The Silver
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My only reaction to this is the MJ laughing gif that I'm too lazy to google, wow OP, wow.
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People don't understand that this is a Japenese game made for the western audience, where the dialogue was written in Japanese first. People don't understand that this is when 100% voice-acted dialogues were considered impossible. People don't understand that this is a PS1 hardware with only one analog stick. People don't understand that this game is the reason your Blacklist and Arkham exists. People don't understand that a lot of things we take from granted right now was not possible back then and yet Kojima made it happen and showed the world you can make a really good narrative game with engaging characters and missions and gameplay and espionage and double crossing and a Hind D and codecs and mind blowing soundtrack and fantastic boss fights and villians and cutscenes and supporting characters. People don't understand that MGS was doing so many things that developers only HOPE they could do on a PS1 hardware.
People don't understand how to appreciate history.
Gnome Scat
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MGS3 or 5 might be more to your liking.
NinjamicWZ
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Clearly, everyone liked MGS for no reason.
Chromium.Wings
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I am pretty unknowledgeable of Twin Snakes, but what I think I remember is that it embellishes on parts that made it seem dumb (I mean, Metal Gear is already super ridiculous, but still), and introduces mechanics from MGS2 while still keeping the core gameplay and design of MGS1. Most notably is the tranquilizer gun, which I think I remember reading just made Snake OP.
I've also heard that the opinion of Twin Snakes becomes better if you treat it as Raiden playing through a VR simulation of the events of MGS1, where Snake's legendary mission is embellished.
breakfuss
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Enough said. Shameful thread.
you think this is the worst thread gaming side has ever seen?
In the end Big Boss > Solid Snake. Metal Gear Solid 1, 2 and 4 never managed to capture my interest at all, but MGS3 is one of my favorite games of all times, Peace Walker was good, Ground Zeroes was a really good demo and MGS V is shaping up to be another one of my most favorite games.
Petrae
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Don't bother with the rest of the series. Many of your gripes won't be resolved in the sequels and each successive game is a gateway to its sequel. There won't be a light bulb moment that makes you "get it".
The MGS games are the only ones in the stealth genre that I kind of enjoyed, but it was more for the crazy-ass story & characters than for the stealth stuff (which I really don't enjoy).
The MGS games are the only ones in the stealth genre that I kind of enjoyed, but it was more for the crazy-ass story & characters than for the stealth stuff (which I really don't enjoy).
FutureZombie
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Yes.
Question: Is there more stealth in the rest of the games? I wanted to play a stealth series, but really I was forced into shooting almost everyone after the half way point. A perfect example of this are the elevator sequences.
Fragamemnon
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I hate the series too OP. The hivemind will excoriate you in this thread, but know you're not alone.
super-famicom
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So, you let Meryl die...
Screaming Meat
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That was kind of the point. He's not an 80s uber-action hero, he's a subversion of them.
Vigilant Walrus
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I knew this would happen. People who have no exposure to it, goes back and plays a game from 1998, and there is just no way, that the thematic integrity and emotional impact you felt back then will resonate with you the same way.
When this game came out nobody had seen anything like it. People collectively lost their shit. the graphics where amazing, the story was fascinating. the entire game was spell binding and intense.
You going back to an old ass game and judging it by modern standards. You can't.
MGS1, 2, 3 and 4 all need proper remakes. Even 4 is 8 years old and need AI/UI/Combat/Camera/Control upgrades. But to give them the MGS5 treatment is a complete series rework.
But they could sell each of them for 60 dollars. 240 dollars is a lot of money if Konami got on this for real.
When this game came out nobody had seen anything like it. People collectively lost their shit. the graphics where amazing, the story was fascinating. the entire game was spell binding and intense.
You going back to an old ass game and judging it by modern standards. You can't.
MGS1, 2, 3 and 4 all need proper remakes. Even 4 is 8 years old and need AI/UI/Combat/Camera/Control upgrades. But to give them the MGS5 treatment is a complete series rework.
But they could sell each of them for 60 dollars. 240 dollars is a lot of money if Konami got on this for real.
Yea, but.....
Quote by OP: "The dialogue felt like it was written by a 15 year old virgin in an honors English class."
packy34
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Oh man... I just....
threelights
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The first time I played MGS1 the PS3 was already out, and I still consider MGS to be one of the best game series out there, and a lot of it was due to that game.
The first game is one of the PS1 games that have aged the best actually.
Cyborg
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Shinobi is always right!
Stop. Or you will be just as dumb.
I marathoned the series having never played it back in 2011 starting with Metal Gear Solid 1.
MGS1 is fucking fantastic even over a decade later, one of the finest gaming experiences I ever had, the best in the series. Yes, I think it is better than MGS3 which is also an incredible experience.
If you hated MGS1 then I don't know what to tell you. I absolutely hate stealth games so thus dislike MGS's gameplay, but everything else in the game is so good it overpowers it. Like I said, the games are experiences, and they are incredible ones.
If you had a bad time with MGS1, move on, there's no hope for this series for you as you already played the greatest in the franchise.
MGS1 is fucking fantastic even over a decade later, one of the finest gaming experiences I ever had, the best in the series. Yes, I think it is better than MGS3 which is also an incredible experience.
If you hated MGS1 then I don't know what to tell you. I absolutely hate stealth games so thus dislike MGS's gameplay, but everything else in the game is so good it overpowers it. Like I said, the games are experiences, and they are incredible ones.
If you had a bad time with MGS1, move on, there's no hope for this series for you as you already played the greatest in the franchise.
RevenantKioku
PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS oh god i am drowning in them
Keep playing! MGS2 is one of the greatest experiences ever and then MGS3 will shatter you into a shell of a human, wondering why video games are even allowed to be made.
Just because it's old doesn't inherently inhibit a response from you. Needless to say, I agree he shouldn't be judging it on modern standards, because if you do, it becomes a lot harder to enjoy it.
And nah, 3/4 don't need remakes. 1/2 I would argue are fine as is, but that's a diff argument. But yeah, 3 especially, it's pretty perfect as it is, weird controls and all.
FutureZombie
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That reminds me of another two complaints I had.
1. The torture scene was awful. Being forced to press a button super fast is stupid.
2. The backtracking. Ugh, it was awful. Please, someone try to defend the backtracking in this game.
matrixman92
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mgs3 is amazing..I have never met anyone that doesnt like it. Play it
Nowhere Man
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I think it was the best game in the series and I really liked it when it came out, one of my favorite games on the PSX... that said, I don't think you are off base completely. Storytelling in these games is atrocious, characters are unique and have interesting abilities but are batshit insane at the same time and everything is woven into an illuminati story about a serious topic, war, mixed with occasional slapstick and tits. It's a very strange mixture, I always thought this must seem insane to anyone who comes in contact with it unprepared for the very first time.
I'm not trying to shit on the series by the way, there are many fans of this formular but on the surface, this is what the series is, at least to me.
I'm not trying to shit on the series by the way, there are many fans of this formular but on the surface, this is what the series is, at least to me.
FutureZombie
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Thank you!
I don't even understand how you complain about this much voice work when voice acting was still a back of the box listed feature. It's certainly the first game I played that tried to make me feel bad about killing the enemy. I can see how the gameplay could seem dated (even at release) i was pretty much a 3D remake of MG2.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Backtracking was BIG in 3D games. There's a limited memory you can shove in a game. You will be required to find Key A to access Room A. It's essential to storytelling in a video game. It takes NOTHING from the experience in MGS. Etc etc etc.
MGS backtracking in misicule!!
HOW OLD ARE YOU?!!!
texhnolyze
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Burn!
Tbh, It's been a while since I played MGS back in PSX era. Same story for the 2nd game. I haven't replay the games since then so I can't really comment on both.
MGS3 was awesome though, OP should really try it at least.
Are people on the first page just going to one-liner shit-post their way through here, or what?
You bring up valid points about the controls and combat, but your comments about dialogue and story points are disagreeable beyond repair. The betrayals were easily understood and the characters were meaningful despite just being codec conversations.
Regardless, you should play MGS3. It's the best in the series and is completely playable today (despite the controls still having quirks from being analog-sensitive and 10 years old).
You bring up valid points about the controls and combat, but your comments about dialogue and story points are disagreeable beyond repair. The betrayals were easily understood and the characters were meaningful despite just being codec conversations.
Regardless, you should play MGS3. It's the best in the series and is completely playable today (despite the controls still having quirks from being analog-sensitive and 10 years old).
packy34
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There are only 2 or 3 sections that require any sort of backtracking, and at least one of them (getting the PSG1) can be skipped if you explore/know about it beforehand.
I 100% disagree with you...
BUT
I really liked reading this. Please play MGS2 and do a write up for that one.
PensivePen
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I've played the game this year, it's fine. The controls are not as refined as later games in the series but they're perfectly functional for most of the situations it puts you in. It does suffer some serious faults such as egregious backtracking in some areas.
In regards to your second paragraph Otacon is a pretty pathetic character all around. He's consistently portrayed throughout the game as a sheltered person, one who was naive enough to believe that his weapons research wasn't actually going to be made to use, y'know, weapons. He self identifies as an 'otaku' and wets himself in the first scene he's seen in. It's not unreasonable to think he'd develop an immediate emotional attachment to anyone who treated him nicely.
There are games with better writing than MGS1 today, including games within its own series, but at the time it was released voice acting, script, cutscene production and overall presentation were miles ahead of anything else in the space. Frankly to call it the worst game you've ever played is probably either extreme hyperbole for the purpose of getting attention, or shows an incredibly limited range of games you've played. I'm not even saying you have to like the game, but you're just being sensational.
What a troll post.
If you hated it this much, you wouldn't have taken the time to beat it. And then posted about how you completed a game you hate so much, with a click-bait title no less.
The fact of the matter is you just wanted to get a rise out of people, in which case you've succeeded without fail.
My bias aside, a lot of the specifics you mentioned aren't untrue, but they did nothing to take away my enjoyment of the game.
If I'm playing devil's advocate, I'm guessing you are of the younger generation and weren't playing MGS when it first came out. In that respect, I suppose I can see how the clunkiness of the game compared to modern games could turn you off.
With that said, if you didn't think the game was stealthy enough, you were playing it wrong or on too easy a difficulty. If you didn't like the melodramatic dialog and story, that's just part of Kojima's charm. If you thought the controls clunky, well... you're right, but... "get gud?".
I hope you got what you wanted out of creating this thread in the manner you did.
If you hated it this much, you wouldn't have taken the time to beat it. And then posted about how you completed a game you hate so much, with a click-bait title no less.
The fact of the matter is you just wanted to get a rise out of people, in which case you've succeeded without fail.
My bias aside, a lot of the specifics you mentioned aren't untrue, but they did nothing to take away my enjoyment of the game.
If I'm playing devil's advocate, I'm guessing you are of the younger generation and weren't playing MGS when it first came out. In that respect, I suppose I can see how the clunkiness of the game compared to modern games could turn you off.
With that said, if you didn't think the game was stealthy enough, you were playing it wrong or on too easy a difficulty. If you didn't like the melodramatic dialog and story, that's just part of Kojima's charm. If you thought the controls clunky, well... you're right, but... "get gud?".
I hope you got what you wanted out of creating this thread in the manner you did.
Lightning Count
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Here's the view I take on it.
It has a lot of potential that's ruined by a terrible control system.
It has a lot of potential that's ruined by a terrible control system.
MGS2 is WAY worse iirc. If he plays the series in order he'll be fine.
WrenchNinja
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Backtracking was common design, often for practical memory reasons. This was hardly the worst example of it. Most games weren't linear progressions and required backtracking.
When did you start gaming? Serious question.
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