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[Jon Neu]

It is both a $399 device rivaling PS5

Nobody with a shred of a brain is saying that, but you somehow use it to attack the console already.

It's going to be the entry level console to play next gen games at less resolution and less bells & whistles. It's not going to compete graphically with the PS5, there's the Series X to do that.

Regarding playing current gen games at 4K. I'm sure it's doable with the higher bandwith memory and the SSD of the Series S, but even if it's not, I doub't that's a problem for the people who will buy the machine in the first place.

There's a lot of people that don't care about resolution. But if you show them pretty graphics, they can see and want that.

 

[MadViking]

If it exists, it should be able to run current generation games similar to Xbox One X, i.e. 1440p-4K. But I doubt it will, I don't think the developers will bother optimize their old games again. So most likely it will run them in Xbox One S mode.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Yep. Basically Series S is Xbox fan's last hope, so all the unrealistic erxpectations of performance, price and sales targets are forced upon it. There is no way Series S could actually do all that, not when Xbox delayed the reveal this long. If they really think they have a hit on their hands in terms of price, it would be revealed by now.

While I don't think the Series S will come in at some mind blowing figure like $299, the reason it hasn't been revelled or priced yet is because they want to be able to come out straight after the PS5 price to undercut them and steal the spotlight.

 

[fermcr]

There are still a few consoles missing between Xbox Series S and Xbox Series X. The complete set should be like this:

Xbox Series S
Xbox Series T
Xbox Series U
Xbox Series V
Xbox Series W
Xbox Series X

... the later on, there'll be a 8k version...

Xbox Series Z

 

[Marlenus]

I did , and i ask you to use yours because even if the GPU/CPU is more powerful compared to the One X
the XSS have less VRAM and maybe even less bandwidth since its targeting 1440p as max resolution so
it's ether it will run games like the One S or the One X unless MS have some magic software that allow it
to run current gen games at 1080/1440p without a patch

Ms have said they reduced the memory overhead for the OS while running a game. If they did that having less ram does not instantly mean it will use less for games if the background overheads have been reduced sufficiently.

 

[SmurfMustard]

Why are people so scared of the possibility of a Series S? People acting like they develop games in their free time and know what devs can and can't do and will and won't do. Why don't you just wait for it to even be announced. I'm sure if the specs and the possible price that go around, are right, the Series S will be a great entryway into NextGen.

 

[The Hamburglar]

4tf isn't enough for 1440p and next gen games. Lockhart is a 1080p machine.

this pos will hold next gen back mark my words.

thanks Phil.

 

[cireza]

Maybe wait until the console is officially announced ?

 

[Monkeygourmet]

Anyone talking about "scaling" needs to go back and play some titles on an original Xbone or S.

I borrowed one a while back and it was shocking how bad frame rates were, screen tearing and resolution were.

Even the X and Pro struggle in this respect mainly due to lazy development and devs releasing unfinished games which they patch "later" (I.e never).

Anyone thinking that suddenly devs will optimise for a weaker machine are living in a fantasy land.

 

[cireza]

Series S is currently all things to all people. It is both a $399 device rivaling PS5, to a $199 device that barely run games. It is both an all digital machine that just run gamepass and something that is able to access all old Xbox games.

Why is that? Because currently it is in a sealed box with its quantum phase unbroken. It is everything an Xbox fan desires, no matter what that desire was. That's what "Hope" does to people.

Just as Halo Infinite, until last month, was the shining beacon of software hope for Xbox, until it isn't any more. Being revealed sucks fiction away, leaving only cold hard reality. There is no way Series S reveal wouldn't cause at least half of the Xbox fandom to get mad. They can't all get what they want.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Why are people so scared of the possibility of a Series S? People acting like they develop games in their free time and know what devs can and can't do and will and won't do. Why don't you just wait for it to even be announced. I'm sure if the specs and the possible price that go around, are right, the Series S will be a great entryway into NextGen.

The entryway into next gen, is the previous gen. Anyone who doesn't yet own a current gen machine isn't interested in getting next gen. I doubt Series S would not convince anyone to buy an Xbox if they don't already own a 1S.

 

[SmurfMustard]

Anyone who doesn't yet own a current gen machine isn't interested in getting next gen.

Do you have anything to back that up? Because that would mean, if I understood you correctly, that there wouldn't be anymore growth to the market. I think both Sony and MS expect the market to grow.

 

[RoadHazard]

I seems that the Series S will be capable of 1440P at the highest, but maybe things will change. That's why I think it is MORONIC for Microsoft to discontinue the XBOX One X(4K/HDR), keep the considerably weaker ONE S around, yet bring the Series S out. Just drop the price XBOX One X to around $199-299 and call it a day.

The XSX will be your more expensive next generation powerhouse and the XBOne X will be the entry level console that's still quite capable. There will even be less consoles for developers to worry about.

No, the XSS will be the quite capable (just not 4K capable) entry level console. The XB1X is previous gen, it lacks the CPU and storage speed next gen games will need.

(The XB1S should also be killed off.)

 

[JustP_Gaming]

All I see is unfounded fear and speculation in here. Many of you need to destress.

 

[Ritsumei2020]

So for example what do you guys expect Halo Infinite to be like on the XOX?

4K30?

1080/60?

None of the above?

 

[M1chl]

So for example what do you guys expect Halo Infinite to be like on the XOX?

4K30?

1080/60?

None of the above?

By the looks of it, it could probably handle 4K dynamic/60FPS, if they improve everything, then it's going to be 1080p and 720p on X1S...

 

[kikonawa]

Still dont see it eventually launching toegether with series x. If it all

 

[tkscz]

But it have less vram compared to the one x

GDDR6 >>>>> GDDR5 to the point where being 2GBs off won't matter much. It's one of the reasons why the XSX only having 16GBs of GDDR6 is still a significant boost over XBX 12GBs of GDDR5. The %50 increase in speed and bandwidth makes it so not as much RAM is needed to store data.

 

[eastwood333]

Still dont see it eventually launching toegether with series x. If it all

Why? Having an entry, lower budget model along with a premium model at 500-600 in a global recession is a very smart move. There is too much smoke for XSS to not exist and released. It's already showing up on retail controller boxes and just about all the respected insiders say it's a thing. Should be revealed at the next MS event along with price.

 

[ZywyPL]

I think the Series S simply won't have a 4K output option in the display settings and will be a FullHD console no matter what. As some already mentioned, the processing power might be there, but the RAM difference would make it impossible for some, if not most of the games to run in 4K.

 

[recursive]

You know that memory pool is shared RAM + VRAM. With XSS you need way less VRAM, so until the memory pool is enough to load data to processing, they are fine, because XSS at 1080p or 1440p is going to require less VRAM by default.

I also think that 1440p is nonsense, because normal TVs does not have this resolution, so it will be 1080p box...

Actually quite a few TVs support 1440p. TCL and Samsung being just a couple. And my TVs are normal too .

 

[FZW]

And i am not talking about the next gen games but this gen .. can the XSS run current gen games at 4k resolution like
the One X or it will be 720p/900p mechine just like the One S ?

The Series S, based on the leaks is more powerful than a One X.

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

series s - targeting 1080p. might downsample from 1440p to 1080p. no 4K at all. aimed at people who don't want a 4K TV.
series x - targeting 4k. might upscale from 1800p to 4K in some games. can downsample to 1440/1080p.

The Series S, based on the leaks is more powerful than a One X.

but...but...it's only 4TF!!

/s

 

[Hendrick's]

There is a good chance (and a rumor) that the Series S will run the One S version of games not the One X version.

That doesn't make sense. It is going to run the Series S version of the game.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Nobody with a shred of a brain is saying that, but you somehow use it to attack the console already.

It's going to be the entry level console to play next gen games at less resolution and less bells & whistles. It's not going to compete graphically with the PS5, there's the Series X to do that.

Regarding playing current gen games at 4K. I'm sure it's doable with the higher bandwith memory and the SSD of the Series S, but even if it's not, I doub't that's a problem for the people who will buy the machine in the first place.

There's a lot of people that don't care about resolution. But if you show them pretty graphics, they can see and want that.

You think i am attacking the console? I am merely stating it can't be everything at the same time. And you might think it obvious what Series S is, but until it is revealed you are guessing like the rest of us. Just as those who claim Halo infinite would be the game that finally wins Xbox the software war next gen.

 

[Three]

That doesn't make sense. It is going to run the Series S version of the game.

For xbox one games. Not new games. Makes perfect sense.

OP even specifically mentions 'current gen games'

 

[EverydayBeast]

Consoles next gen will be unique no one wants to be confused all they want to do is give gamers options like cars or phones that's it

 

[Jon Neu]

You think i am attacking the console? I am merely stating it can't be everything at the same time.

You're building a strawman and then use it to attack both the console and the fandom.

Nobody believes the console is going to compete with the PS5. It's a weaker console meant to run Next Gen games at lower resolutions/quality. That's the literal definition of what the console is.

 

[diffusionx]

the One X was designed to do what the Xbox One could do at 1080p, at 4K. It actually is a little bit beyond that, but that's what it was designed for. And it's been there for the most part. So, if the Series S actually exists, my guess is that it is designed to do everything the Series X does, but at a lower resolution. Maybe 1440p.

 

[Hendrick's]

For xbox one games. Not new games. Makes perfect sense.

OP even specifically mentions 'current gen games'

Oh okay, for backwards compatibility it may be a mixed bag, but I highly doubt they just run it in One S mode and call it a day. MS have done wonders with BC for the current gen and I expect them to continue the trend.

 

[supernova8]

And i am not talking about the next gen games but this gen .. can the XSS run current gen games at 4k resolution like
the One X or it will be 720p/900p mechine just like the One S ?

If you consider that a gaming PC with specs like a ryzen 3600 and radeon 5600xt (RDNA 1 - 7tf) can run Forza Horizon 4 at 1440p on ultra settings at about 100fps, you might not be crazy to think a similarly powered zen-based console with an RDNA2 GPU (5600XT is RDNA1) would run it the same or better considering they can really tweak it for the system's exact settings.

If you're suggesting they turn up all the settings to max and then do it at 4K then maybe not, but 4K at the current gen detail setting equivalent (ie low to medium on PC), you might just scrape 4K60 in some games and be fine with 1440p60 in a lot of other titles.

Technically the XSS (assuming it exists) will be able to run anything at 4K but it depends on your expectations for visual fidelity and framerate.

 

[SportsFan581]

There is a good chance (and a rumor) that the Series S will run the One S version of games not the One X version.

This seems logical, you would be buying the upgrade for the 1S version.

With that said, XSS will probably have a nice bandwidth advantage over the 1X and that does change things a bit. Also, just because 1X had 9GB for games doesn't mean they all used it. Many of the 1X enhanced games don't incorporate high-quality texture packs, instead focusing on resolution/framerate/filter improvements.

 

[MarkMe2525]

And i am not talking about the next gen games but this gen .. can the XSS run current gen games at 4k resolution like
the One X or it will be 720p/900p mechine just like the One S ?

It isn't a thing yet so you're asking people to assume and guess.

 

[AgentP]

But a much faster SSD it can use as a pagefile if need be.

So it will just use that 5GB/s to compensate for the lack of 320GB/s memory? I don't think you understand how that works.

 

[Black_Stride]

So it will just use that 5GB/s to compensate for the lack of 320GB/s memory? I don't think you understand how that works.

How a pagefile works?
Space on the SSD that holds RAM data that isnt needed right now for swapping in and out of RAM as needed.

Swap whats needed fast enough to make up the difference.
The 1X streams in megabytes and so has to load up RAM with stuff in order to attempt to eliminate streaming issues.
No one scene on 1X actually needs all that RAM.

 

[CobraXT]

hmmmmm

 

[VAVA Mk2]

Series S targets 1440p natively but will upscale to 4k. Series X is native 4K.

 

[sendit]

Series S targets 1440p natively but will upscale to 4k. Series X is native 4K.

Halo Infinite was dynamic 4K on the Series X. Do you think that situation is going to improve when they add ray tracing?

Resolution and frame rate will tank. Now imagine this game running on the less capable Series S.

 

[SportsFan581]

I doubt the upscaling being referenced there is referring to game engine scaling or changes to the render resolution. More just saying that the Xbox will upscale the game to 4k natively vs. having your TV do it. There were a lot of articles released around the launch of 1S that stated that the Xbox did a better/more convincing job of the upscale in comparison to the TV. With less latency too.

Stated concisely, when connected to a 4k TV 1S sends a 4K single to the TV at all times, even though the render resolution is lower. I assume the XSS does the same.

 

[BobbyColtrane]

My Xbox One X decided to start overheating over the weekend, even though it is sitting out in the open fml.

I used it for gaming and it did a lot of lifting as a 4K Bluray player.

I hadn't planned on buying the next gen systems, going with PC/Switch, but now I'm wondering if I should get a Series X. I wouldn't mind the performance of the Series S, but I need a bluray player.

Opinions?

 

[gamer82]

buy a series s and a cheap 4k player probably still come under price of the x if you shop around for the player

 

[Durask]

I still don't understand why they didn't go the Apple/Sony route and name them Xbox One, Xbox Two, etc.
So this gen we could have had Xbox Two Pro and Xbox Two, etc.

Two many Xs.

 

[VAVA Mk2]

Halo Infinite was dynamic 4K on the Series X. Do you think that situation is going to improve when they add ray tracing?

Resolution and frame rate will tank. Now imagine this game running on the less capable Series S.

I'm just stating what MS is marketing both towards.