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How will TLJ fanatics react to TROS?

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Not sure if this is too meta but as we all know they are insufferable and will not accept that anything is wrong with TLJ. Will they be onboard with TROS or will JJ be sacrificed at the altar of RJ.
 
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I haven't seen a single TLJ fanatic who didn't also like TFA.

They'll lap up TROS because they're overly emotionally attached to a set of one dimensional characters at this point. All JJ needs to do is crank the fan service up to 11, which he will, and they'll be crying in their seats.
 
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Yeah, but most of them seem to think TLJ is the 2nd coming of Christ. I think they will shit on TROS (maybe deservedly maybe not) to keep propping up TLJ.
 
Nymphae

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Probably something like this

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Birdo

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Rey becomes the most powerful Jedi of all time. They will love it.
 
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Liamario

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I feel like a lot of TLJ fans are being disingenuous with their opinions. It's particularly evident on other forums. Their support of the movie and even Rian Johnson is based on their extreme left wing ideology, rather than the quality of the movie itself.

This behavior will extend to TROS.
 
sol_bad

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oagboghi2 said:
It's more about defending Disney and Kathleen Kennedy than the actual film. They decided this movie was "amazing" the moment the name was announced.

Hey, just look at sol_bad sol_bad or ManaByte ManaByte
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Meh

I've defended the movie itself. It's pointless though as the haters had fanfic in their head that wasn't met. You guys can make fun of the people who enjoy TLJ all you want but if you ask me, the people obsessing over how "bad" TLJ is are way sadder than the people who enjoy it. I'd rather have positive energy than be fulfilled with negative energy.

The haters have their heads so far up their arse that it's hard for them to realise the similarities between Luke and Rey. The movie has it's faults but the good far outweigh the bad.
 
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I think you guys are giving TLJ fans too much credit. Somewhere along the way they mutated into rabid RJ defenders versus, you know Star Wars fans.
 
Nymphae

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sol_bad said:
It's pointless though as the haters had fanfic in their head that wasn't met.
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As I've mentioned before, I saw TFA 3 times and was so stoked for more SW. Me and a buddy of mine who is a huge fan from opening day of the OT went to see TLJ, no preconceived notions at all, we were excited for the next chapter. Throughout the movie we were groaning, and immediately afterwards we just talked about what didn't work, what was the focus of the next movie going to even be? Who is even the fucking bad guy in this climax to a 9 movie saga? There were so many plot holes and poor decisions in the film that we, as huge fans who went in excited, just couldn't ignore them. I'm not saying people who enjoy it are wrong, but the narrative that everyone who dislikes the film is a prejudiced hater is off the mark. We genuinely went in excited and wanting to like it, and didn't.

I'd rather have positive energy than be fulfilled with negative energy.
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Same here man, but I can't help it if they release trash.
 
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sol_bad said:
Meh

I've defended the movie itself. It's pointless though as the haters had fanfic in their head that wasn't met. You guys can make fun of the people who enjoy TLJ all you want but if you ask me, the people obsessing over how "bad" TLJ is are way sadder than the people who enjoy it. I'd rather have positive energy than be fulfilled with negative energy.

The haters have their heads so far up their arse that it's hard for them to realise the similarities between Luke and Rey. The movie has it's faults but the good far outweigh the bad.
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I'm guessing you just feel attacked by others and don't really think everyone who hated it have their heads up their butts. Cause I hated it, but I don't hate Rey at all. I resented her lack of training before force wielding because of expectations, but I am stoked about possibility she's tied to Palpatine. If she ends this trilogy as a ruling Sith Lord, all is redeemed (as much as possible anyway).
 
Captain Zyrain

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I was just so disappointed in TLJ. Not for any "SJW" reasons. It just didn't feel like Star Wars, and I didn't enjoy the "subverting whatever". It felt like it was jumping around all over the place, without giving rhyme or reason or explanation for things. Why is Poe's X-Wing suddenly so good? Why aren't they all that good?

In hindsight, it feels like Episode 7.5. Nothing huge happens, they don't advance the plot a whole lot, and it takes place minutes after TFA. I read the novelization, and liked that better, as they at least explained a few things (Poe's X-wing, Hyperspace tracking, etc).

My best hope is that Rise of Skywalker makes TLJ a weird footnote and we can all just move on. Ideally, stuff in TROS will retroactively make TLJ better/make more sense, if that's possible.
 
sol_bad

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NickFire said:
I'm guessing you just feel attacked by others and don't really think everyone who hated it have their heads up their butts. Cause I hated it, but I don't hate Rey at all. I resented her lack of training before force wielding because of expectations, but I am stoked about possibility she's tied to Palpatine. If she ends this trilogy as a ruling Sith Lord, all is redeemed (as much as possible anyway).
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I do think people have their heads up their butts. When TFA was first released there was very little negativity, it existed for sure but is more about the film being a "rehash" of episode 4. There were barely any complaints about the characters themselves, the issues with Rey came at a later date from what I can remember. Anyway, the film ended with unanswered questions about Rey, Kylo, Snoke, Luke and the Knights of Ren. The fandom loved to analyse and guess what those mysteries were. None of those predictions or expectations were met, this angered people.

In all fairness, I now have my own expectations of the new film and I will be very annoyed if JJ does a 180 on anything done in TLJ. Rian did leave things in a manner where his decisions could easily be retconned and I honestly hope that doesn't happen.

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About not advancing the plot. The whole film is about failure and learning/growing from your failures. It's about advancing the characters.
 
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GAMETA

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Look, I'll be honest. I didn't grow enjoining SW, meaning I have zero nostalgia for it... to me they're all pretty bad.

The original trilogy, the prequel trilogy... all bad. I don't like them, I think they're shallow. Luke's trainig with Yoda? That shit is lame as fuck. Anakin fight with Obi-wan? Disgraceful and boring...

TFA at least was very fun to watch, then TLJ was shit again.

SW to me is pretty shitty overall :)
 
MacReady13

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I was super excited for TFA, and left the theater feeling hollow. It was not really a good Star Wars film. Yes, it was better acted and directed and scripted than the prequels, but to me they felt like Star Wars films, and I really enjoyed them, warts and all.
I went in super excited for TLJ. Trailers filled me with hope. Luke will reveal all. We will find out about Snoke. Find out about Rey's lineage. All these tantalizing things we were shown in TFA were going to be revealed in TLJ and we got nothing. Such a disappointment of a trilogy so far.
 
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I love TFA and TLJ and am pretty excited for TROS. I don't really go into movies hoping x or y question is answered, though. I didn't watch Return of the Jedi hoping they'd explain why Vader is in a robot suit or where the Emperor came from. And I was right to not care, because the prequels were awful and gave really lame explanations for those things! For me these movies are about the characters, themes and spectacle and things like evil hooded villains, the force and so forth are meant to serve the characters, themes and spectacle, not the other way around. People who gobble up Wookiepedias and think Lucas is the end all be all on SW (the same guy who said the EU is separate from his movies and not the same universe and also gave Disney a treatment for a sequel trilogy featuring a hermit Luke hiding out on an island finding redemption by training a young girl to be a Jedi) aren't really in this to see good movies, if they were they'd have wholly rejected Rogue One but most these people I speak of love that film despite it lacking character, emotion, a good story or even lining up with the OT well. But it had fan service, vistas and explosions.
 
Heart_Attack

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Well, the most recent leak mentions how they made Reylo a thing (At least for a moment). So the usual Tumblr and woke people are gonna eat that shit up. Anyways, the movie is doomed as neither fans nor critics will rate it nearly as high as TLJ.
 
Master Of Illusion

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I might dig it depending how bad Palpatine is shoe-horned in / how much of a ROTJ rip-off it turns out to be.

One of the reasons I love TLJ was because of just how different/fresh it was. New force powers, a deeper look into the Jedi lore not previously explored in the films, a twist on the "disobeying pilot was always right" trope, someone the audience were misconceived to be this massive villainous force getting whacked halfway through the runtime, a commander who looked liked she walked straight outta Zeta Gundam performing a motherfuckin' lightspeed kamikaze...

Canto Bight is absolutely the movie's weak point, but it was nice to see a side of the galaxy that didn't already have that established "Star Wars" feel (especially since I was grinning at the heavy Dune vibes of that planet, which while the Lynch movie is definitely nowhere near perfect, I adore the set-pieces and like how Rian was inspired enough by that to kinda throw it into the SW universe).

Even though my praise for the TFA has kinda waned since it came out, I do still like it. However, as initially worried as I am about IX, JJ's instinct for safety will still be superseded by the necessity to use the ideas established in TLJ as a foundation for where this "final" chapter will go, and I'm kinda excited for that (which, once again, depends how badly Palpatine is shoe-horned in).

EDIT: Thank God I've not read most of the previous posts in this thread because for the love of fuck SPOILER TAG ANY LEAKS.

Jesus titty fucking Christ.
 
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Airola

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Random facts about my thoughts on the movies:

-The Last Jedi was ok just as most of the rest of the series has been.
-None of the Star Wars movies are groundbreakingly great in what comes to my taste in movies.
-I used to play with the Star Wars action figures before I saw any of the movies and my own adventures were more exciting than the movies were.
-The best thing from all of the Star Wars movies is the final fight on Return of the Jedi and what happens afterwards. I absolutely love it. And the part where that one Ewok hits his head with the spike ball thing or whatever he was using. That's great too.
-The only thing that keeps me not wanting to visit any of the prequel trilogy is the CGI that makes them look empty and hollow.
-I like Caravan of Courage and Battle for Endor more than any from the main series.
-It was funny when Luke threw the light saber away in The Last Jedi.
-I thought the casino/whatever scene was good in TLJ.
-The only scene I find actually bad in TLJ was when that black dude was trying to sacrifice himself for the greater good and the asian chick came and stopped it because of love or whatever.
-I liked the surprise death of Snoke in TLJ. His appearance in TFA was awful because of his looks and the CGI. But his scene in TLJ was good.
-The worst thing in TFA (or was it Rogue One, can't remember) was when they told that one prison dude has some weird ability and then only used that ability to just get them quickly away from there without any other use of whatever that skill was (can't remember, I only remember there was some kind of a skill or superpower or whatever and it ended up only being the lamest deus ex machina type of thing ever).
 
Dirk Benedict

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Airola said:
Random facts about my thoughts on the movies:

-The Last Jedi was ok just as most of the rest of the series has been.
-None of the Star Wars movies are groundbreakingly great in what comes to my taste in movies.
-I used to play with the Star Wars action figures before I saw any of the movies and my own adventures were more exciting than the movies were.
-The best thing from all of the Star Wars movies is the final fight on Return of the Jedi and what happens afterwards. I absolutely love it. And the part where that one Ewok hits his head with the spike ball thing or whatever he was using. That's great too.
-The only thing that keeps me not wanting to visit any of the prequel trilogy is the CGI that makes them look empty and hollow.
-I like Caravan of Courage and Battle for Endor more than any from the main series.
-It was funny when Luke threw the light saber away in The Last Jedi.
-I thought the casino/whatever scene was good in TLJ.
-The only scene I find actually bad in TLJ was when that black dude was trying to sacrifice himself for the greater good and the asian chick came and stopped it because of love or whatever.
-I liked the surprise death of Snoke in TLJ. His appearance in TFA was awful because of his looks and the CGI. But his scene in TLJ was good.
-The worst thing in TFA (or was it Rogue One, can't remember) was when they told that one prison dude has some weird ability and then only used that ability to just get them quickly away from there without any other use of whatever that skill was (can't remember, I only remember there was some kind of a skill or superpower or whatever and it ended up only being the lamest deus ex machina type of thing ever).
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Been dying to ask you this (maybe I already have?) But, where is your avatar from? It reminds me of one of my favorite retro titles from the 80's; Deadly Towers.
 
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#Phonepunk#

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Captain Zyrain said:
Why is Poe's X-Wing suddenly so good? Why aren't they all that good?
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it felt like a cartoon right from the start. Poe in a single ship defeating this giant enemy craft with zero sense of danger or drama. it's this way throughout. just these characters with plot armor that do things bc character arcs demand it. Hux gives a drama, poetically written monologue threatening he destroy his fleet or whatever, then they send out three TIE fighters. the bad guys send three fighters.

then Poe decides to ignore Leia, he shuts his comms off, and everyone ignores her and does what he says. did he shut their comms off as well? is she not telling them to obey her commands? or is this more idiotic cartoon logic where since it's not onscreen we don't see Leia telling the bombers to get back and ignore this lunatic. what is going on? you literally have to shut your brain off.

worst part was the ending. why are they flying in those ships against the AT-ATs? they don't take them out. do they even have guns? what are they doing? then they decide to stop and Finn keeps going, Poe is like "Don't do it!". wait a minute, why were you all just flying these stupid ships straight at them a minute ago? at some point the walkers just stop shooting and never do again. wow, what a threat.

then there is the cave. they can't get out because nobody bothered looking for an exit. so they have to face Kylo's death laser. then later on they find an exit. it just had a few rocks covering it! oh jeez i guess Luke maybe didn't have to die if someone in this space army had a stick of dynamite or something.

are you serious? they got stuck in a cave? this is the plot to an episode of The Andy Griffith Show. not an epic space opera. LOL no matter how much you try to distract with Luke's Matrix Goku bullshit.
 
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Captain Zyrain

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#Phonepunk# said:
it felt like a cartoon right from the start. Poe in a single ship defeating this giant enemy craft with zero sense of danger or drama. it's this way throughout. just these characters with plot armor that do things bc character arcs demand it. Hux gives a drama, poetically written monologue threatening he destroy his fleet or whatever, then they send out three TIE fighters. the bad guys send three fighters. you literally have to shut your brain off.

worst part was the ending. why are they flying in those ships against the AT-ATs? they don't take them out. do they even have guns? what are they doing? then they decide to stop and Finn keeps going, Poe is like "Don't do it!". wait a minute, why were you all just flying these stupid ships straight at them a minute ago?

then there is the cave. they can't get out because nobody bothered looking for an exit. so they have to face Kylo's death missile. then later on they find an exit. it just had a few rocks covering it!

are you serious? they got stuck in a cave? this is the plot to an episode of The Andy Griffith Show. no matter how much you try to distract with Luke's Matrix Goku bullshit.
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It was very... not well thought out for a lot of the details.

The whole "Level bombers" attack was also pretty stupid... in space. With very little fighter cover.

The OT (and even some of the PT) space fights were cool, they were WWII-esque. Star Wars is space fantasy, not sci-fi, I get that, but at least the space battles made sense within themselves. In ROTJ the Empire and Rebels had TONS of ships and fighters and all this cool shit... and then we graduate to the sequel movies.. and it's like 2 ships chasing each other. Weeee. The First Order at least had a bunch of slow moving Star Destroyers.. but they didn't do shit with them. Just so dumb.

In the book they had a part where they talk about how Poe's Xwing got some super new experimental upgrade or whatever, which let him go fast enough to avoid the Dreadnaught fire.. or whatever. Whatever it was, it at least made that crazy move plausible. The way it plays out in the movie, you'd wonder why every X-wing wasn't taking down these super scary dreadnaughts. It's like podracing!

I don't know. The little fighter skiffs vs the Walkers/Cannon was also poorly done. Like you said, they contradict themselves, and if the damn giant laser is gonna melt the whole cave anyway,. why wouldn't everyone try to suicide themselves at that point? You're gonna die either way.
 
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#Phonepunk# said:
it felt like a cartoon right from the start. Poe in a single ship defeating this giant enemy craft with zero sense of danger or drama. it's this way throughout. just these characters with plot armor that do things bc character arcs demand it. Hux gives a drama, poetically written monologue threatening he destroy his fleet or whatever, then they send out three TIE fighters. the bad guys send three fighters.

then Poe decides to ignore Leia, he shuts his comms off, and everyone ignores her and does what he says. did he shut their comms off as well? is she not telling them to obey her commands? or is this more idiotic cartoon logic where since it's not onscreen we don't see Leia telling the bombers to get back and ignore this lunatic. what is going on? you literally have to shut your brain off.

worst part was the ending. why are they flying in those ships against the AT-ATs? they don't take them out. do they even have guns? what are they doing? then they decide to stop and Finn keeps going, Poe is like "Don't do it!". wait a minute, why were you all just flying these stupid ships straight at them a minute ago? at some point the walkers just stop shooting and never do again. wow, what a threat.

then there is the cave. they can't get out because nobody bothered looking for an exit. so they have to face Kylo's death laser. then later on they find an exit. it just had a few rocks covering it! oh jeez i guess Luke maybe didn't have to die if someone in this space army had a stick of dynamite or something.

are you serious? they got stuck in a cave? this is the plot to an episode of The Andy Griffith Show. not an epic space opera. LOL no matter how much you try to distract with Luke's Matrix Goku bullshit.
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They don't worry about Poe in his ship because he can't damage their ship, but it turns out he's just going for their guns to make an assault possible. It was meant to show the arrogance of the First Order, which they are. The bad guys also send more than three TIE fighters... I feel like if people are going to be pedantic they should be accurate, otherwise what's the point of pedantry?

She disagreed with what he was doing but he went ahead with it anyways, instead of creating chaos by trying to stop the attack she instead reprimands Poe in private. It actually is a classic sort of scene oft seen in films where the superior takes the underling aside and says something like "don't contradict me in front of the men" or some crap. But they don't do it right there because then the divide becomes clear and the commander loses power as power is partially based on perception.

Those ships were all they had actually and they weren't going for the AT-ATs they were going for the Death Star cannon. You're talking like the scene had no logical progression, they were losing too many fighters to what was becoming a suicide mission so Poe, having learned his lesson from the opening of the film, orders a retreat as losing all their fighters isn't more important than slowing down the First Order a bit. The walkers stop shooting at the ships that retreat out of attack range, sure.

"A few rocks" was actually a massive rock slide only removed via Rey's force abilities, a stick of dynamite wouldn't have done much and may have even made it worse considering it looks like a cave in. They only find it because they follow the weird fox things which are escaping. They did look for alternate exits but they didn't know the blueprints especially well. Also Luke was going to do what he did regardless of their escape, he completed his arc and was at peace with the Force. Obi Wan ALSO didn't have to die you might recall.

Epic space opera having an abandoned military base in a cave system to hide from an oppressive space regime seems just fine honestly, not sure what's Andy Griffith about it but I'm not 70 years old either.
 
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