Blam
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What. How is remote playing your game the same as actually playing the game on your PC. Which doesn't require the console to play it.
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How will Sony counter Xbox One Anywhere?
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What. How is remote playing your game the same as actually playing the game on your PC. Which doesn't require the console to play it.
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RichiRamjag
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1. Gutted from a half-broken prebuilt that was being shoved off on Ebay for parts at $20. Did buy myself a 2TB external for like $50 later though. Not much of an issue.
2. Joke Answer: Optical drives are for chumps.
2. Serious Answer: Gutted from the $20 corpse.
3. Came with my MSDN subscription.
Honestly though noone ever really factors those in when discussing the prices of builds in my experience.
"Sony hopes PlayStation Neo's better graphics will stop PS4 users jumping to PC"
¯_(ツ_/¯
Honestly, I doubt Sony is terrified (Your passive-aggressive sarcasm is not necessary) - If anyone's terrified, it's me and others in the PC sphere. Sony's market position is strong enough for them to start making demands of developers concerning versions of their games on other platforms like Microsoft was last gen. While they've not yet, I think we can all safely say that the Humble Sony we all enjoyed late last gen and early this gen is gone.
Well, as long as everyone has $400 bucks, a penchant for finding old mobos that are out of stock, and an old rig laying around to gut, it sounds like we can all expect to see the console racket dry up soon.
No one factors those prices... Good grief...
You're gonna really drag that Sony/PC headline through the mud as much as possible eh? The consoles this gen released weak, offering a bit more power as a method of keeping enthusiasts on your ecosystem is hardly the major smoking gun that you're making it out to be.
lifeexpectancy
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1. Gutted from a half-broken prebuilt that was being shoved off on Ebay for parts at $20. Did buy myself a 2TB external for like $50 later though. Not much of an issue.
2. Joke Answer: Optical drives are for chumps.
2. Serious Answer: Gutted from the $20 corpse.
3. Came with my MSDN subscription.
Honestly though noone ever really factors those in when discussing the prices of builds in my experience.
"Sony hopes PlayStation Neo's better graphics will stop PS4 users jumping to PC"
¯\_(ツ
Honestly, I doubt Sony is terrified (Your passive-aggressive sarcasm is not necessary) - If anyone's terrified, it's me and others in the PC sphere. Sony's market position is strong enough for them to start making demands of developers concerning versions of their games on other platforms like Microsoft was last gen. While they've not yet, I think we can all safely say that the Humble Sony we all enjoyed late last gen and early this gen is gone.
So you didnt include the hard drive, optical drive, or OS in your original numbers. Also your numbers are todays prices not the prices at PS4's launch. Bottom line is to build a PC similarly speccd to the PS4 from scratch (no cheating with salvaged parts from old rigs, which they wouldnt have!) at the launch of the PS4, it would have been closer to $600 BY YOUR MATH, and that's WITHOUT an OS. Today, it would cost $400 or more, while PS4s are selling at $299 or less many places.
The average person could walk into walmart and buy a PS4 near launch for $399, pop in a game and play ($299 lately). The average person could NOT build a comparable gaming PC for the same price. Not to mention all the other headaches mass market folks dont want to deal with regarding PC gaming. Why do you guys always insist on obfuscating the facts to suit your argument?
Bottom line: the PS4 has never worried, nor will it or the PSNEO ever worry, about significant amounts of lost sales to people deciding to build gaming PCs from scratch.
Neuromancer
Member
That's a big if. The Xbox One is being outsold 2:1 by the PS4, and by all accounts the Windows 10 store is barely limping along.
My guess is Sony isn't shook.
My guess is Sony isn't shook.
EventHorizon
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That is why people always get these types of discussions wrong. First off the console crowd doesn't want to shop around for parts and build a PC, and they don't have a MSDN subscription. If you are going to compare the price of a PC to that of a console, then you have to use the price of a prebuilt PC. To not do so is to totally miss one of the advantages of consoles, which is that anybody can go to Walmart, pick one up, and be absolutely assured about what they got without any hassle.
Btw if you still want to compare a home built PC to consoles then you have to at least try to make it an apples to apples comparison. If you are using used parts then you should compare it to the price of a used console. Right now on Ebay a used Xbox One is going for $223 and a used PlayStation 4 is going for $290. What kind of PC are you going to make with that price limit?
PriceGreek Calculated Ebay Prices
Primethius
Banned
PS4 already has cross buy/save/play functionality within the ecosystem of games. Not sure why they would need to do anything else.
Maroon Gamer
Member
This.
I think its the other way around, in my gut feeling, MS sorta threw in the towel and shouted uncle in its head to head battle with Playstation, in a way that it feels like MS is starting to slowly and cautiously back out of the 100% console maker business, they are no longer in it to win it kind of thing.. I don't know..its just a feeling i have of course, so its nothing but that for what its worth.
RedAssedApe
Banned
Xbone Anywhere (sequel to Xbox One Backwards Compatibility: Everyone wants it, no one uses it)
DISSESHOWEDO
Banned
1. Gutted from a half-broken prebuilt that was being shoved off on Ebay for parts at $20. Did buy myself a 2TB external for like $50 later though. Not much of an issue.
2. Joke Answer: Optical drives are for chumps.
2. Serious Answer: Gutted from the $20 corpse.
3. Came with my MSDN subscription.
Honestly though noone ever really factors those in when discussing the prices of builds in my experience.
"Sony hopes PlayStation Neo's better graphics will stop PS4 users jumping to PC"
¯_(ツ
Honestly, I doubt Sony is terrified (Your passive-aggressive sarcasm is not necessary) - If anyone's terrified, it's me and others in the PC sphere. Sony's market position is strong enough for them to start making demands of developers concerning versions of their games on other platforms like Microsoft was last gen. While they've not yet, I think we can all safely say that the Humble Sony we all enjoyed late last gen and early this gen is gone.
You know i can buy a secomd hand ps4 for around $220! Heck a friend of mine is selling his limited AW xone for $150! Now if i qant to game with a ps4 or xone contoller on that dream machine of yours i will have to pay more! You mentioned your windows comes with a subscription thata you payed or payimg for!
Your logic is flawed and this preaching has been beaten to death
And a huge lol at Sony forcing devs! I guess you haven't watched the gaming shows ever since 2012?
As it's been said continue to push their ecosystem like they have been there is no real reason for them to do anything atm when they have don't control/have a storefront on PC.
That'sbait.gif if I ever seen one and just plain silly.
Sangetsu-II
Member
Keep making exclusives to sell PS4's...
MS is essentially killing XB1 sales in my eyes IMO.
Bedameister
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They won't and right now it doesn't look like they will need to
Boombloxer
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killatopak
Member
They'll do nothing and still counter them anyway.
They won't need to.
PC gaming and console gaming are largely two differend groups. I don't think PC players will sudenly get an Xbox One, nor vice versa.
Hell, I'm a console ànd a handheld player and I barely used crossbuy for PS3/4/Vita, and i think that makes a lot more sense (when I'm on the train, I can't play on my console. WHen I'm at home, my PC and Xbox One are both there)
I can't see it have any effect on PS4 succes or sales.
PC gaming and console gaming are largely two differend groups. I don't think PC players will sudenly get an Xbox One, nor vice versa.
Hell, I'm a console ànd a handheld player and I barely used crossbuy for PS3/4/Vita, and i think that makes a lot more sense (when I'm on the train, I can't play on my console. WHen I'm at home, my PC and Xbox One are both there)
I can't see it have any effect on PS4 succes or sales.
Patrick Young
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Build a PS3, Vita TV and PS4 into a TV.
I'd buy it!
I'd buy it!
Gunslinger
Member
with PS Vita /kappa
Imperfected
Member
Probably roughly the same plan a person would have to "counter" you if you started gouging your own eyes out in the middle of a fight? Step back and watch in horrified and awkward confusion while waiting for someone to call the match?
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
They won't because they want exclusives for the PS4.
speedwagon_
Banned
People actually buy PS4's
killatopak
Member
I hate you.
wapplew
Member
98% to be accurate.
Not sure MS is stealing anything, more like losing thunder.
Hypothetical question: Does Valve steal some Thunder away from MS with Play Anywhere? Say this move slows Xbox One hardware sales (and with it the purchase of Xbox Live subscriptions, third-party game royalties (including DLC cuts and peripheral dough) and strengthens Steam by solidifying the PC choice in exchange for an occasional purchase of a MS exclusive on W10? Ohhh Noee!!! What will MS DO?
Unless we are working under the assumption that consumers will behave like MS expects them to behave (without an ounce of perspective) and just stay within the ecosystem without making their own decisions as to what's the best alternative and bang for their buck. That is, get the systems where the exclusives are truly exclusives (PS4, NX), keep a PC for the occasional MS exclusive once or twice a year + buy third party multi-plats on Steam with best-in-class discounts.
Now that I see more likely to me than the dreamy scenario MS sees. Of course if OP is just looking for SONY to port Sony exclusives to PC in some similar fashion (stealth port beg thread), or partner with Steam for cross-buy of third-party multiplats (biggest pipe dream ever)... I am sure we would like to know what OP is smoking.
Play-anywhere is cross-buy and it has never lit the world on fire. I will not do so now, it will not do so because MS does it. Apple reference.
This soul knows.
MMaRsu
Member
People are going to switch to XB1 and pc?
Sony will laught it off, just as Im doing now
temesgen77
Member
I think its still early but in time Playstation Now could be a platform agnostic way for Sony to bring games to virtually any device. Its true Sony does make games but they provide a platform for other people's games, which is a much bigger bit of their business.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Bl@de
Member
I just don't get how this is even something to be exited about. Other than crossbuy/play? The amount of people buying the same game on multiple platforms can't be that many.
Plus, most MS first party X1 games have made it to PC already.
And no, Sony don't have to care about PC gaming at all. MS on the other hand, do.
Plus, most MS first party X1 games have made it to PC already.
And no, Sony don't have to care about PC gaming at all. MS on the other hand, do.
eerik9000
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I think the effect will be the opposite of what you described. Every upcoming first-party MS game launching also on PC means there is no reason for PC gamers to have an Xbox One anymore, and if they want a console, they are more likely to look at PS4 or NX.
Tazo
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I don't understand people saying "Well why would I buy an Xbox now? I'll just play on my PC." Yeah, that's fine and actually better for everyone. PC gamers get more choice in games, and Xbox gamers got a lot more users to play multiplayer games with. Xbox is a multiplatform service now, you don't need a console to enjoy it.
It's a shrinking platform relative to earlier years - despite what all this commotion of the past 8-10 months seem to suggest in terms of scope (MS "bIG PLANS" - small b for a reason). I'm pretty sure Valve's market share in the PC market is untouched and it's the strongest platform and draw for the PC gaming market. The more users MS brings to PC gaming, instead of the closed Xbox-console ecosystem, the more users that will defect toward greater consumption of games on Steam (because it's the sensible choice), and the less consumption of anything gaming related on the Windows Store barring an occasional exclusive. The PC is not a walled garden. Users will gravitate toward the better service - that is, Steam. On the console space, that is PS4. The only difference between the markets for MS is that they have greater market share on the console space (you could even say, less competition) and are risking shrinking that significantly for some strategic vision on PC. NX can't come soon enough. It will be beautiful to watch the dynamics unfold if Nintendo catches fire. The weakest player will suffer the most.
And then a thread full of overly defensive Sony GAF reactions follows.
Anyway, as long as Sony is ahead they'll probably pretty much keep doing what they're doing, but the people assuming Play Anywhere somehow means Xbox is doomed is also silly.
And then a thread full of overly defensive Sony GAF reactions follows.
Anyway, as long as Sony is ahead they'll probably pretty much keep doing what they're doing, but the people assuming Play Anywhere somehow means Xbox is doomed is also silly.
It's not doom as long as Nintendo is a no show. It's however, an ever increasing pull for gamers towards the PC market - even reinforcing PC choice. The way I look at it...as of this moment given the dynamics of both the console market and PC gaming market. It's not good.
Multiplats are selling Xbox Ones (and PS4s for that matter) far more than the true non-PC exclusives have this gen so sales will more than likely stay similar.
This thread is flawed in the sense that MS didn't make this move to compete with the PS4 in hardware sales. This move from MS is all about building their own ecosystem -- not battling with the PS4 in "us vs. them" hardware sales.
MS can't compete with PS4 sales on a worldwide level, hence a big reason why MS is doing "Play Anywhere". They'll make more money doing this in comparison to throwing money away in trying to push true exclusives in territories that couldn't care less about the Xbox console brand.
dragonelite
Member
You're the minority not every one can be bothered to also game on PC or afford a gaming PC worth gaming on.
Many people here act as if the general audience plays games on as many platforms as they do. Sales clearly show that multiplats are helping the sales of current gen consoles the most but people want to simply ignore it for some reason (and look silly and old-fashioned in their thinking in doing so).
The majority of console gamers would have left console gaming years ago if it was simply about "the ability to play games that aren't on PC". Games that are only on one console will still be viewed as "true exclusives" in the eyes of many console gamers while at the same time being supported by PC sales. Why people think that this is a terrible move is beyond me. I'm sure (for example) a game like Street Fighter V would have been more disappointing for Capcom if it didn't release on PC.
Tazo
Member
Competition is good for everyone, for instance I think the Steam UX is terribly outdated and their achievement system is too much of an afterthought to care about. I'm happy to play my Xbox games on PC and earn my achievements there if I wanted to (but honestly I'd stick to playing from the couch).
The better console service is subjective, I've always been a fan of Xbox for their achievement system, friends list and party features, etc. but I've always been jealous of the appearance of the PlayStation store and Facebook profile pic integration. To each their own, though.