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This also describes pop musicians. Pop music is about identity and personas. Like someone said, these are team efforts to create an aesthetic and creative "product" not unlike classical theatre.
The similarities between the two fields are striking and many, yet nobody seems to want to admit this.
Devolution
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Motown acts really suck.
for a new page. this is important, y'all. please refrain from quoting user 'faux'
preach sis
Supermanisdead
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op how do you deal with the fact that this is the dumbest thread since the dolphin fucking terrorist law thread?
krypt0nian
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Devolution, I still heart you.
chronos4590
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This is not mutually exclusive to pop artist and they know that. Everyone knows. This isnt a recent music trend either . We've been doing this for YEARS. Decades among tons of different genres. But anyone who does think their artist are sole writers for their music is foolish
kitchenmotors
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Fuck Grimes. That flop is taking scraps that Rihanna passed on and putting them on her new album.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Uhh, there's a lot of bands that are really focused on their identity and personas to go along with doing that themselves and writing their own music. I don't have anything against pop music, but this strain of argument feels like it is trying to focus on a strength for pop compared to other forms of music that doesn't actually exist.
People try coming for Pop stars when Whitney Houston didn't write "I will always love you", but somehow made it her own. It's what lots of popstars do, they write some, they don't write some, but they make the song their own. Like Rihanna, her voice and accent make every song she's on sound so unique, in a way that the demo version doesn't sound (if she's recording from a demo).
FO-totality
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There are similarities, of course, but I feel the creative teams are held in much more open regard and criticism than the teams behind pop acts. The balance between the two is different. And even then, excluding a few minor exceptions, there are very few actors that write and direct their own stage productions (at least from my view as an outsider), but pop acts, as recording artists, are always going to be rubbing elbow with recording artists that do write their own stuff, so our expectations as the general public are going to be different.
acheron_xl
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I'd argue that there's a difference between Motown, where the songwriters were in-house and often writing song with the specific performers in mind, and the modern mainstream pop act that has songwriters that might be picked by the performer's management, label, or producer.
Why are you so affected by my comments. If you wanna be a Pop Queen, just be by all means.
Dumb people just show their weakness and self steem by being affected by internet dudes with different opinions.
Moron.
kitchenmotors
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Enthusiasts definitely know the ins-and-outs of the production efforts and will criticize elements of it, despite the focus being on the performer themselves. It's not so apparent to outsiders, which I think explains a lot of the negative or inaccurate perspectives on pop music.
You realize the irony of your post, right?
I also agree with this. It doesn't matter if fifteen people wrote on one song, if the end product is good, then I'm a happy camper.
Supermanisdead
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This.
If people take more than a quick glance in the PopGAF OT, you'll find that who an artist is working with on a new album is usually a big deal, as big as the fact that they're working on a new album at all. This is especially true to of mainstream pop acts, who are more likely to shake up their list of collaborators.
Dude, I can't believe you let popgaf bait you into this. I'm out of here... too much slime.
ComputerMKII
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I don't even understand 99% of the lyrics from the songs I listen to.
Crumpet Trumpet
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there's like literally one popstar that doesnt sing live, this isnt the 90s anymore
although i can think of one or two who really should start lipsyncing
My mistake. I'll go listen to real music. Bye Pop Queens.
Supermanisdead
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krypt0nian
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Vacation incoming.
kitchenmotors
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I'd love to know what you consider real music.
okay, let me channel my inner pop queen and drag a bit.
fake edit: actually, most of these don't even need to be commented on. they kind of speak for themselves. your ignorance of the music industry and music in general is kind of astounding.
Admitting to trolling:
literally admitting to trolling a thread:
so yeah, go and listen to your real music, and stop letting pop queens get under your skin. your weakness, ignorance and low self esteem are showing.
chronos4590
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The band Chicago wrote "After the long is gone" for Earth Wind and Fire, and i think vice versa too. And they're two of some of the best bands thats ever come out of music.
The music industry works the way it does.
If you know an artist that writes something amazing, why wouldnt you want them to make you music?
Did The Beatles write their own songs? Nope. But they also ( or at least some of the members) also wrote for other people too. Good artist stick with and help write good music for others
The music industry works the way it does.
If you know an artist that writes something amazing, why wouldnt you want them to make you music?
Did The Beatles write their own songs? Nope. But they also ( or at least some of the members) also wrote for other people too. Good artist stick with and help write good music for others
What??
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Their talent isn't writing. There are some people whose only talent is writing songs. There is a need for both
kitchenmotors
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Let me make a "what's up with flop gaf?" thread. It would literally be a dragging marathon.
Syphon Filter
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nba aint fake.
Santa ain't fake.
FO-totality
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Fair enough, but enthusiasts are always going to know the in-depths workings of their respective interests. We're not really focusing on enthusiasts here though, unless I'm mistaken? Because they will always be the minority when it comes to the consumers of the performance/product/whatever. Even to the general public, things like directors and executive producers and playwrights are much more touted in cinema and live theatre than compared to film. Think about all the ads out there for upcoming movies. "From the studio/director that brought you..." or "A Micheal Bay/M. Night Shamalan/Guillermo del Toro" or "Neil Simon's Rumors" or "Stephen King's The Shining" or whatever. I guess what I'm trying to say is stage and film performers are more like cogs in the machine, pop artists are the machine themselves, so the responsibilities of authorship are going to be different.
Additionally, productions can continue with different performers in the roles in live theatre. A performer can of course become synonymous with a role, but that's all it is: a role. When they stop, others will fill the exact same role to perform the exact same stuff, lead actor or minor. Aside from covers (which are then usually and explicitly labeled as covers), pop songs are almost always tied to the original artist it was recorded by. If another artist covers that song and they get popular with it, it can sometimes get tied to them, but it's still usually tied explicitly to the original performer.
Supermanisdead
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wow kimbra got really ugly
You mean Katy Perry?
Syphon Filter
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nah katy is still great.
kitchenmotors
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I prefer the other Swedish pop queen, iamamiwhoami. Robyn is good tho.
Monocle
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This is literally the only funeral ceremony I want when my time comes.Bye 2.0
Except for Jennifer Lopez, who often keeps vocals from her demo version
Like in Jenny From The Block (by Natasha Ramos)
Or Ryde Or Die (by Brandy)
this ain't no shade by the way, I actually have quite a fascination for J-Lo and how she got famous with so little talent, plus most of her singles have been amazing (except for those with Pitbull)
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