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How do Shenmue I&II run on nullDC?

I have audio for all character dialogue. Maybe you were using the other version of the undub? There's a version designed to be burned to 80 minute CDRs. In order to get it to fit on a single disc, some content had to be ripped out.

The only problem with the undub is that a few of the lines show up with Japanese text. It only happens in unimportant FREE conversations and it doesn't happen very frequently.

i watched someone play that version of the undub and the voices arent missing, they're just in the wrong order. npc conversations constantly play the wrong audio files or skips them entirely if they dont match up.

from what i can see there are 2 different undubs by different people. one just drops the japanese dialogue in directly which are sorted differently than the english version leading to fractured and broken npc conversations, and the other which has properly sorted audio but seems to be prone to bugs and crashes at a certain point.
 
Demul doesnt have that problem

Aye, been keeping my eye on that. Will give it a try on my new rig in the next coupla months (I5 4690k, 8gb ram, either a 970 or a 980 depending on cashflow!).

I have a VGA box for the Dreamcast so honestly I don't really need it, but widescreen hacks and the like will interest me until Sega pulls its head out its arse.
 
Aye, been keeping my eye on that. Will give it a try on my new rig in the next coupla months (I5 4690k, 8gb ram, either a 970 or a 980 depending on cashflow!).

I have a VGA box for the Dreamcast so honestly I don't really need it, but widescreen hacks and the like will interest me until Sega pulls its head out its arse.

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Using Demul with the DX11ng plugin which is the most accurate to date (Resolution is locked to the DC internal res though, just need to find a CRT now)

Also guys, I didnt manage to download or find the US to PAL save converter anywhere :(
 
For people using the undub, are the free quest conversations still mostly silent or have bugged audio to you? It's the main reason I switched back to English.

There are some silence in the majority of the characters but it doesn't bother me as I'm much more used to hearing Ryo in his native language than English. Besides, all of the cutscenes are fully voiced, which counts for me. Plus, I get the benefit of transferring my save file to the sequel.
 
Trying out demul right now but I'm getting a lot of screen tearing. Emulation is MUCH more accurate though. Such a godsend since my dreamcast shit the bed.

I might try to change dx11 settings soon. I'm doing 1x resolution with vsync. Rig is a 970 with a 5820k
 
Demul is the best, I've tried both, and Nulldc is so glitchy, the only thing wrong with Demul is some odd sound and music sometimes, but the game runs and looks bloody fantastic.
 
Only tried NullDC but simply cannot reload my save. I've heard it is a 60Hz issue but not sure.

That's a massive deal breaker, obviously, if my saves can't reload (though recognisable in System menu under VMU).
 
Holy shit space harrier works in demul

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Which build did you use? I just tried demul07a_110715 at 4X native and I'm getting crazy framerates in the intro scene. I only have an i7 @ 3.4 GHz. No OC.

Only tried NullDC but simply cannot reload my save. I've heard it is a 60Hz issue but not sure.

That's a massive deal breaker, obviously, if my saves can't reload (though recognisable in System menu under VMU).

nullDC is a bit tricky if you're trying to play the PAL version of the undub. Suspend saves in particular are a problem. Here's what I did:

*Manually set the emulator to EUR region rather than Default.
*Choose VGA instead of PAL. This way, you skip the entire 5 second test at the start of the game. I'm pretty sure that test results in VMU bugs in certain versions of nullDC.
*Format the VMU inside the Dreamcast menu
*Launch the game and choose New Game

This way, I've been able to load suspend saves as well as the regular saves and the emulator recognizes them properly.
 
It run greatly on a fixed nulldc 1.04 r150 SM-A with my laptop (18"1080p, 2020m 2.4Ghz, nvidia 740m).
I use a extrageom rendering for widescreen and still buggy ds24s8 z buffer for no hud and run it at 720p 60fps with rare drop to 55fps (1080p around 45fps), it isn't a big loss on screen but any dip below 60fps impact badly some sounds like voice.

 
Does it actually run at 60 FPS or are you just talking about what the emulator is reporting? Because even though my version of nullDC is reporting 60 FPS (the emulated screen's refresh rate), the game is running at 30.

I'm 99% sure you can't actually play Shenmue over 30 FPS without using some kind of frame interpolation on your screen.
 
That transparency in Ryo's hair always drives me crazy in nullDC.

I tried demul, but no matter what settings I tried I kept having sound issues. Is that typical or is just my particular setup?
 
Thing is you will be waiting a looooong time in thinking Sega will release a HD version....unless you are willing to wait late 2016-2017 if sega decide to do it to co-incide with the release of Shen Me 3.....they've been dragging their heels over it for the best part of 6-8 years?
 
Does the newer version of DEmul do sound nicely now in Shenmue? I played through all of Shenmue I and there were a few sound effects here and there with the sound balance off. (Some sounds being WAY too loud.)

Meanwhile in Shenmue II no real problems until I got into the South Carmain Quarter where like one of the "instruments" in the day time music was ear blowing loud, absolutely destroying the music there.
At that point I just switched over to NullDC, biting the bullet on the Graphics glitches (Shadows z-fighting is much worse than the problem Ryo has with his hair imo) but on the other hand having non problematic sound.
 
Does the newer version of DEmul do sound nicely now in Shenmue? Like through what I played of Shenmue I there were a few sound effects here and there with the sound balance off. (Some sounds being WAY too loud.)

Meanwhile in Shenmue II no real problems until I got into the South Carmain Quarter where like one of the "instruments" in the day time music was ear blowing loud, absolutely destroying the music there.
At that point I just switched over to NullDC, biting the bullet on the Graphics glitches but on the other hand having non problematic sound.

Only thing I've encountered in Shenmue 1 is the intro with the am2 logo it freaks the fuck out
 
I'm testing the latest build of Demul at 2X now and it's keeping a steady 30. Lots of the graphics bugs from nullDC are gone. Not sure about the sound yet. I may just use this even though my computer obviously can't handle ridiculous native resolution multipliers.

Is it possible to transfer a save file from nullDC to Demul? Instructions would be appreciated.
 
Wow a lot of people on here own the Shenmue 1&2 Dreamcast versions
Crazy considering 2 is around $200

Wow didnt realize we had so many collectors of such a rare game
 
I'm testing the latest build of Demul at 2X now and it's keeping a steady 30. Lots of the graphics bugs from nullDC are gone. Not sure about the sound yet.

Is it possible to transfer a save file from nullDC to Demul? Instructions would be appreciated.

Once you switch to demul and get rid of the shadow pathing bug and the hair transparency you'll never want to switch back. As for transferring saves i don't know if it's possible
Wow a lot of people on here own the Shenmue 1&2 Dreamcast versions
Crazy considering 2 is around $200

Wow didnt realize we had so many collectors of such a rare game

It's not really rare it just jumped up in price with the announcement of Shenmue 3. I bought 2 for $15 not long ago
 
Transferring saves is possible and easy. Copying and Pasting the vmu.bin files from another and renaming worked fine for me.

In DEmul it's vms00.bin and I believe it's vmu_data_port01.bin in NullDC.
(Should do backups just incase, etc.)
 
Wow a lot of people on here own the Shenmue 1&2 Dreamcast versions
Crazy considering 2 is around $200

Wow didnt realize we had so many collectors of such a rare game

Yeah, it's nice to see.

Transferring saves is possible and easy. Copying and Pasting the vmu.bin files from another and renaming worked fine for me.

In DEmul it's vms00.bin and I believe it's vmu_data_port01.bin in NullDC.
(Should do backups just incase, etc.)

Thanks, I'll give it a go.

edit: Worked fine.
 
Wow a lot of people on here own the Shenmue 1&2 Dreamcast versions
Crazy considering 2 is around $200

Wow didnt realize we had so many collectors of such a rare game
The thread is on two pages and it's neogaf. A few people owning a game that only came out in Europe doesn't seem that outrageous.
 
Wow a lot of people on here own the Shenmue 1&2 Dreamcast versions
Crazy considering 2 is around $200

Wow didnt realize we had so many collectors of such a rare game

I walked into my local Gamestop in early 2002 and saw a PAL Shenmue 2 on their shelves. I think it was $70, but I got it anyway.
 
Honestly, I would just burn the bootable disk images of the games to CD and play them on a regular dreamcast. It's very easy and nobody is making any money off those titles right now.

I agree 100% but careful, any time I've ever said anything like this I've had people jump in and be "BUT THE ECONOMY! You support the economy by buying a used copy off eBay!"
 
I've played with the latest build of Demul some more. While it fixes virtually all of the graphics bugs I get in nullDC, the framerate is not as smooth. The emulator is reporting a perfect 30 FPS GPU while the game's framerate is clealy stuttering. It's easy to see by just walking and turning. I can even see this stutter when the Dreamcast logo appears on boot.

This happens even when I run at 640x480 windowed, 1x. The framerate is identical even when I run at 1920x1440, 4x which leads me to believe it's something with the emulator.

Any ideas?

edit: Got it to work perfectly at 1920x1440, 4x. Had to set my monitor to 60 hz and use the in-emulator fullscreen + vsync options. Anything other than that and I get that judder. G-Sync doesn't help.

It's almost flawless now! No transparency problems, the blur is working, no shadow bugs... I even have the ambient rain sound effects!

edit edit: The arcade emulation works as well! This is so great.
 
Wow a lot of people on here own the Shenmue 1&2 Dreamcast versions
Crazy considering 2 is around $200

Wow didnt realize we had so many collectors of such a rare game

When I bought Shenmue 2 it was like $20. I actually own 3 or 4 copies, although 2 of them are Japanese. The price will go down in a month or two, don't worry about it.
 
I see. Got it to work. Must be in a zip file though. Thanks.

I put my roms in the roms folder but it keeps on saying insert disc.

my bad: found it, put it in the gdrom path.
 
So I tried using Demul since the slight NullDC glitches drive me crazy. It runs fine--great even--but I can't seem to find the correct aspect ratio and the models all have seams for some reason. Need to keep fiddling with it.

I like how it actually fixes some of the slow down, though. The bit in the beginning where Ryo helps Ine-san always used to bug me...
 
I had it running fine, but I couldn't figure out the pc keyboard control keys and didn't wanna buy a 360 pc controller so I gave up lol
 
I personally had deal breaking crashing issues. I played through the first two discs of Shenmue 1 on nullDC and every so often I would get a crash for seemingly no reason. I say "seemingly no reason" because, doing the thing that caused the crash in the first place wouldn't crash it a second time. Now given that the game was very playable I would've muscled through it like any other crash prone game. You save often and if it happens you repeat what you lost.

Therein lies the problem with Shenmue. To do a standard in-game save you have to walk all the way home, to your room, and save on your bed. You have the option of a quick save, but the quick save doesn't let you proceed without rebooting the console, and loading the save causes it to be deleted.

So in-game saves are out. Then what about savestates? nullDC doesn't have them... Well then what about a different emulator? The next best emulator is Demul, which supports save states, but runs pretty bad. Also, savestating is very buggy, and frequently will crash when you try to load the state.( yay lost progress!)

The best solution I found was running nullDC, and using the quick save feature. After quick saving I would duplicate the memory card file on Windows to have a backup. This method involves a solid 3-4 minutes of effort every time you want to create a "save state".

In the end I watched Shenmue the Movie on YouTube and the GT playthrough of Shenmue 2.
 
So I tried using Demul since the slight NullDC glitches drive me crazy. It runs fine--great even--but I can't seem to find the correct aspect ratio and the models all have seams for some reason. Need to keep fiddling with it.

I like how it actually fixes some of the slow down, though. The bit in the beginning where Ryo helps Ine-san always used to bug me...

Old versions of Demul have problems with polygon seams, aspect ratios for PAL games and a lot of other stuff. The latest build fixes all of that.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?p=172267591#post172267591

The only glitch I have now is a slight sound stutter when the game apparently streams in new content. I probably just need to lower the internal resolution to 3x.

Seriously, the latest build of Demul (0.7a_110705) is first-rate.
 
In the plugins setting did you change the gdrom plugin to gdrImage?

That done it, thanks.

Now, this msg pops up.

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When you play and save the playdata with the VGA mode, you will only be able to play with VGA monitor from now on

I can't seem to advance despite pressing the buttons I mapped to my kb.

fixed it.


Is there a way to run this down sampled or should I stick with 640x480?
 
Wow a lot of people on here own the Shenmue 1&2 Dreamcast versions
Crazy considering 2 is around $200

Wow didnt realize we had so many collectors of such a rare game

Although it wasn't released in NA, it wasn't terribly hard to import Shenmue II at the time. I got it from GameStop, and (unless I'm completely misremembering this) they promoted their ability to import it. Plus Shenmue I was pretty hyped and long awaited.

But yeah, they're certainly not easy to find games.

EDIT err or was this sarcastic? i hope not.
 
Old versions of Demul have problems with polygon seams, aspect ratios for PAL games and a lot of other stuff. The latest build fixes all of that.

Thanks! Things look so much better, though now the game is randomly pausing/freezing. I haven't messed around with too many of the settings yet, so hopefully I'll be able to sort it out.

Also, I'm pretty sure I have the intro memorized line by line now.
 
So, I've had my old PAL discs shipped from home to here in Japan... but the next step is running them in an emulator. How does one get the data from the disc?
 
Wow a lot of people on here own the Shenmue 1&2 Dreamcast versions
Crazy considering 2 is around $200

Wow didnt realize we had so many collectors of such a rare game

Games were clearanced for less than 10$ each in Europe back in 2002

Edit : You can also find prety cheap asian copies of the games too.

Also I hope you weren't sarcastic, thinly veiled accusations of piracy are prety shitty in emulation threads.
 
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