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How can people not like 'Nintendo Games'?

I dont like anything Disney/Buena Vista produces.

I also dont like movies that start with the UNIVERSAL logo.

Do some of you really not see the fishiness of these claims. It just screams of (not so) hidden agenda to me.
I hate "some", even "most" I can accept. But nothing? son please
 
vasametropolis said:
The different taste argument is rubbish; it's more like a reluctance to taste. A good game is a good game, period. It might not be your favourite game, or something you would play super often, but surely there is at least one Nintendo franchise that some individual could enjoy.

Saying you don't like Nintendo is like flat out saying you don't like Pixar movies. Sure, they're not all fantastic, but there are some objectively great ones.

I mean, I would say even though I don't like a ton of Sony's games and the only current MS exclusive I still like is Halo, there are still a couple that I consider to be fantastic.
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Well that's kind of a funny coincidence. I don't like most pixar movies either haha.
 
I can understand it at this point. If you don't like the core Nintendo characters, there is a good chance you won't like most of their output as they are used in so many games. For instance, if you simply don't care about Mario and co., there is a whole bunch of first party 3DS games that will simply be unattractive to you.

The only series I usually care from Nintendo are Fire Emblem and Zelda so most of their offerings aren't interesting to me. I don't see how that is hard to understand.

I also don't see an issue with people that say they don't like Nintendo games. Why the big deal with this? People say all the times they don't like games from big companies like EA who also have a diversified library and people don't make a huge deal out of it.
 
Jamix012 said:
Before you comment, please read the OP. In the past few months I've noticed quite a few posters saying that they "don't care for Nintendo games" or a a statement of similar intent. I can't really get my head around that statement though, are there really people don't appreciate any Nintendo franchises?
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I don't appreciate Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, or Metroid. I wouldn't say I have no interest in any game Nintendo has ever made, but I have interest in so few as to mean effectively the same thing.

I liked Rhythm Heaven, for example. And Advance Wars was interesting. But their "system sellers" don't appeal to me with any consistency. As a fairly conservative system purchaser (I am completely happy to buy no systems at all for a full generation and just play on my PC), that means that "an occasional quirky title here and there" simply isn't sufficient to hold my interest. I'm sure the same basic logic applies to many one system owners; if you are only buying one system, a few occasional interesting titles from Nintendo simply isn't sufficient, and I'm fairly sure the easy way to say this without go in to elaborate detail is "I don't really like Nintendo games."

I would also point out that this isn't some new trend or something; people have been disinterested in Nintendo's franchises for quite a long time. It may be new to you, but that doesn't mean the behavior just recently sprung in to existence.
 
vasametropolis said:
The different taste argument is rubbish; it's more like a reluctance to taste. A good game is a good game, period. It might not be your favourite game, or something you would play super often, but surely there is at least one Nintendo franchise that some individual could enjoy.

Saying you don't like Nintendo is like flat out saying you don't like Pixar movies. Sure, they're not all fantastic, but there are some objectively great ones.

I mean, I would say even though I don't like a ton of Sony's games and the only current MS exclusive I still like is Halo, there are still a couple that I consider to be utterly fantastic. It has nothing to do with taste. Great games have to be acknowledged as great.
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MS and Sony fanboys would praise the hell out of Nintendo games if they were exactly the same but carring a Sony/MS logo in the cover instead.
 
Derrick01 said:
That's what it says. Nintendo games have always been like that though, it's just as I got older I couldn't really put up with it anymore.
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Metroid's too easy? Zelda's too easy? The latter levels of 3D Marios are too easy?

At least give me some examples, I can't quite wrap my head around your premise.

Their only series that's blatantly easy is the Kirby series as of late.
 
I do really like Nintendo games, but all their non-party games I've played since N64 are just SOOOOOOO Japanese. I play western games, so I'm used to western games, so playing Nintendo games and not getting full voice acting and all these text bubbles feels old to me.
 
I've personally never been too fond of the Nintendo games I've played.

Even going back to my childhood, my friends wanted to play Super mario, I wanted to play games like Double Dragons and Battletoads. Even as an eight year old, I couldn't stand the aesthetics of Mario games.

The ones I have enjoyed were Pikmin, WW before it got really tedious, and Smash bros.

I find their games to nosedive in enjoyability after a few hours. Metriod, Mario games, Zelda (I still plan on giving SS one last shot), Mario Kart, all the same story.
 
I tried some of their games and didn't like them. Aside from Metroid Prime, but even that one wasn't so amazingly good to make me want to play the sequels, just ok. If I search really hard I might find something else that I like, but I suppose you could say the same for every publisher that has a big catalogue (unless they're specialized in shovelware).

edit: now that I think of it, Nintendo is publishing Bayonetta 2, so I guess there is a Nintendo franchise that I like!
 
Why are people listing games? Is the idea for the thread not trying to understand the thought process behind the apparent dismissal of Nintendo products as a whole? Posting lists of games doesn't do that.
 
Jamix012 said:
Before you comment, please read the OP. In the past few months I've noticed quite a few posters saying that they "don't care for Nintendo games" or a a statement of similar intent. I can't really get my head around that statement though, are there really people don't appreciate any Nintendo franchises?

I'm not saying that there aren't certain games that people cannot appreciate. I for example am not really a fan of the Metroid Prime series, despite it's high praise but I find it almost inconcievable that there are people out there who genuinely don't like ANY Nintendo franchises.

There are so many Nintendo made games that are released to high praise spanning a multitude of genres that it seems almost impossible for such a large number of people to make the blanket statement that they "don't like Nintendo games." Granted there may be a tiny tiny fraction of a percentage of people that, even if they played every Nintendo game ever release, would not enjoy them but again surely this is only a tiny fraction.
So my question is, are people just "judging a book by it's cover" or are there are actually reasons why certain people dislike Nintendo games as a whole?
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I like dark and gritty games generally, or at least games with a realistic aesthetic. I like open world/sandbox games, first person (shooters, rpg, whatever), high fantasy/medieval art direction. Obviously, not every game needs to feature all of this, but these are some of the features I like in the games I play.

I've played Goldeneye and Xenoblade, both of which I really enjoyed. But outside of that, there's nothing else I was ever interested in that wasn't being represented on a different platform in a way I preferred. I -wish- I liked Nintendo, because who wouldn't want another avenue of games and IP's to explore. But Nintendo generally does not make any of the games I like to play. I'm not anti-Nintendo, they're just a poor fit for me. Always have been, and likely always will.
 
Foxix said:
Well that's kind of a funny coincidence. I don't like most pixar movies either haha.
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Thing is, Pixar has a rather limited, focused output. One alot easier to categorize as belonging to the same "type" of movie. Nintendo, not so much.
 
Nintendo makes great games as evident by their rich history of quality titles, mechanically most of their games are superb. They control and feel well, that is the Nintendo stamp of quality

The problems come tough when you are suppose to care about the world, the characters or the story. That has never been their strongest suit. Perhaps the only game i enjoyed just running around in was Super Metroid, that was a game where i wanted to explore every inch of the map, not just for gameplay purposes but because the game oozed atmosphere and you just wanted more of it.

The Mushroom Kingdom/Hyrule/etc are just not as interesting places (for me and many others) to explore as say Liberty City, Silent Hill etc. I do not want to explore or talk to this yellow Toad guy about some tips he has for me, i do not want to collect these hidden items/stars that serve no purpose other than making a number bigger.

I do not know if this is connected to the "kiddy image lulz" thing, i find Nintendo games fun to play, but i never really care about anything that happens in them. There are a few exceptions to the rule like EarthBound, few Metroid games and a few others but their biggest titles are mostly just games you play for the tight controls and fun gameplay.

Even my favorite Nintendo game of all time and of my all time favorite games ever, Link to the Past, i do not really care about the story or any of the characters. They could remove every sentence that has anything to do with story and i would barely notice it was gone.

And that is enough for me most of the time, but i can understand why people who need a stronger narrative and purpose and thus cannot stand most Nintendo games. And sometimes will often look at the most popular titles like countless Mario titles and judge Nintendo solely based on that.

When people say they want more mature games from Nintendo, the common reaction is that people then believe they want more blood and gore. But i think they just want more purpose to the whole thing and a better delivered narrative than some paperthin premise about going off to rescue a princess from a giant dinosaur.
 
When I was a kid, I was ecstatic opening Zelda: Ocarina of Time on christmas. I played that game night and day, and was totally immersed in the story and setting. I eagerly awaited a sequel, but didn't care much for Majora's Mask. Fast forward a number of years....

I was gifted a Nintendo Wii, because I never was really all that attracted to any games on the console enough to buy one. I decided since I already have the system, I'll pick up Zelda: Twilight Princess - reminiscing of the excitement that OOT brought me when I was younger.

I bought TP, played it for a few hours and seriously considered quitting the game and letting it collect dust. The magic of the story-telling was gone, I didn't care for the characters, the world, the bad guy, the good guy, whatever. I finished the game eventually, but more out of an obligation to see it through, not out of excitement or engagement. I think this experience sums up Nintendo franchises for me - I just have a hard time getting invested in the characters and story.

I know, I know, I should give Skyward Sword a try cuz "it's awesome" but I'd rather not waste the money on a gamble.

Edit: Into said it pretty well ^^ I echo those sentiments.
 
MYE said:
I dont like anything Disney/Buena Vista produces.

I also dont like movies that start with the UNIVERSAL logo.

Do some of you really not see the fishiness of these claims. It just screams of (not so) hidden agenda to me.
I hate "some", even "most" I can accept. But nothing? son please
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Well there are different blokes and blokettes out there. It's not always about hidden agendas.
 
If you search a bit on GAF you will be able to find a thread where someone hates every single thing you like. It's a normal thing. Especially movies, no reason why videogames will be different. Just remember, there is someone out there who thinks that every single film by Tarantino is completely garbage, and that's ok.
 
Always-honest said:
I disagree. But i'm aware there is no way to convince you. Just play what you like.
But i wonder how old you are and what you mean with much younger crowd.
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I'm in my mid 20s, the games feel like they're for preteens for the most part, or adults who don't play games often who need simpler types of games to be able to get into.

I don't mean it in an image way, like "ugh I can't be seen playing this kiddy shit", it's more like "these are too mechanically simple for me to be able to get into and enjoy".
 
SonicMegaDrive said:
I know some people that refuse to play Nintendo games out of principle because they're too 'kiddy'.

Some of these guys are in their 30's. Yeah.
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What's wrong with that? Not everyone likes every type of art style. I don't like "kiddy" art style, I prefer something more realistic. It was also a big con for FF9 imo.
 
I still remember when Sony came to the Auburn University campus with a playable demo of PlayStation All-Stars and some dweeb wouldn't stop running his trap about how much he hated Super Smash Bros. and its characters and how no one would care about Smash ever again once All-Stars came out.

He was playing the demo the whole day, too. It's obvious many of these people desperately want to play Nintendo games, but are too stubborn to go against their convictions.

Sad.
 
I will never understand fanboyism, neither denial. I mean people CAN or CAN'T enjoy Nintendo Games, whole of them or part of them. Is this so hard to understand?
 
Can somebody list me the examples of great nintendo games from say the last two years?

Metroid for example is a great series... But from a long time ago now.
 
Always-honest said:
Sure, nothing wrong with different tastes. I think a lot of people doubt that taste is the limiting factor in a lot of cases.
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I truly believe that's all it is. I mean, I love a good steak. My wife doesn't care for steak at all, everybody likes different things. It's not a difficult concept really.
 
Into said:
The Mushroom Kingdom/Hyrule/etc are just not as interesting places (for me and many others) to explore as say Liberty City, Silent Hill etc. I do not want to explore or talk to this yellow Toad guy about some tips he has for me, i do not want to collect these hidden items/stars that serve no purpose other than making a number bigger.
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That's not the kind of game, say, Mario 64 is though. If you tried to make the Mushroom Kingdom a place like Liberty City it would get in the way of what they were trying to accomplish with that game. It would be a waste of time for them and the player.
 
Look, I'm a hardcore Nintendo fangirl and think their output is wonderfully diverse (I'm the one who posted the list of non-platformers earlier), but I even I must concede...

Nintendo's weak/non-existant genres:

First/Third Person Shootng
MMORPG
Character Action
Adventure/Visual Novel
Horror
WRPG
Racing Simulation
Sandbox
"Uncharted" style (not sure what to call this)
Stealth
Realistic Sports

As well as hyper-realistic/brooding/grey/"mature"/gory/gritty games in general.

Also otaku games...I guess we could say eroge too. :P


I actually could understand someone's gaming tastes being limited to within the confines of what's listed above.

Believe it or not, there is a middle ground between "dudebro Nintendo hater with narrow taste" and "delusional Nintendo loyalists." Just saying, I don't see why we need to pick on each other's tastes like there's something wrong with not liking Nintendo; even if I myself am baffled at the idea of not liking them.
 
Derrick01 said:
I'm in my mid 20s, the games feel like they're for preteens for the most part, or adults who don't play games often who need simpler types of games to be able to get into.

I don't mean it in an image way, like "ugh I can't be seen playing this kiddy shit", it's more like "these are too mechanically simple for me to be able to get into and enjoy".
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There is soooo much wrong with this. People cannot see what's right in front of them. There are plenty of complex game mechanics in Nintendo games. ESRB rating "E" means it's for everyone, not just children.

I find it odd some people like Crash Bandicoot and Ratchet & Clank, yet they won't give a Nintendo game the time of day. I'm not suggesting you are this person, it's just an example.
 
I still like Nintendo's games, but I haven't been blown away by a single one of them since the N64 days. Their hardware is too far behind, and they haven't really taken any risks or done something unexpected with their franchises.
 
People in this thread saying Nintendo can't do a good story have obviously never played Majora's Mask, Xenoblade, or (especially) Mother 3.
 
Sadist said:
Well there are different blokes and blokettes out there. It's not always about hidden agendas.
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I'm not saying its impossible to deslike every single thing UNIVERSAL does, but its pretty fucking wierd and most like a very rare case of someone who has to hate alot more of everything else to make me believe such a claim.

If that same person also happens to enjoy most of what FOX and PARAMOUNT offers then I'm sorry but lol
 
73V3N said:
lol

and



the word "genre" is nowhere in that post.
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Yes, Smash is a fighting game. Explain to me how its not. And that post says other companies do those games better, hence someone can think Smash is inferior to other fighters by other companies.

Smash Bros. is not a genre that is only occupied by it Sony's clone.
 
BlackJace said:
Metroid's too easy? Zelda's too easy? The latter levels of 3D Marios are too easy?

At least give me some examples, I can't quite wrap my head around your premise.

Their only series that's blatantly easy is the Kirby series as of late.
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Kirby has always been easy. The original was the first game I ever beat when I was a kid.

But yeah, I don't think "easy" is really a fair generalization because Nintendo does make some hard games. I doubt many people would describe the F-Zero series as easy.

You could really say the same thing about any publisher. I think a comment like "I don't like Activision games" or "I don't like Sony games" is similarly ridiculous because they make a variety of games and it's unlikely someone could play all their output and not find a single game/series that they like. And Nintendo dabbles in a wider variety of genres than just about any other publisher, though some do show up far less often than they should.
 
Off the top of my head.

Mario and it's various spin offs while they have solid gameplay for the most part have nothing that compells me to play them l. I couldn't give two shits about the characters because they are paper thin in terms of actual presence.

Zelda holds nothing that I desire out of games. The combat looks simple, the exploration tedious and the design is not the type of fantasy that interests me.

Metroid should be the series I like it's bounty hunters and space and shooting but the monster design drives me away.

Pokemon is literally the only compelling series for me and much if it is based in nostalgia and I feel it's completely underutilized.
 
spirity said:
I like dark and gritty games generally, or at least games with a realistic aesthetic. I like open world/sandbox games, first person (shooters, rpg, whatever), high fantasy/medieval art direction. Obviously, not every game needs to feature all of this, but these are some of the features I like in the games I play.

I've played Goldeneye and Xenoblade, both of which I really enjoyed. But outside of that, there's nothing else I was ever interested in. I -wish- I liked Nintendo, because who wouldn't want another avenue of games and IP's to explore. But Nintendo generally does not make any of the games I like to play. I'm not anti-Nintendo, they're just a poor fit for me. Always have been.
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This is a good example of what I'm talking about.

Of course there will be fanboys who insist they hate everything Nintendo has ever made with a passion, but generally people will be more like Spirity. When they say they "don't really like Nintendo games," what they really mean is that Nintendo games appeal to them rarely enough that they don't pay a lot of attention to their output and probably aren't willing to buy a system on the back of a couple of titles.
 
I don't like Nintendo games. I don't like platform games enough to be excited about playing Mario games. I don't like Zelda-type action-adventure games. I do like kart racers, but not enough to buy a system just for Mario Kart. I like Metroid, but again, not enough to buy a system just to play it.

I agree with the other posters who have said that they don't like Nintendo's generally throw-away storylines. I like characters that have more depth than children's books.
 
In my opinion

Nintendo games: Mario, metroid, Zelda.
Playstation games: Gran Turismo, MGS, Final Fantasy
Xbox games: GoW, Halo, CoD

Its easy to see that it is fully possible to just stick with one of the above. Although there are more games out there, thosr examples manifests my own perception of what the consoles represent.
 
Luigi's Mansion is a superb example of how game design is an art form. It takes gameplay mechanics and utilizes them in an interesting way, environments that react to you, reasons to replay and discover new aspects of a level you missed on the first and second attempt.

Nintendo are masters at their craft, they make mistakes sometimes, but their overall content is among the best the industry has to offer.
 
Nintendo creates games which largely share a very specific identity, one that is marketable to all ages and that doesn't offend. The problem for some, is that the majority of Nintendo software falls in this brand identity which is designed to cater to the needs of many people at once - and so this necessity to cater to all doesn't appeal to specific sensibilities and tastes of certain people (I'll generalise and say males age 18-30) so for some it's very easy to assume an ideal that nothing that Nintendo offers is anything they'd like. It's not about the individual games, or the quality of those games, it's about the Nintendo ethos woven into their products that doesn't appeal to certain people.
 
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