really grimey and unplesant and the community us pretty hysterical and jerky.
Also the game is riddled with random glitches throughout it's release up to the current version. The most common being texture loads or failing to rejoin games.
"pause. gotta reboot client"
Also the game is riddled with random glitches throughout it's release up to the current version. The most common being texture loads or failing to rejoin games.
"pause. gotta reboot client"
Sold my account on Ebay for 50bucks. Game is terrible.
I don't feel sorry for them knowing the people that work there. Just google HoN racism / homophobia and trust me it's not from the players.
Here are some beautys from the CEO himself (Maliken)
I don't feel sorry for them knowing the people that work there. Just google HoN racism / homophobia and trust me it's not from the players.
Here are some beautys from the CEO himself (Maliken)
Napalm_Frank
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Bestest Moba :3
The Faceless Master
Member
yeah, that takes like 2 hours on 1 round low life.
S2 are an awful company who don't give a shit about their customers, they're only doing this as Dota is coming and even then it's far too late, I mean this is the same company who are happy to sell off regions and block players from playing with their friends.
What? Tell me more. As i said i sold my account after i was fed up with S2's shit so i may have missed some things in the past 6 months.
One of insured's friends (russian) was telling me he got quarantined with SEA when they did that deal with garena and it sounded horrible.
Pinoys everywhere.
Wolf Akela
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Even LoL players don't use fixed cam. Aside from a few champs, even though you control just one unit you're still severely gimping yourself just like any other game in the genre.
LoL is still there to cater to the more casual players. HoN catered to the same crowd as DotA. With Valve's backing, there really won't be a place for HoN.
LoL is still there to cater to the more casual players. HoN catered to the same crowd as DotA. With Valve's backing, there really won't be a place for HoN.
As kirby said earlier, hons players are pretty content with hon atm, and its a reasonably sized player pool.
If they wanted to switch over to dota2 they would have already, getting into the beta isnt hard.
walking fiend
Member
Why did I pay $29.99 for Hon again?
dunno bout you son but i sure as hell got $30 worth of entertainment out of it
walking fiend
Member
Yes, but at least they should still give us some privilege
They did, read op. I'm sure you can now sell your account and make that $30 back.
You could of sold for a handsome profit last week. The only thing you get though now as a legacy player is unlimited tokens.
After playing most of the Moba's, I am pretty sure that is just HoN and Dota 1. LoL has a different flavor of trash talk, and its really not as prevalent in Dota 2 yet.
Before then, there was literally no way to easily get every hero other then buy a Legacy Account. You had to unlock them all over time, or pay huge sums of money. And some people really do like HoN, I think the path they went down is pretty shitty, but opinions and what not.
I really have no idea who thought the art style was a good idea for the game though. Zoid, I summon you to tell me. "Dota 1 is a WC3 mod, and thus Gritty and hard to tell what is going on. Lets just do that."
I may actually go and try out the game some more after this, since I do want to reevaluate a few things about the game now that I have had a good 6+ months with Dota 2.
When I did it for LoL, it was more or less the Meta is the same, the strong heroes were changed up a bunch but still not really that balanced, the no CS for supports mentality that doesn't really work well at all in pubs due to how the scaling is had gained more root (Though I will admit, a carry getting an early lead is also even more important in LoL then Dota, due to how the more expensive items are actually more cost efficient too per stat too), the community was actually worse then when I stopped playing. But, on the bright side, people clearly bought more wards then they used to.
I really have no idea who thought the art style was a good idea for the game though. Zoid, I summon you to tell me. "Dota 1 is a WC3 mod, and thus Gritty and hard to tell what is going on. Lets just do that."
I may actually go and try out the game some more after this, since I do want to reevaluate a few things about the game now that I have had a good 6+ months with Dota 2.
When I did it for LoL, it was more or less the Meta is the same, the strong heroes were changed up a bunch but still not really that balanced, the no CS for supports mentality that doesn't really work well at all in pubs due to how the scaling is had gained more root (Though I will admit, a carry getting an early lead is also even more important in LoL then Dota, due to how the more expensive items are actually more cost efficient too per stat too), the community was actually worse then when I stopped playing. But, on the bright side, people clearly bought more wards then they used to.
Because now its useless? People only bought Legacy accounts because it gave them access to all the heroes.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
HoN is the best moba around =/
Really really?
The graphics are super busy and overly effect-laden and the community... *points at the attitude of the CEO*
In LoL the tribunal would have his behind very very soon.
And this attitude permeates the whole community, huge verbal abuse without consequences.
That's actually the best reason for slow unlocking, if people are invested in their accounts they will take the threat of a ban more serious.
edit: actually, there are only 2 mobas: LoL and DotA. DotA2 is DotA-advanced edition and Hon is DotA.
Hon was so buttery smooth. It's like iOS or JellyBean compared to Dota 2's Gingerbread jank. If you're high apm and are the type to notice or count frames then you will enjoy Hon since everything responds instantly and most animations are interruptable. Orb-walking and spell-canceling was so fun in that game.
Fun times, and I wish S2 the best since they need to keep up the competition and have a lot of decent employees (minus the CEO unfortunately) even though most of our favorite ones have moved on to other ventures.
Fun times, and I wish S2 the best since they need to keep up the competition and have a lot of decent employees (minus the CEO unfortunately) even though most of our favorite ones have moved on to other ventures.
i was actually kind of excited for this announcement. i'm new to ARTS games (with dota2 being my first one!) and was thinking of trying other similar games. i was kind of turned off towards LoL due to all the unlocking and runes and stuff.
then this HoN announcement hits and i hop on over to Garena's website (i'm in SEA) to find out Garena HoN isn't doing this
dota2 forever, then!
then this HoN announcement hits and i hop on over to Garena's website (i'm in SEA) to find out Garena HoN isn't doing this
dota2 forever, then!
I can't see LoL doing this because they survive on their hero model... I can see LoL stagnating though, Dota 2 is pretty much assured to overtake it as the most popular Dota-genre game in my mind. It's the superior game to LoL in practically every way and the original game has a huge Asian following which is bound to boost player numbers once it releases for real (let's not forget, Dota 2 is still technically closed, though you can buy early access).
Good on HoN for moving to this model, it's better for the players and it's better for the game.
Good on HoN for moving to this model, it's better for the players and it's better for the game.
Schweinehund
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Oh wow, may have to reinstall this now and play it for a bit.
Would be nice if riot followed suit but I see no financial incentive for why they would do such a thing.
Haven't played hon in a long time but I don't notice any delay in unit response. It must be animation delay you're talking about. For instance, if you play Earthshaker and use fissure, he takes a few seconds to pull out his totem and slam the ground. Thats the animation playing out. I've had no delays when it came to him starting the animation. I can't remember if behemoth is quicker in his fissure or not.
Person I know that plays LoL played pudge and got angry that the hook didn't come out instantly and missed his hooks on pudge. Also called the game buggy when he hooked tiny bot and then was stunned after he ulted, even though tiny's skill by design has a delayed stun. Its a foreign concept to league players, to be sure.
Would be nice if riot followed suit but I see no financial incentive for why they would do such a thing.
Haven't played hon in a long time but I don't notice any delay in unit response. It must be animation delay you're talking about. For instance, if you play Earthshaker and use fissure, he takes a few seconds to pull out his totem and slam the ground. Thats the animation playing out. I've had no delays when it came to him starting the animation. I can't remember if behemoth is quicker in his fissure or not.
Person I know that plays LoL played pudge and got angry that the hook didn't come out instantly and missed his hooks on pudge. Also called the game buggy when he hooked tiny bot and then was stunned after he ulted, even though tiny's skill by design has a delayed stun. Its a foreign concept to league players, to be sure.
Ahh I see, I didn't realize "legacy" accounts would actually be in demand just for that. I didn't really notice a difference when it went free-to-play because I always had all the heroes (played since beta). I assume that would explain why my team mates would make terrible picks half the time?
Although I like the DOTA 2 art style better, I prefer the effects and animations in HoN simply because they're distinctive and obvious and follow a theme, and their sounds are appropriate and distinctive too. After playing for a while I never had much trouble knowing exactly what was going on, no complaints about it being "too busy". Just look at pyro's awesome fire dragon stun or witch slayer's gravestone stun compared to Lina and Lion, just to name a couple. The whole subtle approach from Valve left me a big learning curve in knowing what everything looks like, and I still have a bit of trouble. That combined with the delay/lag/unresponsiveness/whatever you call it makes doing my job in fights a lot harder.
Also each HoN hero/alt avatar also has a distinct theme which I liked, DOTA heroes tend to be a bit bland in comparison (but are coherent and consistent in DOTA 2 with the art style I guess). I do like what Valve have done with the context-appropriate voices though.
Edit:
This is the type of delay I'm talking about (ping usually around ~150ms which should be fine considering I'm in NZ). No such problem in HoN.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuI8p1pIAVw
Also are attack animations supposed to reset in DOTA 2 when I right-click something even though I was already attacking that thing? Does anyone else get this? I know it's kinda off-topic but it'd be nice to know.
I actually completely forgot about this stupid piece of shit and the fact that the owner of the company used the term "faggy" to describe what he wanted out of it until I saw your post.
So I guess I should say, I feel bad for some of the people working there. For more than one reason, now.
Honestly things like this are why I dislike the communities for these games. Too elitist and unapproachable.
If you think I'm elitist, then yeah, MOBA isn't for you. Locking your camera on your character severely hampers your vision of the map and the area around you. It's pretty much like gimping yourself.
Getting used to the moving camera doesn't take long.
Oh, it has little to do with the camera thing and more to do with your overall attitude.
You know why they dont know? Because they have to wait for a rotation or grind/buy a hero to actually play it.
So obviously I don't work at S2 anymore now that I'm with Riot, but I feel like I have to chime in here.
It's not as simple as "let's just run our own game in X region". The amount of resources needed to launch and maintain a game internationally is insane. There's a ton of governmental regulations (for example, games in China MUST be published by a Chinese company), you ideally need to have local support staff, etc. And S2 is a very small company (roughly 20 artists, around 5 programmers, 5 designers, and 10 everything-else). To say they "sold out" is baseless and ignorant.
Hey Nome, if S2 goes under make sure you get Mercenary out of there (Mercenry JRP or something). He seems like a cool dude (if you even know him, I think he's the interface programmer).
I am aware this would pretty much be out of your hands.