Dreams-Visions
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nope, I still don't understand. You posted FarCry like it's the best example of PC gaming at the time PGR came out. I don't understand why. Are you just under that impression? Are you confused about something?
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nope, I still don't understand. You posted FarCry like it's the best example of PC gaming at the time PGR came out. I don't understand why. Are you just under that impression? Are you confused about something?
You're compared two wildly different games that came out years apart. Next you'll be asking why antifreeze doesn't taste like Mountain Dew.
Thunder Monkey
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I can't believe they're seriously arguing like that.
Wiktor
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Using PGr3 is pretty weird though, considering 360 started the first console gen that didn't really beat PC at launch. SNES, PSX and PS2..heck..even Xbox 1 did, but 360 bassicaly launched on PC level. Some titles had some advantages over PC, but were inferior in other areas. It was the first time when I looked at console launch games and didn't think "damn..I wonder how long till PC has those graphics"
Thunder Monkey
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The difference is night and day!
I thought that in theory it was able to output all 15 bit colors at the same time through blending of different layers, pretty sure Donkey Kong Country used this trick to get more than 400 colors on screen at the same time, but meh.
Wiktor
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Terribly bland art style aside pretty evenly. Had worse shader usage ,but better ligting engine than anything on consoles and back then 360 couldn't handle the game without serious downrages.
Since you said PGR looked like "CRAP"...
PGR3 Vs. Real Life (PGR "bottom")
Crysis Vs. Real Life
Both are visually astounding games. And Crysis takes the cake.
MrCookiepants
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Well, that's probably due to all the better looking console games that were out then.
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I guess as other have stated that the PS1 and somewhat the PS2/Xbox did have better looking games. PS3/360 was beaten day 1 if you had a powerful computer. But it will propably never happen again. Consoles will never be about getting the best looking games. They are however pretty cheap and have other advantages.
Thunder Monkey
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I know. But he said PGR looked like crap.
Wiktor
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I said it looked like crap compared to Crysis and it does. PGR3's grephics are extremely primitive in comparision and picking few petite screens (which helps to masks low-detail of PGR3), which aren't even direct-feed, doesn't change that.
...compared to Crysis. And it kinda does, honestly.
XANDER CAGE
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How did Condemned look on PC when it launched?
Actually, I guess the fairer comparison would be: how did Condemned run on PC on a relatively mid-range gaming PC at the time? Was it a looker for PC, or were there games out that had it beat?
Actually, I guess the fairer comparison would be: how did Condemned run on PC on a relatively mid-range gaming PC at the time? Was it a looker for PC, or were there games out that had it beat?
While the cars are low detail... The environments are far.. FAR from low detail.
Do yourself a favor and check out the photo thread on GAF.
No spaceships on Xbox screen, clear win for the PC.
Wiktor
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Compared to Crysis they aren't impressive detail-wise, what's more, they're very small and filled with low-res textures.
Thunder Monkey
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He said the environments were flat.
For the most part they are. There's beauty there, but mainly in artistic ability.
I'm asking if you understand why the comparison you made at the outset is worthless? Because they are completely dissimilar games. PGR had constricted linear levels. It's a racer. Like comparing a fighting game to a FPRPG. Different constraints, different limitations.
Are you kidding? They're the most detailed racing environments in any videogame. And this is not hyperbole.
The amount of detail is insane.
Bizzare Creations modeled entire cities and then made tracks around them.
Not every track is flat. There is elevation. Like I said BC modeled entire cities like their real life counterparts and then made it a racer.
Condemned didn't come out on the PC until much later, and it was clearly a console port with little to no effort put into it. Oblivion is a better comparison since they were released at the same time, and in that case the PC version is superior but not by a huge margin.
eh, i seem to remember 360 and ps3 coming out and having good graphics, and a computer outputting same graphics required expensive video card/computer . even then, expensive computer didnt seem worth it, because almost all games were exclusive to 360 and ps3, yah? now everything has come out on pc pretty much.
and isnt the main problem that game devs are not optimizing computer video cards and cpus? if they were, surely pc could have amazing looking uncharted/halo/god war looking games, yah?
and isnt the main problem that game devs are not optimizing computer video cards and cpus? if they were, surely pc could have amazing looking uncharted/halo/god war looking games, yah?
XANDER CAGE
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Ah, right.
I bought Oblivion on 360 and PC at the same time and spent much more time on the 360 until I upgraded my PC. I think I was still running an ATI X800 or something, from when Doom 3/Half Life 2 came out, and the game didn't run so hot on the 1024x1280 monitor I had at the time. Plus, my TV was widescreen. Are there any direct comparisons from 2006 or so?
Wiktor
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I'm not following racing games much ,buf if those are still considered the most detailed cities racing games ever had then I feel sorry for the fans of the genre. Is it really this behind times compared to other games? I mean, crap...plenty of current console-centric sandboxes have much more detailed cities than PGR3.
Thunder Monkey
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This is why consoles set the baseline.
Why they don't set the bar for technical excellence. There's always hardware with more effective power. It just may not be properly utilized... ever. But any time it's running a game at a higher resolution, with higher precision effects you're talking about a considerable leap in capability. Taking into account software rarely being optimized to the specific hardware like it tends to be in the console arena.
Your argument still doesn't make any sense... but at least I see where this is coming from.
We're talking about the texturing on those buildings. Terrific art direction, but every texture is flat. Or at least I was.
I think it's time you played PGR3 or PGR4.
Maybe if it was on PC it would have been more appreciated.
Wiktor
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I think you're letting nostalgia blind you.
The art direction is real life photographs. lol But I understand what you're saying.
The game is all about photorealism.
Thunder Monkey
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Startlingly detailed textures... that you're not going to see often. But they are detailed. They just don't appear to have much in the way of normals. Seem to have just standard bumpies applied.
Still, you're being too harsh on the game. Bizarre has some of the best crew of art designers out there in racer land. Second only to Polyphony, but can do 3x the work, in half the time.
XANDER CAGE
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PGR3 and 4 look fucking incredible, but let's not forget that they are among the jaggiest messes on the system.
Thunder Monkey
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Why did I even get into this argument?
I don't like racing games or Far Cry.
I don't like racing games or Far Cry.
Yep. Put them on the PC @ 60fps and they would look god tier.
Kameo made use of certain graphical effects that we didn't see on PC to the same degree. It had things like light shafts(you could see dust floating in the air in the light shafts, this was very impressive at the time), parallax mapping(FEAR was the other big game during this era that made impressive use of parallax mapping but IIRC it was only for bullet holes in the walls), and geometric instancing(this is how they got so many models on screen at the same time).
Edit: Kameo came out in 2005.
Rare had some wizards back in the day. Apparently they were able to program N64's SGI graphics chip more efficiently than SGI themselves.
Also interesting looking back at reviews of Turok, that intolerable pc elitism apparently was of all ages
http://web.archive.org/web/20000310110345/www.pcgamer.com/reviews/1101.html
Also interesting looking back at reviews of Turok, that intolerable pc elitism apparently was of all ages
http://web.archive.org/web/20000310110345/www.pcgamer.com/reviews/1101.html
Backfoggen
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Let's just say that I found some of the games on 360 highly impressive even though having pretty much played only PC games up until that point.
Joseph Merrick
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amiga was better than everything at the time. amiga power
M°°nblade
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I remember Kameo being HD instead of your SD vid and at least as impressive than HL2 or Doom3.
Actually, even today it still looks better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nhfCwhuQ58
Obviously. It was still doing things technically that most other games weren't and was widely considered the best looking game available for it's time.
It was a full year later. If you accept the premise, that's a long time for a console exclusive to have the graphics crown.
It came out later because it was the 360 killer application and Microsoft wanted to keep it exclusive. It's not like PCs wouldn't have been able to handle it. This is another factor that makes comparisons difficult (and pointless).
Sentenza
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Exactly. The whole "my favorite best looking game was on that platform" is a silly argument.
The point is if PCs at the time were at least as capable as consoles in terms of technical capabilities. And, well, they were.
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Haha I went from a 1600x1200 monitor to a 1920x1200 monitor around when this gen started. The monitor cost my bro and I roughly 700$
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