the thread title is "how much did you donate to..." not "did you donate to..." or "how much did you not donate to...". Some people here just took their chance to shit on the genre, kickstarter and other people + demonstrate their ignorance.
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How much did you donate to Project Eternity?
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the thread title is "how much did you donate to..." not "did you donate to..." or "how much did you not donate to...". Some people here just took their chance to shit on the genre, kickstarter and other people + demonstrate their ignorance.
Additionally, the more ambitious your game design, the more this number of possibilities increases. And not just linearly.
A checkpointed corridor shooter is infinitely easier to playtest than an open world RPG.
Five? Project Eternity, Wasteland 2, Dead State,what two am I missing? Are you counting The Banner Saga? Are you including the one from the Divinity folks that I can't recall the name of?
Divinity Original Sin and Shadowrun Returns.
Come to think of it, I guess Dragon Age 3 technically counts as well. So 6.
While that's broadly true, I feel I do have to highlight that I've seen a *hell* of a lot of bugs that came about due to players *getting somewhere they shouldn't* in games where they have direct control of their character! One advantage of the movement model in this is that the computer always ultimately decrees where your character is going to end up.
As I say, though, your broader point is correct; http://www.xyzzynews.com/xyzzy.6h.html (in the context of a text adventure, but could easily apply beyond that) is a good example of how combinatorial explosion of complexity can get out of hand.
Edit: You know, I had Shadowrun in mind when I started that earlier post, I don't know where it got to by the end of it!
CrankyKong
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20 bucks
Happy to help them
Happy to help them
I understand that it's impossible to test every situation and get rid of bugs, my problem is that other developers do not have the consistent problem with game-killing bugs that Obsidian has. Like I said, it's not just regular bugs, they have a history of creating games with bugs that can keep you from playing the game to completion.
You can find similar bugs in practically every ambitious RPG from the last 20 years. It's just that very few ambitious RPGs are in the public eye besides Bethesda and Obsidian's. I can't see how someone who follows the genre can think otherwise.
Nothing a dev could say would make me believe it will be any different than the last 3 games of theirs that I played.
Prove it with the product not a marketing interview.
Supporting this point, Obsidian's non-ambitious RPG (DS3) is completely bug-free.
The problem is that Obisidan games have more situations to test. And they don't get the funding and support to test them to the extent they need to. That's why I'm cautiously optimistic about the effect the mass beta will have on this project, I do hope sufficient people treat it properly and some of the people who respond can write comprehensive bug reports!
but they proved it with Dungeon Siege 3. You just didn't play it.
Sir Garbageman
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$40, $20 for the game + $20 for the expansion.
I have no problem with people who as a matter of principal wouldn't donate to a Kickstarter campaign but the isometric RPG is my favorite genre and I love the majority of what Obsidian has produced historically for me it is a low risk pre-order essentially.
I have no problem with people who as a matter of principal wouldn't donate to a Kickstarter campaign but the isometric RPG is my favorite genre and I love the majority of what Obsidian has produced historically for me it is a low risk pre-order essentially.
I agree with you for the most part, but note that these aren't donations. Backers are funding the project, which I would imagine includes the salaries (or at least a portion of) of the people who are working on the game. So technically there is some "pocketing" going on, but it's perfectly acceptable, IMO.
It wasn't buggy but it also wasn't a good game and certainly not worth playing.
CrunchyFrog
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So noone should ever invest in anything then? No risk is worth the potential reward? Especially a qualified risk like this one with such an accomplished team pedigree behind it?
$85 from me.
Klendathu Club Owner
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Nothing. I'm interested in the game, but they easily got enough money without my contribution. And I genereally don't preorder my games 2 years in advance. If the game is good I'll buy it in 2014 or whenever it'll release.
-Pyromaniac-
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Zero. And RPGs are my favourite genre! If there was a realistic chance they they wouldn't annihilate their goals, I would have definitely contributed just to help the genre I love. But I knew it would, personally. So I did not.
In b4 "if we all had that attitude!!!!" because I knew you wouldn't all have it
In b4 "if we all had that attitude!!!!" because I knew you wouldn't all have it
Delusibeta
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Lots of trolls going "ha, fools, I'm not funding a game and help prevent Obsidian's bankruptcy!" in this thread.
Myself, I threw $40 (early bird + expansion) into the pot.
Myself, I threw $40 (early bird + expansion) into the pot.
PetriP-TNT
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I put away 15 dollars to threw myself a pizza party when the game comes out.
AHA-Lambda
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$40, the base game + the expansion add-on.
InsertCredit
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Zero. And RPGs are my favourite genre! If there was a realistic chance they they wouldn't annihilate their goals, I would have definitely contributed just to help the genre I love. But I knew it would, personally. So I did not.
In b4 "if we all had that attitude!!!!" because I knew you wouldn't all have it
It's okay, we got your back
In for $50.
terrisus
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To be fair, there's nothing horribly wrong with people saying, "Nothing, since I didn't want to pay 1-2 years in advance, but I'll gladly purchase it when it comes out." Granted, if everyone said that the game wouldn't have gotten funded. But, at the same time, I would imagine that they would be very disappointed if only the ~75,000 who participated in the Kickstarter got the game and no one else got it, I would imagine they're hoping on many other people purchasing it once it actually comes out.
And I think that will be one of the interesting things to see - how many people who didn't participate in the Kickstarter (for whatever reason - whether not wanting to, not knowing about it, etc.) end up purchasing the game once it's released. And, hopefully it's a whole bunch, to show that this sort of game can be profitable on its own and to fuel interest in more of them being made without needing to be Kickstarted.
And I think that will be one of the interesting things to see - how many people who didn't participate in the Kickstarter (for whatever reason - whether not wanting to, not knowing about it, etc.) end up purchasing the game once it's released. And, hopefully it's a whole bunch, to show that this sort of game can be profitable on its own and to fuel interest in more of them being made without needing to be Kickstarted.