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[koam]

So the games weren't all in 1080p with 120 fps and 4 dimensions?

I'm saying this stuff is not easy for consumers. In fact, it's a clusterfuck.

I agree, i've been following the standards more or less and it's still confusing as hell. I'm going to wait until 2008/9 to buy my next HD set when hopefully, some universal HD standard is set.

 

[Zombie James]

So the games weren't all in 1080p...

Who said all PS3 games would run at 1080p?

 

[koam]

Who said all PS3 games would run at 1080p?

Sony did, last year.

 

[fortified_concept]

If you're going to paraphrase, at least wait a couple of posts - what I said, verbatim, in plain english, was this:



I'm not saying he's blameless, I'm saying this stuff is not easy for consumers. In fact, it's a clusterfuck.

Are you serious now? EviLore was replying to GreenNight because he was blaming Sony for his ignorance. How can you spin this discussion like you did is beyond me.

PS. Have you anything to say about Klee's post, because you've been repeating these lies about component input not receiving 1080p all week.

 

[LuCkymoON]

Are you serious now? EviLore was replying to GreenNight because he was blaming Sony for his ignorance. How can you spin this discussion like you did is beyond me.

PS. Have you anything to say about Klee's post, because you've been repeating these lies about component input not receiving 1080p all week.

I don't know too many people who have the space for front projectors. Front projectors are unrealistic for 99% of the gaming population.
So start listing Direct view/RPTV HDTV's that accept 1080p over component.

 

[Kobold]

Also, need to clear this up: Rainbow Six Vegas demonstration on the Ubisoft booth was from the PC version with a 360 controller.

I have seen Gametrailers.com give the game best graphics on Xbox 360, while it wasn't even on Xbox 360 on the show floor. Maybe they saw some behind closed door stuff, and I have no doubt it will look gorgeous on 360, but that mega-impressive demo we all saw at the booth, was of the PC version.

Just to clear that up, people seem to misunderstanding, though Ubisoft is guilty of it as well, since the presenter actually said it was Xbox 360, but meaning it's 'also on' Xbox 360, very confusing. I talked to the lead designer and took a look at the demo booth, running on PC confirmed, I suspect the same for Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highwaydemo , by the way, though no one wanted to confirm anything, they kept silent.

 

[EviLore]

If you're going to paraphrase, at least wait a couple of posts - what I said, verbatim, in plain english, was this:

I was talking about his post, not yours.

 

[yurinka]

List of native (some of them are stretched to higher ones) resolution of some PS3 games:
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241

Playstation 3

Alone in the Dark = 1120x630 (no AA)
Army of Two = 1280x720 (no AA)
Assassin's Creed = 1280x720 (QAA)
Battlefield: Bad Company = 1280x720 (no AA)
Beijing 2008 = 1024x768 (no AA)
Beowulf = 1280x720 (no AA)
Bioshock = 680p (no AA, blur filter)
Bourne Conspiracy, The (demo) = 1280x720 (no AA)
Burnout: Paradise = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Call of Duty 3 (screenshot) ~1088x624 (2xAA)
Call of Duty 4 = 1024x600 (2x AA)
Call of Duty: World at War = 1024x600 (2x AA)
Cars Mater-National = 1280x720 (QAA), 1920x1080 (QAA)
Conan (demo) = 1024x576 (no AA)
Condemned 2 = 1280x720 (no AA)
Conflict: Denied Ops = 1280x720 (no AA) or 960x1080
Dark Sector = 1152x640 (no AA)
Darkness, The (demo) = 1024x576 (no AA)
Dead Space = 1280x720 (no AA)
Def Jam Icon (screenshot) = 1152x648 (no AA)
Devil May Cry 4 = 1280x720 (2xAA, temporal)
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion = 1280x720 (no AA)
FaceBreaker = 1280x720 (QAA), 960x1080
Fallout 3 = 1280x720 (no AA)
Far Cry 2 = 1274x692 (QAA, centered on 720p window)
Fifa Street 3 = 1920x1080 (no AA)
Full Auto 2 (demo) = 1920x1080 (4x AA)
Fracture = 1152x648 (no AA)
Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter 2 = 1280x720
Golden Axe: Beast Rider = 1280x720 (no AA, blur filter)
Golden Compass = 1280x720 (no AA)
Grand Theft Auto IV = 1152x640 (no AA)
GT5 Prologue (demo) = 1080p mode is 1280x1080 (2xAA) in-game while the garage/pit/showrooms are 1920x1080 with no AA. 720p mode is 1280x720 (4xAA)
Guitar Hero 3 = 1040x585 (no AA)
Guitar Hero Aerosmith = 1040x585 (no AA)
Guitar Hero World Tour = 1040x585 (no AA)
Haze (demo) = 1024x576 (2xAA)
Heavenly Sword = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Incredible Hulk = 1280x720 (no AA), 960x1080 (no AA)
Jericho (demo) = 996x560 (2x AA)
Juiced 2: Hot Import Nights = 1280x720 (QAA)
Kung Fu Panda = 1280x720 (no AA), 960x1080 (no AA)
Lair = 800x1080 (2xAA) - AA buffers are merged to produce 1600x1080 for further scaling
Legend of Spyro: Dawn of the Dragon, The = 1280x720 (no AA)
Legendary = 1280x720 (no AA)
LEGO: Batman = 1280x720 (no AA, slight blur filter)
LEGO: Indiana Jones = 1280x720 (no AA), 960x1080 (no AA)
Lord of the Rings: Conquest = 640p (no AA)
Lost Planet = 1280x720 (temporal 2xAA)
Madden NFL '09 = 1280x720 (no AA)
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance (screenshot) = 1920x1080 (no AA)
Mercenaries 2: World in Flames = 1280x720 (no AA)
Metal Gear Online = 1024x768 (2xAA, temporal)
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriot = 1024x768 (2xAA, temporal)
Midnight Club: Los Angeles = 960x720 (QAA)
Mirror's Edge = 1280x720 (no AA)
MK vs DC = 1024x576 (QAA)
MLB08: The Show = 1280x720 (2xAA) - The rendering window is adjustable down to 576p without upscaling to 720p i.e. the frame has black borders
Motorstorm = 1280x720 (2xAA)
MX vs ATV (demo) = 1024x576 (no AA)
NBA07 (demo) = 1920x1080 (no AA)
NBA08 (demo) = 1920x1080 (no AA)
NBA Live '08 = 1280x720 (no AA)
NBA Street Home court (screenshot) = 1920x1080 (no AA)
NFL Tour = 1280x720 (no AA, poor framerate)
NHL '09 = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Ninja Gaiden: Sigma = 1280x720 (has weird scaling to support 1080p)
Overlord = 1280x720 (no AA)
Pirates des Caraibes (screenshot) = 768x1080 (no AA)
960x720 en mode 720p
Prince of Persia = 1280x720
Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 = 1280x720 (QAA)
Quake Wars: Enemy Territory = 1280x720 (no AA)
Race Driver: GRID = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Rainbow Six Vegas 2 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Ratchet & Clank: Tools of Destruction = 1280x704 (2xAA, centered on 720p output)
Resistance: Fall of Man = 1280x720 (QAA)
Ridge Racer 7 (demo) = 1920x1080 (no AA)
Saint's Row 2 = 640p (QAA)
SCORE International Baja 1000 = 1280x720 (no AA)
SEGA: Rally Revo = 1280x720 (4xAA, alpha blend)
SEGA: Superstars Tennis = 1280x720 (QAA, 30fps)
Skate = 1280x720 (no AA)
Soldier of Fortune: Payback = 1280x720 (no AA)
Soul Calibur IV = 1280x720 (no AA), 1280x576 in 1080p mode
Spiderman: Web of Shadows = 1280x720 (no AA)
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed = 1280x720 (no AA)
Tiger Woods PGA Tour '09 = 1280x720 (no AA)
Tomb Raider: Underworld = 1280x720 (QAA)
Tony Hawk's Project 8 = 1280x720
Tony Hawk's Proving Ground (demo) = 1024x576 (no AA)
Top Spin 3 = 1280x720 (QAA)
Transformers (screenshot) = 960x1080 (no AA)
Turning Point: Fall of Liberty = 1280x720 (no AA)
Turok = 1280x720 (no AA)
Viking: Battle for Asgard = 960x720 (2xAA) - AA buffers are merged to a 1920x720 framebuffer, which is then downscaled to 1280x720
Virtua Fighter 5 (screenshot) = 1024x1024 (no AA)
1024x768 en mode 1080p
Virtua Tennis 3 (demo) = 1920x1080 (2x AA)
WWE 08 (screenshot) = ? 640x720 ? (2x AA) - les edges ont l'aparence du 1280x720 mais d'apres certain artefact il semble que ce soit le resultat de la fusion de 2 buffers MSAA 640x720
translation StefanS: "The edges give the impression of being 1280x720p, but because of a certain artifact it seems that it is the result of the fusion of 2 MSAA buffers of resolution 640x720"
UEFA Euro 2008 = 1280x720 (no AA)
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Unreal Tournament III = 1280x720 (no AA)
WALL E = 1280x720 (no AA)
World Series Of Poker 2008 = 1920x1080 (2xAA)


PSN GAMES

1942: Joint Strike = 1280x720 (4xAA) or 1920x1080 (2xAA)
Blast Factor = 1920x1080 (no AA)
Bionic Commando: Rearmed = 1280x720 (no AA)
Calling All Cars (screenshot) = 1920x1080 (4x AA)
Commando 3 = 1280x720 (4xAA) or 1920x1080 (2xAA)
Echochrome = 1920x1080 (2xAA)
Elefunk = 1920x1080 (4xAA)
Forbidden Siren = 1024x512 (4xAA)
Go Puzzle = 1920x1080
GTHD = 1440x1080 (no AA) - Vehicle selection is rendered at 1920x1080
High Velocity Bowling = 1920x1080 (no AA)
Locoroco Cocoreccho = 1920x1080 (2x AA)
Mainichi Issyo = 1440x1080 (4xAA)
Pixel Junk Monsters/Racers/Eden = 1920x1080
Rocketmen = 1920x1080 (2xAA)
Rub'a'dub = 1600x1080 (no AA)
Snakeball = 1280x1080 (no AA)
Stardust HD = 1280x1080 (no AA)
Sudoku = 1920x1080
Super Rub-a-Dub = 1600x1080
Tekken 5 Dark Ressurection (screenshot) = 1920x1080 (no AA)
Warhawk = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Wipeout HD = dynamic-framerate-dependent 1080p framebuffer (1280x1080 to 1920x1080)
Wolf of the Battlefield: Commando 3 = 1920x1080 (2xAA)

Sony did, last year.

I only can remember before the release of the console they said the console would reach the 1080p, not that ALL PS3 will be in 1080p. Or do you have a link?

 

[JB1981]

^^^^^^ what the fuck?
LOL

Why did you bump this? Why?

 

[Andronicus]

holy necro batman

 

[DarkJC]

Epic ressurection

Except not really epic, just seems dumb. :/

 

[itxaka]

rise from your grave!

And I was thinking what the op was referring with the tard pack...2006 baby!

 

[DarkJC]

rise from your grave!

And I was thinking what the op was referring with the tard pack...2006 baby!

Yeah, I was like "what? They're removing HDMI from the PS3 in a new SKU?"

 

[yurinka]

^^^^^^ what the fuck?
LOL

Why did you bump this? Why?

What? Wow. I'm sorry. I found this thread searching another thing, and just posted. I'm sorry, I didn't noticed it was so old.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Even more absurd than the thread resurrection is the attempt to continue an argument from nearly three years ago.

 

[fanboi]

rise from your grave!

And I was thinking what the op was referring with the tard pack...2006 baby!

I was thinking the same :lol

Oh and:

 

[alr1ght]

back from the dead. I was reading the first post and was thinking "what the fuck is he talking about."

 

[Goldrusher]

Even more absurd than the thread resurrection is the attempt to continue an argument from nearly three years ago.

 

[Mamesj]

If that was the tard pack, we must have the still-born pack with missing organs :\

 

[mintylurb]

I rarely say this but dang yurinka..you're worse than tiduz..;<<

 

[Cdammen]

RIIIIISE FROM YOUR GRAVE!

 

[lowlylowlycook]

Thank god I bought a PS3 otherwise I'd be missing out on Wardevil in luscious 1080p.

 

[kiUNiT]

True HD 1080p only on PS3, lol

 

[adg1034]

 

[Tiduz]

I rarely say this but dang yurinka..you're worse than tiduz..;<<

fuck you old man

 

[Crisis]

goddam

 

[methane47]

NEOGAF HERO!!!

 

[Unregistered007]

Haze -- Not running on PS3 -- 720p demo running on an Xbox 360


LMAO

 

[Firestorm]

I wish I had a tard pack PS3

 

[gofreak]

My souped up 160GB tard pack has served me well.

Still think it was the smartest PS3 sku

 

[DoomGyver]

lols

 

[Super_Chicken]

back from the dead. I was reading the first post and was thinking "what the fuck is he talking about."

I said the exact same thing

 

[PjotrStroganov]

Lol@ Motorstorm running at 60fps.:lol

 

[AAK]

wtf is Wardevil????

 

[Risette]

When I first read the OP I thought Sony had announced an HDMI-less PS3 or something recently, then I read the rest of the posts and noticed the date. Confusing :lol

 

[JimmyV]

why the hell do so many people think only HDMI can do 1080p?

EDIT: holy butter-fuckers at the necro!!!

 

[MrOctober]

The numbers are there and a jump from 720p to 1080p should be noticable, you just need a large screen to notice. I'm guessing a game thats natively rendered at 1080i/p won't be able to show its benefits (over 720p) until you hit a 45"+ Screen. The larger the screen the bigger the contrast will be.

Yeah CNet states over and over in their reviews that on any sub 50" television it would take serious scrutiny to notice a difference between 720p and 1080p signals.

 

[Doc Evils]

RWISE FROM YO GRAWVE

 

[duk]

are they true 1080p ala 1920 x 1080p or upscaled?

 

[gofreak]

Yeah CNet states over and over in their reviews that on any sub 50" television it would take serious scrutiny to notice a difference between 720p and 1080p signals.

This is an old thread and all, but are they talking about filmed material in that comparison?

I think videogames/graphics are something different. I can definitely tell the difference when my PS3 flicks from, say, the 1080p XMB to a 720p game, just as I can see the difference when I play a PC game at 1280x... vs 1680x... and that's on a relatively tiny monitor (20").

 

[neight]

I love how my $2000 HDTV I purchased last year doesnt do 1080p. Its even a Sony. Thanks Sony!

I was wondering how someone can have a $2k 2008 HDTV with no 1080p support.

Yeah CNet states over and over in their reviews that on any sub 50" television it would take serious scrutiny to notice a difference between 720p and 1080p signals.

For film content yes. For videogames it is noticeable. Just think how many of us pumped up the resolution on PC games to 1600x1200 on our smaller PC displays and could still see the improvement.

why the hell do so many people think only HDMI can do 1080p?

EDIT: holy butter-fuckers at the necro!!!

1080p over component isn't a widely accepted standard even though there is enough bandwidth for it. I know my HDTV won't accept 1080p over component.

 

[Schrade]

I was wondering how someone can have a $2k 2008 HDTV with no 1080p support.
For film content yes. For videogames it is noticeable. Just think how many of us pumped up the resolution on PC games to 1600x1200 on our smaller PC displays and could still see the improvement.

I was wondering how someone couldn't notice that this is a necropost... and the first quote you did was from 2006, not 2008.

 

[neight]

I was wondering how someone couldn't notice that this is a necropost... and the first quote you did was from 2006, not 2008.

Err I know that. That's why I said 'I was wondering why'.

 

[Zenith]

Given that the vast majority of gamers still don't understand how to properly setup HD and use the correct cables, etc, let alone mainstream users and the fact that HDTV owners are a tiny minority, I would say HD gaming is the biggest joke ever perpetrated on the industry.

What a total waste of money and resources.

 

[Goldrusher]

Err I know that. That's why I said 'I was wondering why'.

You didn't:

I was wondering how someone can have a $2k 2008 HDTV with no 1080p support.

 

[neight]

You didn't:

Yes I did. My shock came from initially thinking he was talking about a 2008 HDTV and then I saw this was a really old thread so then I posted about my initial confusion with 'I was wondering why...'.

Wow sorry I worded that so poorly people.

 

[lowlylowlycook]

This is an old thread and all, but are they talking about filmed material in that comparison?

I think videogames/graphics are something different. I can definitely tell the difference when my PS3 flicks from, say, the 1080p XMB to a 720p game, just as I can see the difference when I play a PC game at 1280x... vs 1680x... and that's on a relatively tiny monitor (20").

You have to factor in distance from the screen.

 

[Schrade]

You have to factor in distance from the screen.

And awareness of the user, too. Some people will be able to notice stuff that many people will not.

Someone who is graphically and video savvy will be able to see the difference.

 

[gofreak]

You have to factor in distance from the screen.

That is true. Obviously I'm closer with a PC monitor.

But I still don't know if you can weigh up the impact of resolution with rendered graphics in the same way as filmed material. I think you probably hit a point of diminishing returns sooner with filmed material, for a given screen-size/viewing distance.

 

[neight]

That is true. Obviously I'm closer with a PC monitor.

But I still don't know if you can weigh up the impact of resolution with rendered graphics in the same way as filmed material. I think you probably hit a point of diminishing returns sooner with filmed material, for a given screen-size/viewing distance.

Film is different. I can't recall exactly why but IIRC it has something to do with video being practically infinitely anti-aliased/smoothed.