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How can people not like 'Nintendo Games'?
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Mihael Mello Keehl
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So it Nintendo bought platinum would bayonetta be a Nintendo game then?
When I started gaming Nintendo didn't really matter here, it was all about Amiga, Atari and later on PC. So availability and chance shaped my taste in gameplay and aesthetics, I don't think there's much more to it.
For example, I grew up with bard's tales RPGs, and then dungeon master, eye of the beholder etc. So I adored Grimorck now and had more fun with it than I did with Skyrim (which I hate anyway) or even Risen (which I loved). I'm now more excited for Might & Magic remake than I am for any console blockbuster.
I have no idea if Grimrock can subjectively be called a superior game to Skyrim and Risen, but I guess because of nostalgia and because of being used to these types of games I loved it.
I'm not saying anyone who likes any Nintendo game does it for nostalgia reasons, I couldn't know since I've only played a couple of old Mario games years back, perhaps they're technically outstanding. I'm just saying that for me early gaming experiences is probably the reason I'm not attracted to what I see about Nintendo games, and don't really care to try them out.
So on the one hand not growing up with consoles I'd be the 'judge a book by its cover' type the OP mentions.
On the other hand I was always drawn to Final Fantasy games, even though I didn't get to 'know them' early on, and the gameplay was pretty alien for me since my first Final Fantasy was FFX, but my mind was blown away and I adored it.
Who knows, perhaps I'd love some Nintendo franchise and just don't know it.
For example, I grew up with bard's tales RPGs, and then dungeon master, eye of the beholder etc. So I adored Grimorck now and had more fun with it than I did with Skyrim (which I hate anyway) or even Risen (which I loved). I'm now more excited for Might & Magic remake than I am for any console blockbuster.
I have no idea if Grimrock can subjectively be called a superior game to Skyrim and Risen, but I guess because of nostalgia and because of being used to these types of games I loved it.
I'm not saying anyone who likes any Nintendo game does it for nostalgia reasons, I couldn't know since I've only played a couple of old Mario games years back, perhaps they're technically outstanding. I'm just saying that for me early gaming experiences is probably the reason I'm not attracted to what I see about Nintendo games, and don't really care to try them out.
So on the one hand not growing up with consoles I'd be the 'judge a book by its cover' type the OP mentions.
On the other hand I was always drawn to Final Fantasy games, even though I didn't get to 'know them' early on, and the gameplay was pretty alien for me since my first Final Fantasy was FFX, but my mind was blown away and I adored it.
Who knows, perhaps I'd love some Nintendo franchise and just don't know it.
Mauricio_Magus
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specially when it comes to Zelda, I hate the first 2-3 hours of tutorials and zero difficulty the whole game.
equippedwithtowel
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This just in, The Last of Us is no longer a Sony game.
hastethedav
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I've gotten to the point of enjoying games that have good stories to tell and love seeing where the sequels may take me. Nintendo games give me the feeling of a pick up and play for a bit and walk away feel. Not saying they are bad games, the quality is there I just cannot get engaged, if I want that gaming experience I'd rather do a quick level on my phone or something when I have a spare minute.
Doesn't help the Wii didnt entice me at all and I missed out on any goodness that console may have provided. I think the main problem is I get attached to stories and cannot justify buying a console for 1 main entry in certain series per generation, let alone buying a console for 3-4 games ill actually spend a decent amount of time on. The abundance of Mario in every game doesn't help either, since he is a mostly silent protagonist, I need dialogue and some explanation/motivation for me to look forward towards when going through a level. I just bought a surface pro and oh boy would I love some Mario on it to jump in every break I get while at school
Doesn't help the Wii didnt entice me at all and I missed out on any goodness that console may have provided. I think the main problem is I get attached to stories and cannot justify buying a console for 1 main entry in certain series per generation, let alone buying a console for 3-4 games ill actually spend a decent amount of time on. The abundance of Mario in every game doesn't help either, since he is a mostly silent protagonist, I need dialogue and some explanation/motivation for me to look forward towards when going through a level. I just bought a surface pro and oh boy would I love some Mario on it to jump in every break I get while at school
learnedhand
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I have a deep emotional desire to punch Mario in the throat.
And this is why. My family couldn't afford game consoles. When I was young , I had a dickhead friend down the street (the kinda person you and your friends hang out with because they have cool shit or a hot sister) and I coveted his rad game setup. Not only did he have all the Star Wars action figures (including this badass millineum falcon replica) but all the Nintendo stuff too?! But he was such a douche! It was then I realized life is an unfair clusterfuck devoid of all reason. And to this day, i still blame Mario.
True story.
And this is why. My family couldn't afford game consoles. When I was young , I had a dickhead friend down the street (the kinda person you and your friends hang out with because they have cool shit or a hot sister) and I coveted his rad game setup. Not only did he have all the Star Wars action figures (including this badass millineum falcon replica) but all the Nintendo stuff too?! But he was such a douche! It was then I realized life is an unfair clusterfuck devoid of all reason. And to this day, i still blame Mario.
True story.
StreetsAhead
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Perhaps it is merely a technical distinction, because the end result is currently the same, but the games on Wii U, at least, are linked to an account. The account itself is (at the moment) linked to the Wii U hardware it was created on. However, unless plans have radically changed, you will be able to log into and post on Miiverse via smartphones and the web once those applications launch. I believe the Wii U even prompts you to log in from a pre-existing account when you go to create one, you're just unable to do so at this moment.
So Donkey Kong Country Returns, Mario 3DLand, Smash Bros, Fire Emblem, Skyward Sword, Bowser's Inside Story, Xenoblade Chronicles, Super Mario Galaxy 2, a bunch of DS titles, etc, etc... were all bad/mediocre games?
See, this is the kind of broad statements that I just cant take seriously. It just comes off as hyperbole just to make a point come across as fast and as loud as possible.
Bayonetta 2 and every upcoming PG game would. How is this even a question? lol
equippedwithtowel
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This is the point in the thread where I shill for Fire Emblem (and the tons of Atlus goodness on the 3ds).
sechsterangriff
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I originally made an analogy with Bayonetta, a funded and published game by SEGA. Take your own conclusions.
Schrade
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I grew up with Vectrex, Commodore 64/128 and then Amiga. I never got into the NES or Sega systems. Most of those games seemed very primitive to me when compared to the computer-based games I was playing.
What I really don't like about most games on Nintendo platforms is the sickeningly kiddy-themed everything on them. The sounds, the simple visuals, the menu designs, the chunkyness of everything... blech.
Just does not appeal to me at all. It's really hard to get past that. Sure, there might be some fun gameplay in there somewhere but ...ugh.
What I really don't like about most games on Nintendo platforms is the sickeningly kiddy-themed everything on them. The sounds, the simple visuals, the menu designs, the chunkyness of everything... blech.
Just does not appeal to me at all. It's really hard to get past that. Sure, there might be some fun gameplay in there somewhere but ...ugh.
1st party games/owned IPs (done inhouse or not).
Like many other studios with names of their own, Monolithsoft is still part of nintendo. They worked on Skyward Sword too for example.
Dion Blaster
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In went through a funny phase. The Wii was the reason I bought the PS3 (and sold the Wii), but then eventually I felt like I was missing way more by skipping the Wii than I did by skipping the PS3 or 360 (for my tastes). So for a while I played them equally after buying another Wii, but then the PS3 broke and over the past year or so realized there's not a lot on it that really calls to me. I can see someone feeling the same way about Nintendo games. It's really more about having to pay for an entire console to experience these games, and if they're not appealing enough to you to make that investment you're gonna miss out on a lot of stuff you may have liked but that you can live without. Which is why I'm still not sure if I'm getting a PS4, but know I'm getting a Wii U at some point. (Steam makes going "Nintendo-only" much easier, even if I can't run all the newest games.)
akachan ningen
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nintendos owned monolith since the beginning of the game cube days.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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I dont even know why you even wasted your time playing them
Dion Blaster
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This doesn't even register as a criticism. Did you actually type that with a straight face?
akachan ningen
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yep
Mauricio_Magus
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Whoa, whoa, whoa.... slow down. I own every Nintendo system. I love Nintendo. How is what I've said uninformed? Have they not released a Mario / Zelda game on almost every hardware platform? All I'm saying is, MAYBE some people are sick of Mario games or sick of Zelda games. If you're talking about other Nintendo games that don't fall under their major IP's then what's the point? It's a generalization. Do you think people that say they are "sick of Nintendo" are actually sick of all these other one-off Nintendo games? Do you think they mean Pikmin? This is the double edged sword of Nintendo being known mostly for their first party games on their systems. They are almost entirely associated with these core IP's in the public conciousness. Sony and Microsoft have this problem too to a lesser extent with things like God of War, Uncharted, Halo and Gears. The thing is, people generally buy Nintendo systems for Nintendo games. For those core IP's. When people start getting sick of those core IP's it rubs off on Nintendo as a whole. Call it uninformed if you like, but it's a generalization. It's the public perception.
shinra-bansho
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I think you confuse apathy or a lack of strong interest, in the face of personal endearment towards Nintendo's franchises, for active dislike.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Dion Blaster
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Is Dark Souls mediocre because "it wasn't even as good" as Demon's Souls?
Mauricio_Magus
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I'm personally sick of Zelda games and 2d Mario games are mostly meh. That's the point of this thread, Mario/Zelda are not Nintendo
that's a great list tbh
Randolph Freelander
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ViewtifulJC
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Whyreggielie has a very good point. A lot and I mean most people I know who love Nintendo always had people to play locally. The local multiplayer on Nintendo consoles are one of the most quintessential features as to why so many are fans.
If you game by yourself or online there's not as much incentive to get a Nintendo console. Granted there are many great single player and online multiplayer games but I honestly think that locally is where they shine.
If you game by yourself or online there's not as much incentive to get a Nintendo console. Granted there are many great single player and online multiplayer games but I honestly think that locally is where they shine.
akachan ningen
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nope, because it did so many new things that it was like a whole new game. When I play a sequel or follow-up I want it to either be different or way better than the first. an expansion pack is not good enough for me.
bbbutt all those high rated metacritic games...
Conciliator
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I don't like a lot of what they're doing these days, but there are innumerable Nintendo games that I love if you look at their whole history. I probably haven't loved a game by them since SMG2 though, unless you count Xenoblade.
3What about a list with sales data?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Wii_video_games
Saying people dont like Nintendo games just blows my mind.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Stop talking about facts!
Their games are very cloying/saccharine and often feel too self-celebratory/self-congratulatory, like they're just totally in love with themselves and their legacy. They feel built for people who share in that love and for someone without that connection, it's just lost on me and off-putting; like I'm playing something for some weird cult. Their very popular series also tend to be very iterative and, on the whole, are plain not as good as they used to be. These are some of the qualities that make it hard for me to get into Nintendo games, though these didn't seem to be as prevalent if at all in the old days (NES,SNES, maybe the N64 too). The only Nintendo game I've beaten in the last decade basically is Metroid Prime 1, which I felt avoided most of that (and was quite good).
The forced gimmicks aren't helping, whether its motion stuff or multiple screens on the handheld and console side. All the gimmicks serve to do is change my stance from "maybe try every couple of years" to "don't bother."
The forced gimmicks aren't helping, whether its motion stuff or multiple screens on the handheld and console side. All the gimmicks serve to do is change my stance from "maybe try every couple of years" to "don't bother."
hastethedav
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If I had the extra cash I would dive into portables. I actually finally got PS+ and downloaded "The Cave" and it reminded me of a more Nintendo-esque experience and I'm having a good time with it. I HATE motion controls so I look forward to getting a Wii U a few years down the line for cheaper and exploring the library of Nintendo games. I suppose it's also an issue that none of my friends like video games and Nintendo games are best played with others I feel.
ON that note......having grown up GLUED to my Gameboy playing Pokemon...
If Nintendo brought out a Pokemon game skyrim 3rd person style with the visual style of the cartoon.....OH BOY!
Open world, progression systems and a decent story/motivation....I would gladly pay hundreds....
I suppose the best comparison would be to Final Fantasy style combat to be just like the oldies but with fable-style exploration. I think i'd cry tears of joy.
Dion Blaster
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I think most people consider Mario Galaxy 2 a bigger improvement over Galaxy than Dark over Demon's Souls. Regardless, in both sequels the core mechanics are largely unchanged, there are just new levels, new powers, and some tweaks in how challenges are overcome. I will admit the big disadvantage Nintendo has when it comes to sequels is lack of story, it is easier to pump out 2 or 3 nearly identical games if people are invested in seeing where the story goes.
Mauricio_Magus
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I like the approach Miyamoto does story wise, it's a less is more kind of thinking. Sadly it didn't work with Paper Mario
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peaceiscloser
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I know a lot of people who say they don't like "Nintendo Games" as if they were their own genre.
But I am 100% sure there is at least ONE Nintendo game out there that every gamer will like in some form or fashion. There's just so many of them now that if you don't like ONE, then you really are some 10 kinds of tasteless.
But I am 100% sure there is at least ONE Nintendo game out there that every gamer will like in some form or fashion. There's just so many of them now that if you don't like ONE, then you really are some 10 kinds of tasteless.
AstroNut325
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I was a Nintendo exclusive gamer until I got a Dreamcast. Then I never looked back. I got burned out on Mario's, Zelda's, Karts, and just about everything. It also made me, painfully, realize how ignorant I was by neglecting PS1!
equippedwithtowel
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You can't go.
I need someone to make me simultaneously hyped and disappointed in Pikmin 3.
Ok. I guess I just feel like Nintendo work pretty damn hard to associate themselves and their image with exactly those IP's. To the point that their generation generally begins in earnest when those games launch. Blaming the gamers and the general public for being "uninformed" is a little rough when Nintendo don't do a whole lot to distance themselves from being the Mario and Zelda machine. When your marketing strategy relies so heavily on those major franchises you'd do well to use them wisely. Whether they have done that or not in recent times is up for debate.
MisterLuffy
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I remember being a Nintendo fanboy back in the days, but now not so much. I do love playing Nintendo games especially the classics like NES, SNES, N64, Gameboy, etc. I miss when games used to be so good back in the days.
Mauricio_Magus
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I get what you mean too, they don't go out of the way to market themselves with anything aside of Mario/Zelda... I think they are just having a hard time going to the HD era and they thought a 2D HD game would make everyone go crazy when it didn't. TP/SS are decent but no way was good as OOT/MM/WW, it's just been hard for them as a whole.
While the 3DS IS DOING AMAZING, I'd recommend you to check it out, Super Mario 3d Land is fantastic, we got Fire Emblem: Awakening, Luigi's Mansion 2,Kid Icarus, Animal Crossing soon... so mush AMAZING Nintendo 1st party support(and Atlus sending their heavy titles, it's heaven)
It seriously seems like everything amazing about Nintendo atm is happening to the 3ds
I read the op. it oversells the sustained variety available in nintendo titles.