You can probably imagine my chuckle upon seeing these 20+ pages were indeed made today already.
Yeah damn. Like what does the skin colour of the character matter here...
You can probably imagine my chuckle upon seeing these 20+ pages were indeed made today already.
Samus is an established person.
I'd be ok with a black character who does stuff like Samus.
Yes over two thousand hours within the series proper, two smash bros appearances, various manga appearances, various action figures, various cameos in other games, and all time people have collectively had to get to know the Samus under the mask, but let's burn all that to the ground, let's arbitrary rebrand Samus as black and spend tons of money trying to erase the previous Samus, all to appease Neogaf, because that's what Nintendo wants to do is take a series that already doesn't sell well and make what little brand awareness it has even more confusing, as opposed to just making a new character to star alongside Samus.
That's a lot of words for "black people don't sell."
haha what the hell
this thread is supremely silly
But what does he mean by "black" here?
But what does he mean by "black" here?
the universally accepted definition by everyone on earth, of course
try and keep up
I dunno.
Earlier neogaf told me they were just tanned Japanese people, what am I supposed to believe?
That was a terrible thread
Little Mons†er;237481872 said:But it'd be a reboot of the franchise
So Samus would be re-established
Just make a new character or spin off in that universe. Stop changing characters that have already been established . Create new ones.
haha what the hell
this thread is supremely silly
"Samus" Is her actual name, it's not a alter ego like "Spider-Man" so the equivalent to this would be a character in the future of the series being black and wearing the Varia Suit, but not being Samus.
Marvel created a Black/Hispanic Spider-Man and he's even better than the original. Bring on Black Samus!
You're trying to equate whitewashing with expanding diversity in games?It would be the same as changing Blade (Wesley Snipes) into a white person.
Even if it was a reboot.
It would not go over well at all.
I'd rather have a brand new character who is a friend of Samus.
Make her about 19 years old and less jaded than Samus.
Just don't replace Samus.
I'm not really sure where you're going with that false equivalency, but why does her race changing matter when her out of suit design changes with nearly every game she's in? She has hardly has an established visual identity outside of the suit so it shouldn't matter.Like, out of curiosity, if the race of the main 30 year old protagonist has no effect on the gameplay, and thus doesn't matter, why does 4K resolution matter on any game anywhere?
I'm not saying anyone in this thread particularly is for or is against anything, but I find the notion that things like the design of the main character of a series not mattering, because it doesn't effect the gameplay, just silly. I mean you could replace Crash Bandicoot with a crate, and have the gameplay be exactly the same, but it wouldn't really be "Crash Bandicoot" because the experience is no longer the same at all.
They could very easily have a black link, but they don't have the balls to do it.I wouldn't mind. It'd be preferable if Nintendo made a brand new IP with a black main character, but it's not like her whiteness is what makes Samus interesting as a character. Though why not change a character who doesn't spend 95%+ of her screen time inside a bulky suit first? Playing as a black Link or Zelda would be rather cool.
She's been a blonde, white, female since her conception. How is that not an established design? Seriously, unless you actually want to argue that different tones in art contribute to the character "changing" but that'd just be silly. Also, yeah, the Varia Suit sometimes having spikes on the knees and sometimes not is hardly as massive of a change as you're trying to make it out to be.You're trying to equate whitewashing with expanding diversity in games?
I'm not really sure where you're going with that false equivalency, but why does her race changing matter when her out of suit design changes with nearly every game she's in? She has hardly has an established visual identity outside of the suit so it shouldn't matter.
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Oh and this is just hypocritical. If this thread has taught me anything it's that "if it's a reboot, it doesn't matter what they do" (ignoring all the video game reboots that didn't change the established character) and yet this hypothetical is "white-washing" while changing Samus to black or Link to a girl is "diversity." Since when did diversity in gaming become a dogma, where it needs to happen no matter the cost? Seriously, and since no one's provided a answer as to why a new separate character can't work just as well I'll ask again; why does "diversity" always have to come at the cost of something? Why can't "diversity" in games be through a diverse cast that includes the original MC with its original race?You're trying to equate whitewashing with expanding diversity in games?
Is there any argument for why retconning Samus as black would be preferable to introducing a new black lady who takes over the armour?
I want samus to remain white, black peach or mario is good though.
Is there any reason once we moved past the "bit" eras Samus facial look has changed significantly over the years?
Whether or not this move would be a retcon is the less important question. It's more important to clarify why you think it drastically changes a character to modify a skin tone as well as facial features.
But clearly this is somehow a huge change:
Super Metroid:
Other: M:
Is there lore reason why Samus has to be white and can't be any other skin colour?I don't understand why we would change any character for any reason. Just make a new one.
Is there lore reason why Samus has to be white and can't be any other skin colour?
I've never played a Metroid game other than Prime so I got no idea lol
Is there lore reason why Samus has to be white and can't be any other skin colour?
I've never played a Metroid game other than Prime so I got no idea lol
Is there lore reason why Samus has to be white and can't be any other skin colour?
I've never played a Metroid game other than Prime so I got no idea lol
Explain to me why this mentality is wrong. I mean I'd be defending her all the same if she was originally made as black, but she wasn't, she's white and has been white since day one. Now, you could argue that there's no lore reason for Samus to be white, but I could just as well argue that there's no reason for Anthony in Other: M to be Black, or for Crash Bandicoot to be orange.Has nothing to do with lore, or her background...of which she really has none. She's an automaton, a glorified android that must somehow maintain her "ethnicity" to Metroid traditionalists. The ground argument of this 1,000-reply thread can be summarized to one point: if she ain't White, it ain't right.
A quick google search tells me that she was born 100% human, and was later infused with Chozo DNA, meaning that since we haven't seen any Chozo like look to her externally, that she should actually look as human as she does. :ILore-wise, Samus shouldn't look as human as she does. Our lady is part bird (Chozo).
No thanks, Anthony is too forgettable.Trade ya.
Like I said, I don't know movies. Still I find it a bit hypocritical to say that because there's no lore reason that explicably states that she must be white that it's suddenly ok to change her. I don't even see how it being a potential reboot somehow makes it any better, as a reboot is still the same franchise and it being Nintendo would be used to sell or market past Metroid games, like the ones on the Virtual Console, much in the same way the Tomb Raider reboot probably introduced people to old Tomb Raider games. Thus why change her race and have that massive divide in designs between the reboot and past games that Nintendo would still be trying to make money off of, when you could do like plenty of other video game reboots and keep the main character the same?Blade's bi-racial.
Explain to me why this mentality is wrong. I mean I'd be defending her all the same if she was originally made as black, but she wasn't, she's white and has been white since day one. Now, you could argue that there's no lore reason for Samus to be white, but I could just as well argue that there's no reason for Anthony in Other: M to be Black, or for Crash Bandicoot to be orange.
Is there a lore reason as to why Slade has to be black. I've never watched a Blade movie, but I'm just curious.
EDIT: lol I meant Blade, I really don't know movies.
Like in Fusion, maybe. She's wearing sensible clothing otherwise, up until Zero Mission.
That said, wearing underwear or booty shorts is a lot less silly than wearing a skintight catsuit.
Explain to me why this mentality is wrong. I mean I'd be defending her all the same if she was originally made as black, but she wasn't, she's white and has been white since day one. Now, you could argue that there's no lore reason for Samus to be white, but I could just as well argue that there's no reason for Anthony in Other: M to be Black, or for Crash Bandicoot to be orange.
Because this is video games, an amalgamation of ART and tech. Caricatures like Samus Aran and Pac-Man with no human personality or identifiable ethnic backdrop, who operate as mere avatars, can be subjected to various artistic interpretations without closet racists and perservists condemning the notion and immediately branding these characters as something more in the guise of "30 years she looked this way bla bla bla" simply to validate their conservative positions.
But this is a pointless debate as Nintendo will never entertain the notion, but at least they have valid excuses as to why they'd be vehemently against the idea, which is more than I can say for some of the Metroid traditionlists in this thread. The ultimate merit of this discussion, however, is that it reveals to me there's a long way to go before we can be rid of the closet racists that still plague the VG community.
A quick google search tells me that she was born 100% human, and was later infused with Chozo DNA, meaning that since we haven't seen any Chozo like look to her externally, that she should actually look as human as she does. :I